Gun Bill killed in Senate.......90% of Americans supported this background bill

2seaoat wrote:This is the surface of the iceberg......it is the 400lb gorilla in the room. The decline of America is directly tied to our legislators being bought and paid for........gun merchants put ads out that this bill would register guns.....just the opposite, this bill would not allow registration(I think this is boneheaded).

So how do we get rid of subsidies for the very wealthy? How do we get rid of farm subsidies for multi billion dollar corporations who pay no taxes? How do trade associations burn food and call it energy conservation......and get a subsidy on top of it? How do we close a local base when it is best for the country, yet the local politicians twist arms? How do large arm producers get their weapon system approved.......merit.....or direct or indirect payoffs?

WE NEED TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK!

2seaoat wrote:This is the poster child for what has happened in America........A congress which can be bought and paid for to go against the American people.......Shameful that something as simple as improved background checks cannot be passed when it was simply a watered down bill........the truth is that America is wising up.......we need to throw out those folks who represent special interests.

2seaoat wrote:Feel good to have background checks............geez. Do you not do a background check about some of the factors which makes an offer legitimate when you are representing a person selling a house. Do you at least get their name, and maybe render the transaction to paper.........Do you think that is asking too much or do you just shake the buyers hand and say....hey I will see you at the closing....you know.....whenever you want to bring some money to us...........insanity to actually fight this positive and important first step.

PK.....your second amendment rights are not taken by restrictions on gun ownership......talk to Judge Scalia to get an explanation.......his opinion matters.....ours do not.

2seaoat wrote:Show us the list of prominent advocates of this law who say THIS legislation would have stopped THIS shooting. Share with us how it would have done so.



I know of no person who passes a law which will so foolishly state that the law just passed would have stopped a tragic event. I do think most Americans understand if you make it more difficult for unauthorized people to have access to guns.......that gun violence will be reduced. I personally think that this was simply cheese spread on the floor to draw the rats out and identify them.....a political move which will mobilize and target individuals in 2014.........I would have much rather seen a comprehensive bill with actual effectiveness which would include registration, chipped weapons, biometric triggers and control modules in vehicles which restricts illegal transport of weapons by unauthorized personnel.......so they will play the political game to win 2014, and eventually we can try to reduce30k deaths a year by firearms and a staggering figure of 900K people since the early 1980s...........the path to gun safety requires small steps, but we will reduce deaths by firearms in America.

2seaoat wrote:How can that be?


Gun violence and the presence of gangs and drugs is the correlation which explains gun deaths.....not incomplete gun safety laws.......Gary Indiana is 15 minutes from Chicago's South side.....what does Chicago's gun laws have to do when a person who can get a firearm without a problem 15 minutes away.

I feel pretty confident that biometric triggers alone could greatly reduce gun deaths, but I believe that comprehensive laws are necessary. Again, registration, dynamic foid cards, chipped weapons, biometric triggers, and control modules in vehicles..........without a bit of hesitiation......these measures would have made it more difficult for the Sandy Hook or other events to have happened........but the question is not specifically stopping one event, rather statistically reducing gun deaths........and yes, this background check was an important first step up the stairway to gun safety.

2seaoat wrote:This is the poster child for what has happened in America........A congress which can be bought and paid for to go against the American people.......Shameful that something as simple as improved background checks cannot be passed when it was simply a watered down bill........the truth is that America is wising up.......we need to throw out those folks who represent special interests.

2seaoat wrote:They did not want to go home because they passed a bill which America wants......Background checks.......really......you think voters are going to get their panties in a wad over background checks.......or is it the NRA who has their panties in a wad........people have had it.......gangbangers rule the streets in major cities with easy access to guns, and folks do not want us to find out at a gun show that the person buying the gun is a convicted felon......is this really an argument, or have I not awakened from deep sleep?

gulfbeachbandit wrote:Why don't they just make it illegal to shoot someone.

nochain wrote:It's a little misleading to assume this bill was only about background checks. If anyone is to blame for the totality of failure it's Harry Reid who wanted all amendments on the table thus making the whole mess unpalatable to both sides of the aisle although the votes on some were pretty close. Why?

"Why did everything need 60 votes to pass? Because Reid didn’t want amendments favored by gun rights advocates added to the overall package and weaken — or kill — everything. The hope was that background checks would survive and make it into the final bill; it did not."

So, thank Reid for a procedural card game where everyone lost. I would like to see background checks strengthened but with all the finger pointing at the latest round of "gun" massacres it is clear even those wouldn't have helped. BHO keeps cloaking himself with the families of Newtown victims - why? The freak that did the shooting killed his mother and stole her guns. How would a background check have stopped that tragedy???? It wouldn't but I am still for checks. This amendment also failed although it seems like common sense:

"Republican gun legislation failed 52-48: The main Republican alternative to gun control, proposed by Sens. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and Ted Cruz (R-Ariz.) failed with 52 senators in favor and 48 opposed. It would increase funding for criminal prosecution, school safety, and mental health resources and create a task force to go after felons who fail background checks. At the same time the amendment would loosen gun restrictions by making it easier to purchase and carry guns across state lines."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/04/17/what-happened-with-gun-amendments-today-everything-failed/?wprss=rss_politics

2seaoat wrote:Show us the list of prominent advocates of this law who say THIS legislation would have stopped THIS shooting. Share with us how it would have done so.



I know of no person who passes a law which will so foolishly state that the law just passed would have stopped a tragic event. I do think most Americans understand if you make it more difficult for unauthorized people to have access to guns.......that gun violence will be reduced. I personally think that this was simply cheese spread on the floor to draw the rats out and identify them.....a political move which will mobilize and target individuals in 2014.........I would have much rather seen a comprehensive bill with actual effectiveness which would include registration, chipped weapons, biometric triggers and control modules in vehicles which restricts illegal transport of weapons by unauthorized personnel.......so they will play the political game to win 2014, and eventually we can try to reduce30k deaths a year by firearms and a staggering figure of 900K people since the early 1980s...........the path to gun safety requires small steps, but we will reduce deaths by firearms in America.

PACEDOG#1 wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Show us the list of prominent advocates of this law who say THIS legislation would have stopped THIS shooting. Share with us how it would have done so.



I know of no person who passes a law which will so foolishly state that the law just passed would have stopped a tragic event. I do think most Americans understand if you make it more difficult for unauthorized people to have access to guns.......that gun violence will be reduced. I personally think that this was simply cheese spread on the floor to draw the rats out and identify them.....a political move which will mobilize and target individuals in 2014.........I would have much rather seen a comprehensive bill with actual effectiveness which would include registration, chipped weapons, biometric triggers and control modules in vehicles which restricts illegal transport of weapons by unauthorized personnel.......so they will play the political game to win 2014, and eventually we can try to reduce30k deaths a year by firearms and a staggering figure of 900K people since the early 1980s...........the path to gun safety requires small steps, but we will reduce deaths by firearms in America.

NONE and I mean NONE of the provisions of this bill would have made it more difficult for criminals to get guns.

knothead wrote:

2seaoat wrote:How can that be?


Gun violence and the presence of gangs and drugs is the correlation which explains gun deaths.....not incomplete gun safety laws.......Gary Indiana is 15 minutes from Chicago's South side.....what does Chicago's gun laws have to do when a person who can get a firearm without a problem 15 minutes away.

I feel pretty confident that biometric triggers alone could greatly reduce gun deaths, but I believe that comprehensive laws are necessary. Again, registration, dynamic foid cards, chipped weapons, biometric triggers, and control modules in vehicles..........without a bit of hesitiation......these measures would have made it more difficult for the Sandy Hook or other events to have happened........but the question is not specifically stopping one event, rather statistically reducing gun deaths........and yes, this background check was an important first step up the stairway to gun safety.

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