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Bill Introduced to End Too-Big-To-Fail - Wall Street Freaks Out

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Floridatexan
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Sal

Sal

Minds are changing on Too Big to Fail. A month ago, it was just something in the air. Now, it looks like we're headed for a real legislative confrontation. And man, is the finance sector freaking.

Last week, on April 24th, Democratic Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio and Louisiana Republican David Vitter introduced legislation called the "Terminating Bailouts for Taxpayer Fairness Act of 2013 Act," or the "Brown-Vitter TBTF Act" for short. The bill is a gun aimed directly at the head of the Too-Big-To-Fail beast.

During the Dodd-Frank negotiations a few years ago, Brown teamed up with Delaware Democrat Ted Kaufman to introduce an amendment that would have physically capped the size of the biggest banks. The amendment was bold and righteous but was slaughtered on the floor by a 61-33 margin, undermined by leaders of both parties – 27 Democrats voted against it.

Brown-Vitter offers a different and, in a way, more elegant solution to the problem than Brown-Kaufman. Rather than impose size limits, it simply insists that banks with over $500 billion in assets maintain higher capital reserves than are currently required. Companies like J.P. Morgan Chase, Wells Fargo, Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup and Bank of America will have to keep capital reserves of about 15 percent, about twice the current amount.

The bill only has such tough requirements for just those few megabanks, which sounds unfair, except that the aim of the bill, precisely, is to level the playing field. Right now, the biggest U.S. banks enjoy a massive inherent market advantage in that they're able to borrow money far more cheaply than other banks, because everybody on earth knows the government will never let them fail and will always bail them out in a pinch, making their debt essentially U.S.-government guaranteed. Studies have shown that these banks borrow money at about 0.8 percent more cheaply than other banks, and that this implicit government subsidy is worth about $83 billion a year just to the top 10 banks in America. This bill would essentially wipe out that hidden subsidy and make the banks bailout-proof.

As soon as Brown-Vitter was introduced, a very interesting thing happened. The Independent Community Bankers of America, or ICBA, issued a press release boosting the bill. "ICBA strongly supports this legislation," the release read, "and urges all community banks to join the association in advocating passage of legislation to end too-big-to-fail."

This was a big thing. It was the first time since the crisis that a prominent financial industry group opposed the will of the TBTF banks. I remember covering Dodd-Frank and being told by a number of members in the House and the Senate that the sentiment of many community bankers was for breaking up or at least curtailing the power of companies like Chase and Bank of America, but that the community banking lobby was not yet prepared to take that step.

But now, after the London Whale, the LIBOR scandal, the outrageous HSBC settlement and nearly five years of rapacious market-dominating behavior by these state-backed banks, the community banks have finally split off from TBTF.

This is another in a series of defections on this issue that in the past year has included many Republican politicians, numerous important financial regulators (even the New York Fed has taken a semi-stand against TBTF) and, hilariously, the creator of Too-Big-To-Fail himself, former Citigroup CEO and legendary lower-Manhattan raging asshole Sandy Weill. Weill was the man for whom the Glass-Steagall Act was repealed back in the nineties, so that his already-completed Citigroup merger could be legalized. But even he came out last year and said we have to break up the banks.

Naturally, there was going to be a response to Brown-Vitter from Wall Street. And we got it last week, shockingly not from one of the banks or a lobbying firm connected to the banks, but from the Standard and Poor's ratings agency – supposedly a strict, humorlessly conservative auditor that should always abhor risk and look favorably upon greater safety and security. The very fact that such a company came out against a bill forcing banks to have safer balance sheets is in itself absolute proof of how completely fucked and corrupt our current system is.

The S&P report, entitled "Brown-Vitter Bill: Game-Changing Regulation For U.S. Banks", is so incredibly hysterical in its tone that, reading it, one cannot help but deduce that people on Wall Street are genuinely afraid of this bill. The paper essentially hints that forcing banks to retain more capital could lead to world financial collapse, the onset of a new Ice Age, mammoths roaming Nebraska, etc.

I've talked to a number of people on the Hill and in finance in the finance sector in the last week and they all say the same thing. The tone of reports like this S&P thing, and op-eds by other bank-friendly critics, are more strident and desperate than we've seen previously and suggest a genuine fear that this bill may pass.

"The prospect already has the industry quaking in its boots," writes Darrell Dellamaide of USA Today.


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/too-big-to-fail-takes-another-body-blow-20130501#ixzz2S9QDg0aK



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I think most of those bastards need to be swingin from a rope.. The ones who allowed it to happen should go first..

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Lurch wrote:I think most of those bastards need to be swingin from a rope.. The ones who allowed it to happen should go first..

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Hang'em first. Then fine 'em for loitering.

The fine should be confiscation of their estate....every damned dime.

Judge Bean would be proud.

Jake92



None of the BS of putting everything in the mate's or somebody elses name.... Take the house and estate and auction it off with NO relatives allowed to bid.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

People forget that the federal government is really defacto subservient to the bankers. No bills are going to pass that goes against Wall Street.

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Floridatexan

Floridatexan

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:People forget that the federal government is really defacto subservient to the bankers. No bills are going to pass that goes against Wall Street.

I strongly disagree, Z. I think public sentiment began to turn back in 2008. Too bad our country didn't follow Iceland's example...or the rest of the developed world, for that matter.

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Jake92 wrote:None of the BS of putting everything in the mate's or somebody elses name.... Take the house and estate and auction it off with NO relatives allowed to bid.

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"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers". - (Act IV, Scene II). Henry the 5th.....W. Shakespeare

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2seaoat



The fine should be confiscation of their estate.......nothing so drastic.....just return the estate tax rates and exemptions back to the 1990 levels. The problem would be solved. 1% control an equal amount of American wealth as the bottom 90%......we have allowed America to be stolen. We start to correct this by the estate tax reverting back to prior rates.......Once your wealth reaches a certain level....patriotism is a foreign concept......it is where you can park your wealth and exploit without regulation or interference......unfettered capitalism is going to collapse capitalism as we knew it as children. Capitalism works best with limits and regulation which protects the citizens of a country so they are not raped and pillaged under the guise of unfettered capitalism.......capitalism is a great success when the people of a country are factored into the equation, and unfair advantage and subsidy is not given to the wealthiest.....83 billion a year subsidy to wall street and the big banks......nonsense.

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Oh, so NOW yall are concerned about FRANK-DODD bill. LOL

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Margin Call

Margin Call

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Sal

Sal

Margin Call wrote:"If you stare at that liability long enough, it becomes an asset".
-Oil company dude from Syriana

I love that movie.

2seaoat



Just rolled some IRA account over to a bank in the midwest. It is a big bank, and when I opened the account they offered me .20% interest on 15k I put in the bank. I am thinking of the millions of babyboomer with money who intended to live off their interest from their savings accounts. My wife had 38 years of teaching in a very lucrative district where her retirement benefit a year is 72k. I have been self employed and I have set up SEPS, 401ks, and IRAs in my business. In the early 80s I made twice as much as my wife each year, but as her government paycheck increased and she completed her masters and post masters work her step increases became obscene.

Now how much money would I have had to deposit in my qualified plans to equal a government employee at .20 percent. Well lets make this easy.....100k at 1% would be 1k.....so I am getting $200 bucks for each 100k I was able to save. A half million will get me 1k.......so for a businessman to equal the return on investment without diminishing the capital.....they would have needed 36 million in the banks on what they are currently giving for interest rates at the bottom rate. Lets say I get 6 times the return of the bottom rate, or 1.2%.....I still would need to have accumulated 6 million in my qualified plans......well that is impossible unless somebody was a crook like Romney and created shell partnerships.

So millions of babyboomers who were quite successful and built America are going to go into retirement where they are going to have to live considerably below their standard of living and invade their capital in the qualified plans..........but here is the catch......the average American at 60 only has 30k in their qualified plans........so as these folks go into austerity mode.....70% of economy is dependent on consumer demand......and just how long do you think that 30k is going to last with cost of living SS being attacked.........Wall Street and these big banks have robbed America of its wealth, depleted home equity from an entire generation, and have been subsidized to the tune of almost 100 million a year. Do Americans understand that the entire cost of COLA for SS is less than 20 billion, and that we are giving the big banks four times the amount we give our senior citizens so they can loot this nation......Houston we have a problem.
http://www.ssa.gov/history/reports/boskinrpt.html

knothead

knothead

2seaoat wrote:The fine should be confiscation of their estate.......nothing so drastic.....just return the estate tax rates and exemptions back to the 1990 levels. The problem would be solved. 1% control an equal amount of American wealth as the bottom 90%......we have allowed America to be stolen. We start to correct this by the estate tax reverting back to prior rates.......Once your wealth reaches a certain level....patriotism is a foreign concept......it is where you can park your wealth and exploit without regulation or interference......unfettered capitalism is going to collapse capitalism as we knew it as children. Capitalism works best with limits and regulation which protects the citizens of a country so they are not raped and pillaged under the guise of unfettered capitalism.......capitalism is a great success when the people of a country are factored into the equation, and unfair advantage and subsidy is not given to the wealthiest.....83 billion a year subsidy to wall street and the big banks......nonsense.

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Mr. Oats, your ability to articulate your point(s) are unmatched here, as in this instance . . . . . we do not always agree but here there is no disagreement. Great post!

2seaoat



The truth is that the entire IRA debacle was a scam. As Americans who had traditional pensions with companies which may have only paid $1,500 a month for a pension, they were convinced that the 8-12% interest being offered in the early 80s would give them a very comfortable living on the IRA account, so all across America folks said......bingo.....lets eject the traditional fixed investment pension which had strict actuarial tables, and lets have Wall Street and large banks give our retirement funds a boost.

Well was this a historical accident, or a carefully planned extraction of wealth from America. The pension plans were robbed, and then the factories were robbed, and like silly sheep......people counted their incomes from about a 10 cap potential..........so somebody with a 150k could be getting as much as that traditional pension plan with strict actuarial tables......yep.....until Wall street and the big banks stole America.......

However, the other side of the equation is government pensions which politicians gave to themselves and other folks just because they could......where were the traditional strict tables of the Actuary? Nope they borrowed from Peter to pay Paul, and now have shortfalls across the board......so the answer......steal from a very sound actuarial table in SS.......yes we need to fine tune some things in SS, but again when you are giving 83 billion to Banks and Wall Street as subsidy each year....you get the picture.......the simple fact is that we need to decrease military, fire, police, teacher, and across the board government pensions where the contributions and the benefits are bound by strict actuarial tables.......one cannot generalize because some fire districts have very sound pension plans.....some states have sound plans, but across the board there is underfunding, so any solution will require strict standards which do not force a total collapse of the system. Now if you tell my wife that she is going to take a 10% cut in her pension.....well we will survive, but the guy working for a city, who is looking at $1,000 a month pension....that hundred bucks means something. This is a massive fail which have both parties not thinking clearly and not looking for realistic solutions. It starts with eliminating the bank subsidies, and fixing government pensions, and addressing Medicare shortfalls. Our problems are only a matter of consensus once the message is not clouded by politics.

2seaoat



Small local banks across America are doing a fair job......it is the major banks who are too big to fail who are robbing America. They are also the ones who were forced to pay more FDIC premiums after the Wall Street and big banks pulled off the biggest theft in American history. So liquid successful community banks who actually serve their communities get screwed while the big banks continue to rip America.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

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Floridatexan

Floridatexan

2seaoat wrote:Small local banks across America are doing a fair job......it is the major banks who are too big to fail who are robbing America. They are also the ones who were forced to pay more FDIC premiums after the Wall Street and big banks pulled off the biggest theft in American history. So liquid successful community banks who actually serve their communities get screwed while the big banks continue to rip America.

And this is why I have hope...because the small community banks are similar to small businesses in that they constitute the "backbone" of our economy. So members of the banking community who do not work for Citigroup or Bank of America, e.g., are waking up to the fact that their business will continue to suffer over the long term if the TBTF banks are allowed to continue their rate fixing and (call it what it is) criminal activity. Now we have Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, and others, holding not only the banks accountable and asking the hard questions, and journalists like Matt Taibbi, explaining what the hell happened to people who don't ordinarily see the big financial picture, but who know they've been screwed. Anyone who didn't see this coming back at the end of Bill Clinton's tenure, with the passage of Gramm/Leachy/Bliley and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act...and THEN the "election" of George W. Bush...well, they didn't understand the trifecta...and this is where Clinton fell down on the job...that and NAFTA. Any time the interests of the few take precedence over the many, our democratic republic is in jeopardy.

I also see the Obama administration clamping down on international tax cheats. But we need prosecutions...there were plenty in the S&L scandal of the 1980's, which also affected the real estate market...and which, if more people had paid attention, could be seen as a precursor to the much larger and more global crash of 2008.

So, whenever possible, buy locally, bank locally, and invest in your community. Buy products made in the USA. I refuse to buy anything made in China, on principle, even if their products weren't tainted. And I very rarely shop at Walmart...again on principle.



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