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Pensacola Discussion Forum » Politics » Question: Even if almost ALL guns are banned and all sorts of laws are passed (in the name of getting SOMETHING done) - How does that stop criminals and crazy people? Wouldn't you want to be able to defend yourself and/or your family?

Question: Even if almost ALL guns are banned and all sorts of laws are passed (in the name of getting SOMETHING done) - How does that stop criminals and crazy people? Wouldn't you want to be able to defend yourself and/or your family?

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VectorMan

VectorMan

Chicago has some of the, so-called, toughest gun/anti-gun laws in America and is rife with armed criminal activity resulting in deaths. A six month old girl was recently shot 5 times while her father was changing her diaper and she later died in the hospital. The father, who was probably targeted, survived.

I don't think there is ANY law that could have saved that child. Liberals want to be seen as all caring, and passing BS laws that don't do a damn thing makes them feel better about themselves and appear to be doing SOMETHING! ANYTHING!

PATHETIC!

AS well as predictable.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/12/jonylah-watkins-dies-6-mo_n_2859436.html

2seaoat



Sorry.....your analysis is skewed. You think sticking your head in a hole is logical, and any action is foolish. Sorry....you are wrong. Biometric trigger locks, dynamic foid cards and chipped weapons with monitoring units in licensed vehicles is a no brainer. Law abiding folks will never stop a tragedy like this.....they can only hope that the probabilities will improve....not all or nothing as you propose.....and forget the entire gun debate.....fix the war on drugs.....that will take care of 90% of the violence in major cities.

Guest


Guest

2seaoat wrote:Sorry.....your analysis is skewed. You think sticking your head in a hole is logical, and any action is foolish. Sorry....you are wrong. Biometric trigger locks, dynamic foid cards and chipped weapons with monitoring units in licensed vehicles is a no brainer. Law abiding folks will never stop a tragedy like this.....they can only hope that the probabilities will improve....not all or nothing as you propose.....and forget the entire gun debate.....fix the war on drugs.....that will take care of 90% of the violence in major cities.


Nice red herring Seaoat.

Do you really think that with 300 million plus weapons on the street that those aforementioned items are going to stop criminals from doing what they want? We'd be better off trying to deport all of the illegals here in this country than trying to retrofit guns to your liking.

VectorMan

VectorMan

2seaoat wrote: Biometric trigger locks, dynamic foid cards and chipped weapons with monitoring units in licensed vehicles is a no brainer.

Sounds more like a dead brainer. Big Brother time? No thanks.

And, I never said "all or nothing". Nor am I sticking my head in a hole. Lets talk about it intelligently and figure out what's best. Not have knee jerk reactions and want to ban all sorts of firearms while using the Constitution as toilet paper. It is not a living document. It is a major part of why America is one of the greatest places in the world.

boards of FL

boards of FL

In response to the thread title: It won't. I've done some research and ran some regressions on gun related deaths/violent crimes and how they correlate with gun ownership rates by state. My conclusion: there is no statistically significant correlation between the two. Guns do not appear to make people any less safe, and they also do not make people any safer. If any legislation is to be passed, it should be geared towards simply adding hurdles and making it more difficult for bad people to get guns.


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knothead

knothead

I agree with largely with bds. Americans respect the 2nd Amendment but most want something done and I for one would support background checks as a starting point and regulate the gun show loop hole where John Q. Nutjob buys a dangerous weapon.

VectorMan

VectorMan

boards of FL wrote:In response to the thread title: It won't. I've done some research and ran some regressions on gun related deaths/violent crimes and how they correlate with gun ownership rates by state. My conclusion: there is no statistically significant correlation between the two. Guns do not appear to make people any less safe, and they also do not make people any safer. If any legislation is to be passed, it should be geared towards simply adding hurdles and making it more difficult for bad people to get guns.

I agree with the hurdles and such. No one should be able to buy or sell a gun willy nilly. Knowing who you're dealing with is important in any business situation or transaction.

Statistics withstanding. I FEEL SAFER knowing I am equipped to protect myself and loved ones. The ability to return fire cannot be overstated.

Guest


Guest

boards of FL wrote:In response to the thread title: It won't. I've done some research and ran some regressions on gun related deaths/violent crimes and how they correlate with gun ownership rates by state. My conclusion: there is no statistically significant correlation between the two. Guns do not appear to make people any less safe, and they also do not make people any safer. If any legislation is to be passed, it should be geared towards simply adding hurdles and making it more difficult for bad people to get guns.

Add the hurdles you want, it only makes it harder for law abiding citizens to get a gun to protect themself. Criminals don't get guns from legit gun dealers.

Guest


Guest

knothead wrote:I agree with largely with bds. Americans respect the 2nd Amendment but most want something done and I for one would support background checks as a starting point and regulate the gun show loop hole where John Q. Nutjob buys a dangerous weapon.

Adam Lanza's mom bought her guns legit. The whackjob who shot Giffords, bought his guns legit. The Aurora shooter, bought his guns legit. The gunshow loophole will fix nothing

Why not address the real issue that our mental health system is crap and too many people fall through the cracks?

How about we ENFORCE the laws on the books already?

knothead

knothead

Why not address the real issue that our mental health system is crap and too many people fall through the cracks?

How about we ENFORCE the laws on the books already?[/quote]

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PD, I agree completely with you but we need to also go farther to limit the availability of some weapons as determined under the Heller decision and the gun show loop hole is a problem I believe.

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Guest

PACEDOG#1 wrote:
2seaoat wrote:Sorry.....your analysis is skewed. You think sticking your head in a hole is logical, and any action is foolish. Sorry....you are wrong. Biometric trigger locks, dynamic foid cards and chipped weapons with monitoring units in licensed vehicles is a no brainer. Law abiding folks will never stop a tragedy like this.....they can only hope that the probabilities will improve....not all or nothing as you propose.....and forget the entire gun debate.....fix the war on drugs.....that will take care of 90% of the violence in major cities.


Nice red herring Seaoat.

Do you really think that with 300 million plus weapons on the street that those aforementioned items are going to stop criminals from doing what they want? We'd be better off trying to deport all of the illegals here in this country than trying to retrofit guns to your liking.

Good point!...Freeing the illegals (criminals) back into society and disarming citiznes...What could possibly be a problem?...

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