GOP Invites Ted Nugent to SOTU - Gun Safety Advocates Ecstatic

Sal wrote:And this is what our political discourse has come to ...

What's the over/under on the number of infrared beads the Secret Service will have trained on this crackpot's noggin?

The gun rights community may not be doing itself any favors by giving Ted Nugent a seat at the State of the Union speech Tuesday night.

The outspoken rocker will be a guest of Rep. Steve Stockman (R-TX), one of the most vocal opponents of new gun control legislation following the Newtown, Conn., school massacre. But proponents of things like creating universal background checks and other gun regulations predicted on Monday that Nugent’s appearance will be a boon to their side and make it harder for gun rights advocates to make their case.

“If there’s better evidence that the NRA’s Washington lobbyists have lost their way, I can’t think of it,” Mark Glaze, director of New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg’s Mayors Against Illegal Guns, told TPM Monday. “They keep finding new ways to alienate their own members, which is a strange way to run a membership organization.”

Glaze and other gun control proponents often point to surveys of gun owners that showed broad support for expanded background checks, the chief post-Newtown goal of gun control advocates and a measure the NRA leadership opposes.

Nugent’s role as a political bomb thrower and an especially incendiary critic of President Obama gives him a strong gravitational pull for TV cameras covering the SOTU. And that means more coverage for Obama’s gun violence plan, according to gun control advocates.

“It definitely adds more coverage. And it’s going to play terribly for them,” Ladd Everitt, spokesperson for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence told TPM.

Gun control advocates have lobbied their allies in Congress to invite survivors of gun violence and their relatives to sit in the SOTU audience. USA Today reported about 20 will be in attendance. Michelle Obama is also hosting relatives of Hadiya Pendleton, a Chicago teen who was gunned down days after returning from the President’s inauguration, at the speech.

A spokesperson for Stockman’s office told DCist the congressman invited Nugent “because he is a supporter of the Second Amendment and American values.”

“We thought he would be a good representative,” spokesperson Donny Ferguson said.

But the juxtaposition between the group of survivors and a hardcore gun activist like Nugent during the SOTU is exactly what gun control advocates want.

“You’re going to have a guy who recently threatened the life of the President opposite over 20 survivors from some of our nation’s most gruesome episodes of gun violence,” Everitt said. “It’s heartless, and emblematic of just how radical the Republican Party has become on this issue.”

(Nugent was cleared by the Secret Service in April after he said he’d be “dead or in jail” if Obama was reelected.)

Nugent plans to make himself known at the SOTU, too, already promising to make comments to the press before and after the speech. Gun control advocates found it hard to contain their excitement.

“The country is having a once in a generation debate, and the NRA offers armed guards, Steve Stockman and Ted Nugent,” Glaze said. “They picked a strange moment to unilaterally disarm.”

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/02/ted-nugent-state-of-the-union-gun-control.php?ref=fpa

Lurch wrote:http://www.lowgenius.net/post/2011/08/27/Ted-Nugent-Is-An-Enormous-Coward.aspx

ted is one of the biggest PoS's to walk the earth..
I feel bad about ever seeing his concerts..

newswatcher wrote:

Sal wrote:And this is what our political discourse has come to ...

What's the over/under on the number of infrared beads the Secret Service will have trained on this crackpot's noggin?

The gun rights community may not be doing itself any favors by giving Ted Nugent a seat at the State of the Union speech Tuesday night.

The outspoken rocker will be a guest of Rep. Steve Stockman (R-TX), one of the most vocal opponents of new gun control legislation following the Newtown, Conn., school massacre. But proponents of things like creating universal background checks and other gun regulations predicted on Monday that Nugent’s appearance will be a boon to their side and make it harder for gun rights advocates to make their case.

“If there’s better evidence that the NRA’s Washington lobbyists have lost their way, I can’t think of it,” Mark Glaze, director of New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg’s Mayors Against Illegal Guns, told TPM Monday. “They keep finding new ways to alienate their own members, which is a strange way to run a membership organization.”

Glaze and other gun control proponents often point to surveys of gun owners that showed broad support for expanded background checks, the chief post-Newtown goal of gun control advocates and a measure the NRA leadership opposes.

Nugent’s role as a political bomb thrower and an especially incendiary critic of President Obama gives him a strong gravitational pull for TV cameras covering the SOTU. And that means more coverage for Obama’s gun violence plan, according to gun control advocates.

“It definitely adds more coverage. And it’s going to play terribly for them,” Ladd Everitt, spokesperson for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence told TPM.

Gun control advocates have lobbied their allies in Congress to invite survivors of gun violence and their relatives to sit in the SOTU audience. USA Today reported about 20 will be in attendance. Michelle Obama is also hosting relatives of Hadiya Pendleton, a Chicago teen who was gunned down days after returning from the President’s inauguration, at the speech.

A spokesperson for Stockman’s office told DCist the congressman invited Nugent “because he is a supporter of the Second Amendment and American values.”

“We thought he would be a good representative,” spokesperson Donny Ferguson said.

But the juxtaposition between the group of survivors and a hardcore gun activist like Nugent during the SOTU is exactly what gun control advocates want.

“You’re going to have a guy who recently threatened the life of the President opposite over 20 survivors from some of our nation’s most gruesome episodes of gun violence,” Everitt said. “It’s heartless, and emblematic of just how radical the Republican Party has become on this issue.”

(Nugent was cleared by the Secret Service in April after he said he’d be “dead or in jail” if Obama was reelected.)

Nugent plans to make himself known at the SOTU, too, already promising to make comments to the press before and after the speech. Gun control advocates found it hard to contain their excitement.

“The country is having a once in a generation debate, and the NRA offers armed guards, Steve Stockman and Ted Nugent,” Glaze said. “They picked a strange moment to unilaterally disarm.”

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/02/ted-nugent-state-of-the-union-gun-control.php?ref=fpa

Yup...Any citizen that supports the Constitution and the Second Amendment certainly doesn't appear to have a place in Washington DC...

newswatcher wrote:

Lurch wrote:http://www.lowgenius.net/post/2011/08/27/Ted-Nugent-Is-An-Enormous-Coward.aspx

ted is one of the biggest PoS's to walk the earth..
I feel bad about ever seeing his concerts..

Were all draft age males that had college deferements cowards?...In interviews Nugent has stated there were myths out there about reasons he did not serve in Vietnam and the truth he was in college...Now whether or not that was a correct procedure is another debate and certainly would cover thousands of individuals...but under that system if they proved that they were enrolled or been accepted into college and that was the rule...then it was legal...Again...not defending but if it's questioned there would be many politicians that would also be [to use your word] 'cowards ' and those folks actually vote on going to war even though they chose not too and that's another discussion....

Yella wrote:

newswatcher wrote:

Sal wrote:And this is what our political discourse has come to ...

What's the over/under on the number of infrared beads the Secret Service will have trained on this crackpot's noggin?

The gun rights community may not be doing itself any favors by giving Ted Nugent a seat at the State of the Union speech Tuesday night.

The outspoken rocker will be a guest of Rep. Steve Stockman (R-TX), one of the most vocal opponents of new gun control legislation following the Newtown, Conn., school massacre. But proponents of things like creating universal background checks and other gun regulations predicted on Monday that Nugent’s appearance will be a boon to their side and make it harder for gun rights advocates to make their case.

“If there’s better evidence that the NRA’s Washington lobbyists have lost their way, I can’t think of it,” Mark Glaze, director of New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg’s Mayors Against Illegal Guns, told TPM Monday. “They keep finding new ways to alienate their own members, which is a strange way to run a membership organization.”

Glaze and other gun control proponents often point to surveys of gun owners that showed broad support for expanded background checks, the chief post-Newtown goal of gun control advocates and a measure the NRA leadership opposes.

Nugent’s role as a political bomb thrower and an especially incendiary critic of President Obama gives him a strong gravitational pull for TV cameras covering the SOTU. And that means more coverage for Obama’s gun violence plan, according to gun control advocates.

“It definitely adds more coverage. And it’s going to play terribly for them,” Ladd Everitt, spokesperson for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence told TPM.

Gun control advocates have lobbied their allies in Congress to invite survivors of gun violence and their relatives to sit in the SOTU audience. USA Today reported about 20 will be in attendance. Michelle Obama is also hosting relatives of Hadiya Pendleton, a Chicago teen who was gunned down days after returning from the President’s inauguration, at the speech.

A spokesperson for Stockman’s office told DCist the congressman invited Nugent “because he is a supporter of the Second Amendment and American values.”

“We thought he would be a good representative,” spokesperson Donny Ferguson said.

But the juxtaposition between the group of survivors and a hardcore gun activist like Nugent during the SOTU is exactly what gun control advocates want.

“You’re going to have a guy who recently threatened the life of the President opposite over 20 survivors from some of our nation’s most gruesome episodes of gun violence,” Everitt said. “It’s heartless, and emblematic of just how radical the Republican Party has become on this issue.”

(Nugent was cleared by the Secret Service in April after he said he’d be “dead or in jail” if Obama was reelected.)

Nugent plans to make himself known at the SOTU, too, already promising to make comments to the press before and after the speech. Gun control advocates found it hard to contain their excitement.

“The country is having a once in a generation debate, and the NRA offers armed guards, Steve Stockman and Ted Nugent,” Glaze said. “They picked a strange moment to unilaterally disarm.”

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/02/ted-nugent-state-of-the-union-gun-control.php?ref=fpa

Yup...Any citizen that supports the Constitution and the Second Amendment certainly doesn't appear to have a place in Washington DC...

The only law that will affect the gun violence in this country will be the one that makes a crime committed with a firearm to be a capital crime.
Death by hanging after one appeal.
Too bad the lawyers in our Congress will NEVER allow it.

Lurch wrote:

newswatcher wrote:

Lurch wrote:http://www.lowgenius.net/post/2011/08/27/Ted-Nugent-Is-An-Enormous-Coward.aspx

ted is one of the biggest PoS's to walk the earth..
I feel bad about ever seeing his concerts..

Were all draft age males that had college deferements cowards?...In interviews Nugent has stated there were myths out there about reasons he did not serve in Vietnam and the truth he was in college...Now whether or not that was a correct procedure is another debate and certainly would cover thousands of individuals...but under that system if they proved that they were enrolled or been accepted into college and that was the rule...then it was legal...Again...not defending but if it's questioned there would be many politicians that would also be [to use your word] 'cowards ' and those folks actually vote on going to war even though they chose not too and that's another discussion....

he's a chickenhawk.. that makes him a bit different than a draft dodger..
he's also a child molester.. Lets see you defend that..

newswatcher wrote:
Were all draft age males that had college deferements cowards?...In interviews Nugent has stated there were myths out there about reasons he did not serve in Vietnam and the truth he was in college...Now whether or not that was a correct procedure is another debate and certainly would cover thousands of individuals...but under that system if they proved that they were enrolled or been accepted into college and that was the rule...then it was legal...Again...not defending but if it's questioned there would be many politicians that would also be [to use your word] 'cowards ' and those folks actually vote on going to war even though they chose not too and that's another discussion....

TEOTWAWKI wrote:17 is old enough to be called LEGAL...if you think that is too young what about Jerry Lee Lewis ?

Marriage to a minor

Lewis's turbulent personal life was hidden from the public until a May 1958 British tour where Ray Berry, a news agency reporter at London's Heathrow Airport (the only journalist present), learned about Lewis's third wife, Myra Gale Brown. She was Lewis's first cousin once removed and was only 13 years old at the time. (Brown, Lewis, and his management all insisted that she was 15.) Lewis was 22 years old. The publicity caused an uproar and the tour was cancelled after only three concerts.

Sal wrote:And this is what our political discourse has come to ...

What's the over/under on the number of infrared beads the Secret Service will have trained on this crackpot's noggin?

The gun rights community may not be doing itself any favors by giving Ted Nugent a seat at the State of the Union speech Tuesday night.

The outspoken rocker will be a guest of Rep. Steve Stockman (R-TX), one of the most vocal opponents of new gun control legislation following the Newtown, Conn., school massacre. But proponents of things like creating universal background checks and other gun regulations predicted on Monday that Nugent’s appearance will be a boon to their side and make it harder for gun rights advocates to make their case.

“If there’s better evidence that the NRA’s Washington lobbyists have lost their way, I can’t think of it,” Mark Glaze, director of New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg’s Mayors Against Illegal Guns, told TPM Monday. “They keep finding new ways to alienate their own members, which is a strange way to run a membership organization.”

Glaze and other gun control proponents often point to surveys of gun owners that showed broad support for expanded background checks, the chief post-Newtown goal of gun control advocates and a measure the NRA leadership opposes.

Nugent’s role as a political bomb thrower and an especially incendiary critic of President Obama gives him a strong gravitational pull for TV cameras covering the SOTU. And that means more coverage for Obama’s gun violence plan, according to gun control advocates.

“It definitely adds more coverage. And it’s going to play terribly for them,” Ladd Everitt, spokesperson for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence told TPM.

Gun control advocates have lobbied their allies in Congress to invite survivors of gun violence and their relatives to sit in the SOTU audience. USA Today reported about 20 will be in attendance. Michelle Obama is also hosting relatives of Hadiya Pendleton, a Chicago teen who was gunned down days after returning from the President’s inauguration, at the speech.

A spokesperson for Stockman’s office told DCist the congressman invited Nugent “because he is a supporter of the Second Amendment and American values.”

“We thought he would be a good representative,” spokesperson Donny Ferguson said.

But the juxtaposition between the group of survivors and a hardcore gun activist like Nugent during the SOTU is exactly what gun control advocates want.

“You’re going to have a guy who recently threatened the life of the President opposite over 20 survivors from some of our nation’s most gruesome episodes of gun violence,” Everitt said. “It’s heartless, and emblematic of just how radical the Republican Party has become on this issue.”

(Nugent was cleared by the Secret Service in April after he said he’d be “dead or in jail” if Obama was reelected.)

Nugent plans to make himself known at the SOTU, too, already promising to make comments to the press before and after the speech. Gun control advocates found it hard to contain their excitement.

“The country is having a once in a generation debate, and the NRA offers armed guards, Steve Stockman and Ted Nugent,” Glaze said. “They picked a strange moment to unilaterally disarm.”

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Sal wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:17 is old enough to be called LEGAL...if you think that is too young what about Jerry Lee Lewis ?

Marriage to a minor

Lewis's turbulent personal life was hidden from the public until a May 1958 British tour where Ray Berry, a news agency reporter at London's Heathrow Airport (the only journalist present), learned about Lewis's third wife, Myra Gale Brown. She was Lewis's first cousin once removed and was only 13 years old at the time. (Brown, Lewis, and his management all insisted that she was 15.) Lewis was 22 years old. The publicity caused an uproar and the tour was cancelled after only three concerts.

Lewis is a perv, and Ted has bragged repeatedly about how much he enjoys sex with underage girls.

newswatcher wrote:

Lurch wrote:http://www.lowgenius.net/post/2011/08/27/Ted-Nugent-Is-An-Enormous-Coward.aspx

ted is one of the biggest PoS's to walk the earth..
I feel bad about ever seeing his concerts..

Were all draft age males that had college deferements cowards?...In interviews Nugent has stated there were myths out there about reasons he did not serve in Vietnam and the truth he was in college...Now whether or not that was a correct procedure is another debate and certainly would cover thousands of individuals...but under that system if they proved that they were enrolled or been accepted into college and that was the rule...then it was legal...Again...not defending but if it's questioned there would be many politicians that would also be [to use your word] 'cowards ' and those folks actually vote on going to war even though they chose not too and that's another discussion....

Floridatexan wrote:

newswatcher wrote:

Lurch wrote:http://www.lowgenius.net/post/2011/08/27/Ted-Nugent-Is-An-Enormous-Coward.aspx

ted is one of the biggest PoS's to walk the earth..
I feel bad about ever seeing his concerts..

Were all draft age males that had college deferements cowards?...In interviews Nugent has stated there were myths out there about reasons he did not serve in Vietnam and the truth he was in college...Now whether or not that was a correct procedure is another debate and certainly would cover thousands of individuals...but under that system if they proved that they were enrolled or been accepted into college and that was the rule...then it was legal...Again...not defending but if it's questioned there would be many politicians that would also be [to use your word] 'cowards ' and those folks actually vote on going to war even though they chose not too and that's another discussion....

I don't think you'll find that the vast majority of people who were in college during those years supported the Vietnam War...actually it was called a "conflict" at that time. And the mandatory draft didn't really start until 1969. That's when the real fallout began...when the sons of the privileged were being called to war...and even then many of them managed to avoid Vietnam by getting assigned to other tours. Meanwhile, the word was spreading...nowhere more so than on college campuses where many Vietnam vets had already returned. That's why we had Kent State. That's why we have the so-called "War on Drugs". People who happened to be students during those turbulent years were not "cowards".

The mandatory draft started long before 69, better check your facts. Nugent is a bum and always will be whether I support the 2nd amendment or not.

doubtingthomas wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:

newswatcher wrote:

Lurch wrote:http://www.lowgenius.net/post/2011/08/27/Ted-Nugent-Is-An-Enormous-Coward.aspx

ted is one of the biggest PoS's to walk the earth..
I feel bad about ever seeing his concerts..

Were all draft age males that had college deferements cowards?...In interviews Nugent has stated there were myths out there about reasons he did not serve in Vietnam and the truth he was in college...Now whether or not that was a correct procedure is another debate and certainly would cover thousands of individuals...but under that system if they proved that they were enrolled or been accepted into college and that was the rule...then it was legal...Again...not defending but if it's questioned there would be many politicians that would also be [to use your word] 'cowards ' and those folks actually vote on going to war even though they chose not too and that's another discussion....

I don't think you'll find that the vast majority of people who were in college during those years supported the Vietnam War...actually it was called a "conflict" at that time. And the mandatory draft didn't really start until 1969. That's when the real fallout began...when the sons of the privileged were being called to war...and even then many of them managed to avoid Vietnam by getting assigned to other tours. Meanwhile, the word was spreading...nowhere more so than on college campuses where many Vietnam vets had already returned. That's why we had Kent State. That's why we have the so-called "War on Drugs". People who happened to be students during those turbulent years were not "cowards".

The mandatory draft started long before 69, better check your facts. Nugent is a bum and always will be whether I support the 2nd amendment or not.

doubtingthomas wrote:Ted received the notice before the draft lottery just like the rest of us did at that time. He will be 65 this December and I will be soon. I received mine in August or September of 66, I went and joined a different service. I had many wealthy friends that immediately signed up for college and were deferred and the some of the one's who didn't sign up for college had parents who knew the 3 man draft board in our city and someone didn't have to go.

newswatcher wrote:

The ethical/moral questions even go a bit further when it comes to the politicians that did this and then later voted to send others into harm's way....

newswatcher wrote:

The ethical/moral questions even go a bit further when it comes to the politicians that did this and then later voted to send others into harm's way....