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Obama's Peace Speech in Jerusalem

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Sal

Sal

Great words, but is that all they are?

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I also know that not everyone in this hall will agree with what I have to say about peace. I recognize that there are those who are not simply skeptical about peace, but question its underlying premise, and that’s a part of democracy and the discourse between our two countries. But it is important to be open and honest with one another. Politically, given the strong bipartisan support for Israel in America, the easiest thing for me to do would be to put this issue aside, and express unconditional support for whatever Israel decides to do. But I want you to know that I speak to you as a friend who is deeply concerned and committed to your future, and I ask you to consider three points.

First, peace is necessary. Indeed, it is the only path to true security. You can be the generation that permanently secures the Zionist dream, or you can face a growing challenge to its future. Given the demographics west of the Jordan River, the only way for Israel to endure and thrive as a Jewish and democratic state is through the realization of an independent and viable Palestine. Given the frustration in the international community, Israel must reverse an undertow of isolation. And given the march of technology, the only way to truly protect the Israeli people is through the absence of war – because no wall is high enough, and no Iron Dome is strong enough, to stop every enemy from inflicting harm.

This truth is more pronounced given the changes sweeping the Arab World. I recognize that with the uncertainty in the region – people in the streets, changes in leadership, the rise of non-secular parties in politics –it is tempting to turn inward. But this is precisely the time to respond to the wave of revolution with a resolve for peace. As more governments respond to popular will, the days when Israel could seek peace with a handful of autocratic leaders are over. Peace must be made among peoples, not just governments. No one step can change overnight what lies in the hearts and minds of millions. But progress with the Palestinians is a powerful way to begin, while sidelining extremists who thrive on conflict and division.

Second, peace is just. There is no question that Israel has faced Palestinian factions who turned to terror, and leaders who missed historic opportunities. That is why security must be at the center of any agreement. And there is no question that the only path to peace is through negotiation. That is why, despite the criticism we’ve received, the United States will oppose unilateral efforts to bypass negotiations through the United Nations.

But the Palestinian people’s right to self-determination and justice must also be recognized. Put yourself in their shoes – look at the world through their eyes. It is not fair that a Palestinian child cannot grow up in a state of her own, and lives with the presence of a foreign army that controls the movements of her parents every single day. It is not just when settler violence against Palestinians goes unpunished. It is not right to prevent Palestinians from farming their lands; to restrict a student’s ability to move around the West Bank; or to displace Palestinian families from their home. Neither occupation nor expulsion is the answer. Just as Israelis built a state in their homeland, Palestinians have a right to be a free people in their own land.

Only you can determine what kind of democracy you will have. But remember that as you make these decisions, you will define not simply the future of your relationship with the Palestinians – you will define the future of Israel as well. As Ariel Sharon said, “It is impossible to have a Jewish, democratic state and at the same time to control all of Eretz Israel. If we insist on fulfilling the dream in its entirety, we are liable to lose it all.” Or, from a different perspective, think of what David Grossman said shortly after losing his son, as he described the necessity of peace – “a peace of no choice” he said, “must be approached with the same determination and creativity as one approaches a war of no choice.”

Of course, Israel cannot be expected to negotiate with anyone who is dedicated to its destruction. But while I know you have had differences with the Palestinian Authority, I believe that you do have a true partner in President Abbas and Prime Minister Fayyad. Over the last few years, they have built institutions and maintained security on the West Bank in ways that few would have imagined a decade ago. So many Palestinians – including young people – have rejected violence as a means of achieving their aspirations.

Which leads to my third point: peace is possible. I know it doesn’t seem that way. There will always be a reason to avoid risk, and there’s a cost for failure. There will always be extremists who provide an excuse to not act. And there is something exhausting about endless talks about talks; the daily controversies, and grinding status quo.

Negotiations will be necessary, but there is little secret about where they must lead – two states for two peoples. There will be differences about how to get there, and hard choices along the way. Arab States must adapt to a world that has changed. The days when they could condemn Israel to distract their people from a lack of opportunity are over. Now is the time for the Arab World to take steps toward normalized relations with Israel. Meanwhile, Palestinians must recognize that Israel will be a Jewish state, and that Israelis have the right to insist upon their security. Israelis must recognize that continued settlement activity is counterproductive to the cause of peace, and that an independent Palestine must be viable– that real borders will have to be drawn. I’ve suggested principles on territory and security that I believe can be the basis for talks. But for the moment, put aside the plans and process. I ask you, instead, to think about what can be done to build trust between people.

Four years ago, I stood in Cairo in front of an audience of young people. Politically, religiously, they must seem a world away. But the things they want – they’re not so different from you. The ability to make their own decisions; to get an education and a good job; to worship God in their own way; to get married and have a family. The same is true of the young Palestinians that I met in Ramallah this morning, and of young Palestinians who yearn for a better life in Gaza.

That is where peace begins – not just in the plans of leaders, but in the hearts of people; not just in a carefully designed process, but in the daily connections that take place among those who live together in this land, and in this sacred city of Jerusalem. Speaking as a politician, I can promise you this: political leaders will not take risks if the people do not demand that they do. You must create the change that you want to see.

I know this is possible. Look to the bridges being built in business and civil society by some of you here today. Look at young people who have not yet learned a reason to mistrust, and those who have learned to overcome a legacy of mistrust that they inherited from their parents because of the simple recognition that we hold more hopes in common than the fear that drives us apart. Your voices must be louder than the extremists who would drown them out. Your hopes must light the way forward. Look to a future in which Jews, Muslims and Christians can all live in peace and greater prosperity in this Holy Land. Look to the future that you want for your own children – a future in which a Jewish, democratic state is protected and accepted, for this time and for all time.

There will be many voices that say this change is not possible. But remember this: Israel is the most powerful country in this region. Israel has the unshakeable support of the most powerful country in the world. Israel has the wisdom to see the world as it is, but also the courage to see the world as it should be. Ben Gurion once said, “In Israel, in order to be a realist you must believe in miracles.” Sometimes, the greatest miracle is recognizing that the world can change. After all, that is a lesson that the world learned from the Jewish people.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

I listened to the whole thing on YouTube, and thought it was very good. The President was trying to make his words go over the heads of the hard-line Israeli Zionists, and appeal to the Israeli people. The people know what they need to change--they gave Obama several standing ovations.

The hard-liners who were around in the early years are starting to die-off. When moderates get control of the Israeli government, the chance for a lasting peace will greatly increase.

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2seaoat



The people know what they need to change--they gave Obama several standing ovations.


Possibly, but I heard an analyst say the audience was picked because they were university students who would be receptive to his message. The analyst said that most young people on the contrary were very reactionary. It was a good speech, and I hope the two state path can be given a chance.......I am doubtful.

gulfbeachbandit

gulfbeachbandit

There will never be peace in the middle east. Till there are no more muslims.

Guest


Guest

The POTUS has no clue about what he is discussing. The Jews don't believe him. The Palestinians don't believe him. Nobody else in the region believes him.

His speech was dead on arrival.

Israel, right now, isn't going to throw their security in a bucket and expect that Obama will make sure things turn out OK. Why? Just think of other areas that this admin had decided to IGNORE and done ZIP about at all. Israel pretty much knows the POTUS is going to give them the CRAP end of the STICK. As a believer, I know this will happen.

Israel doesn't have time to listen to such BALDERDASH. Their country could be overrun in the time it took him to make his speech. It is worse now with Syria using chem weapons against their own people. Syria and Israel do have a border.


Floridatexan

Floridatexan

gulfbeachbandit wrote:There will never be peace in the middle east. Till there are no more muslims.

You have really gone to the depths of disgusting. I say we take out the people on planet Earth that think like you do. Then we'll be ok.

Sal

Sal

Floridatexan wrote:
gulfbeachbandit wrote:There will never be peace in the middle east. Till there are no more muslims.

You have really gone to the depths of disgusting. I say we take out the people on planet Earth that think like you do. Then we'll be ok.

Following cuntface's logic, the Middle East would be a peaceful paradise if we just killed all the Jews.

He's a Nazi.

Sal

Sal

Floridatexan wrote:
gulfbeachbandit wrote:There will never be peace in the middle east. Till there are no more muslims.

You have really gone to the depths of disgusting. I say we take out the people on planet Earth that think like you do. Then we'll be ok.

Following cuntface's logic, the Middle East would be a peaceful paradise if we just killed all the Jews.

He's a Nazi.

Guest


Guest

gulfbeachbandit wrote:There will never be peace in the middle east. Till there are no more muslims.

Oh it is coming...for 3.5 years and then all heck breaks loose...

Guest


Guest

a sweet little attempt by one muslim to secure the booty for the other muslims.

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Slicef18

Slicef18

" analyst say the audience was picked because they were university students who would be receptive to his message."

The same thing was said about Vietnam. These speeches are aimed at the educated citizens that will one day lead their nations.

Slicef18

Slicef18

gulfbeachbandit wrote:There will never be peace in the middle east. Till there are no more muslims.


That is the attitude that promotes the extermination of a people including their children. We saw this attitude put into action during WWII.

KarlRove

KarlRove

Slicef18 wrote:
gulfbeachbandit wrote:There will never be peace in the middle east. Till there are no more muslims.


That is the attitude that promotes the extermination of a people including their children. We saw this attitude put into action during WWII.

...and that was the last war we could all agree on that we WON. Maybe it's something we should consider.

Guest


Guest

Floridatexan wrote:
gulfbeachbandit wrote:There will never be peace in the middle east. Till there are no more muslims.

You have really gone to the depths of disgusting. I say we take out the people on planet Earth that think like you do. Then we'll be ok.

Obama's Peace Speech in Jerusalem Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQM2nvqhmku116NXiGbog7tJENYx8dr5MCgao9tMn9ocp_41VK3Cg

Wow!!!!! Then after that all the conservatives? Then after that all the independents? Then after that...

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