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Bottom Line: Five factors led to the apprehension of the bombers.

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2seaoat



So instead of blaming LEO, lets put blame right smack dab upon John Q. Public's shoulders.

Sorry, but on this one we disagree. After the Olympics bombing, it was drilled into us by police at events about unattended bags. I have been in airports all over the United States where after Atlanta I would hear a looped tape warning people to report any unattended bags. The Israelis train their people on what they should do with an unattended bag. They immediately announce the same and have people back off. This is training and policy. Our policy over the last 30 years is to increase our criminal justice system by 500% mostly because of the war on drugs and the war on terrorism, but there are better policies which do not require a standing army in this country.

I went and got a hot dog in Atlanta airport around 2003 and an airline personnel approached me and asked me if my computer bag was mine. This was a very hot topic.........did the people fall asleep, or did all the people standing around fall asleep.........where were the announcements which I have heard a decade ago.......but we had thousands of police cars filling the streets........we had honest citizens under gun point being taken from their homes.....while a boogeyman simply walked away.....not even with a gun............no this is policy failure.......it is a huge fail, but nobody is asking questions because the Bobs of this world who hate Muslims have their answers.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Five factors led to the apprehension of the bombers.

I was no English major.......

However, I didn't know there were 5 factors that gave the bombers apprehension about committing such an ignoble act. Exclamation

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2seaoat wrote:So instead of blaming LEO, lets put blame right smack dab upon John Q. Public's shoulders.

Sorry, but on this one we disagree. After the Olympics bombing, it was drilled into us by police at events about unattended bags. I have been in airports all over the United States where after Atlanta I would hear a looped tape warning people to report any unattended bags. The Israelis train their people on what they should do with an unattended bag. They immediately announce the same and have people back off. This is training and policy. Our policy over the last 30 years is to increase our criminal justice system by 500% mostly because of the war on drugs and the war on terrorism, but there are better policies which do not require a standing army in this country.

I went and got a hot dog in Atlanta airport around 2003 and an airline personnel approached me and asked me if my computer bag was mine. This was a very hot topic.........did the people fall asleep, or did all the people standing around fall asleep.........where were the announcements which I have heard a decade ago.......but we had thousands of police cars filling the streets........we had honest citizens under gun point being taken from their homes.....while a boogeyman simply walked away.....not even with a gun............no this is policy failure.......it is a huge fail, but nobody is asking questions because the Bobs of this world who hate Muslims have their answers.

It seems as if that has worn off over the years.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Five factors led to the apprehension of the bombers.

I was no English major.......

However, I didn't know there were 5 factors that gave the bombers apprehension about committing such an ignoble act. Exclamation

The word "apprehension" has more than one definition.
You're using the 2nd definition of the word listed here. I was using the 1st...

1. seizure by legal process : arrest <apprehension of a criminal>

2.
suspicion or fear especially of future evil : foreboding <an atmosphere of nervous apprehension>

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

2seaoat wrote:

Well are you not a part of a large minority of people in this country who think the war against terror is really the war against Muslims?

I'll answer that question by asking you a question.
Do you not think World War 2 was a war against the Germans and the Japanese?

The "war on terror" resulted from the events of 9/11. The 9/11 perps were muslims. It's not just a coincidence that they just happened to be muslims. Their own perception of their muslim religion played a big role in inspiring them to commit their acts.

But of course their religion was not their only motivator. I have written countless posts here to convey my feelings about that.
I am fully convinced that the middle east foreign policy of the American government over the past 60 years also contributed to it.

Do you really think this reaction to the bombing was professional and timely?


I don't know enough about that to answer that question. I've never claimed I did.


Do you think if the two brothers were white nazis would they have put Boston under House arrest?

I was not aware that the authorities knew the two suspects were muslims when they made the decision to "put Boston under house arrest". What I recall is that no one knew it was muslims who had done this until the suspects were identified. I remember at the time "Boston was put under house arrest", the officials and the public were still engaged in speculation about who had done this and why. And that speculation included home-grown terrorists who had domestic motives as well as muslim terrorists.


2seaoat



I remember at the time "Boston was put under house arrest", the officials and the public were still engaged in speculation

Robert....Robert......Robert......you have already acknowledged they had their car........do I have to draw a picture.........I used to color by numbers.......I would take this long shot......that they had the license plate, and car ownership in the database and had an answer within three minutes as to their immigration status, criminal records, and yes ethnicity........and maybe....and FBI agent woke up from his deep slumber and connected the dots.......now what do you think followed......Boston was put under arrest.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

2seaoat wrote: I remember at the time "Boston was put under house arrest", the officials and the public were still engaged in speculation

Robert....Robert......Robert......you have already acknowledged they had their car........do I have to draw a picture.........I used to color by numbers.......I would take this long shot......that they had the license plate, and car ownership in the database and had an answer within three minutes as to their immigration status, criminal records, and yes ethnicity........and maybe....and FBI agent woke up from his deep slumber and connected the dots.......now what do you think followed......Boston was put under arrest.

Okay you're right, I misspoke this time. The lockdown and manhunt began after Dzhorkav escaped at the end of the police chase. And that was when they were identifying Tamerlan.

So what you're saying is, if at that point the two perps would have been white nazis, instead of the muslim Tsarnaev brothers, and one of the white nazis escaped and was on the loose, the authorities would not have done the same lockdown and manhunt?




2seaoat



I misspoke this time.

hmmmmmm this time.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

2seaoat wrote: I misspoke this time.

hmmmmmm this time.

Yes this time. What else did I write in this thread that was in error? If there's more then be specific.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

I respond to your questions. I'm still waiting for your response to this one.

So what you're saying is, if at that point the two perps would have been white nazis, instead of the muslim Tsarnaev brothers, and one of the white nazis escaped and was on the loose, the authorities would not have done the same lockdown and manhunt?

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