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Are Obama’s early records “sealed”?

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Q: Are Obama’s early records “sealed”?

A: No. Many records that presidential candidates don’t ordinarily release do remain confidential, but they are not “sealed” by a court. The 16 claims in a widely distributed graphic are mostly false or distorted.

FULL ANSWER

This is an example of mostly old baloney in a new casing. It mainly recycles years-old falsehoods and insinuations, most of which we covered long ago, in connection with an earlier viral email.

But with President Barack Obama’s reelection campaign heating up, this new graphic has appeared on countless anti-Obama websites and in viral emails like the one we’ve reprinted here. Very little that it contains is new, and the old falsehoods have not improved with age.

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http://factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

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What was his GPA then during each place he attended school?

What was the status for his Fulbright Scholarship?

Why does he have a Connecticut SSN?

How many names does he have aside from Soetoro?

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PACEDOG#1 wrote:What was his GPA then during each place he attended school?

What was the status for his Fulbright Scholarship?

Why does he have a Connecticut SSN?

How many names does he have aside from Soetoro?

Probably the same questions asked by people that don't believe in background checks for gun purchases!!!!!

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PACEDOG#1 wrote:What was his GPA then during each place he attended school?

What was the status for his Fulbright Scholarship?

Why does he have a Connecticut SSN?

How many names does he have aside from Soetoro?


Probably the same questions asked by people that don't believe in background checks for gun purchases!!!!!

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othershoe1030

This is sort of off topic but I thought it was so funny...

Jimmy Kimmel did a joke about how there were going to be three floats in the inauguration parade this weekend. One from Hawaii to commemorate Obama's birth place. One from Illinois to honor his and Michelle's adopted state and one from Kenya, just to mess with the Republicans.

Is that funny or what?

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PACEDOG#1 wrote:What was his GPA then during each place he attended school?

What was the status for his Fulbright Scholarship?

Why does he have a Connecticut SSN?

How many names does he have aside from Soetoro?

ahhhhhhhhhhh nothing yet? hmmmm

Watcher

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PACEDOG#1 wrote:What was his GPA then during each place he attended school?

What was the status for his Fulbright Scholarship?

Why does he have a Connecticut SSN?

How many names does he have aside from Soetoro?

Why does he need to release his GPA?

He never went to Fulbright. He went to Occidental. And he never used the name Soetoro.

No Fulbright: Contrary to what this e-mail claims, Obama’s scholarship wasn’t a Fulbright. It’s true that many foreign students come to the U.S. under the Fulbright program, sponsored by the United States Department of State’s Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs. But Fulbrights for foreign students are primarily intended for graduate students studying for masters’ degrees or Ph.D. degrees, not for college freshmen and sophomores.
No “Soetoro”: Another false claim is that Obama attended and received financial aid “under the name Barry Soetoro,” using the surname of his Indonesian stepfather Lolo Soetoro.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/was-obama-born-in-the-usa/

FULL ANSWER

This is an example of mostly old baloney in a new casing. It mainly recycles years-old falsehoods and insinuations, most of which we covered long ago, in connection with an earlier viral email.

But with President Barack Obama’s reelection campaign heating up, this new graphic has appeared on countless anti-Obama websites and in viral emails like the one we’ve reprinted here. Very little that it contains is new, and the old falsehoods have not improved with age.

Nothing ‘Sealed’

The idea that any Obama record is “sealed” is a falsehood, to start. The word “sealed” when applied to documents ordinarily refers to records that would normally be public, but that a judge has ruled cannot be released without the court’s permission. Common examples of truly “sealed” documents include records of crimes committed as a juvenile or records of adoptions. None of the claims in this message refers to records actually “sealed” in that usual sense.

In some cases, the records this screed claims are “sealed” are actually public, and open for anyone to see. Other supposedly “sealed” records are normally private documents that Obama hasn’t released — and that other presidential candidates haven’t released either.


So as with earlier versions, this is little more than an attempt to raise suspicions by asking for records that aren’t ordinarily made public, without any evidence that those records contain anything derogatory. We’ll take the claims and questions in the order they appear.

Claims #1, 2 and 4, college records. Obama’s college records are not “sealed” by a court order, as this graphic would have you believe. It would be illegal under federal law (the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974) for Occidental, Columbia or Harvard Law School to give any former student’s records to reporters or members of the public without that person’s specific, written permission. Obama hasn’t released them, but neither have other presidential candidates released their college records. George W. Bush’s grades at Yale eventually became public, but only because somebody leaked them to the New Yorker magazine. Bush himself refused to release them, according to a 1999 profile in the Washington Post.
Claim #3, thesis paper. Obama did write a paper on nuclear disarmament for an honors course in American foreign policy during his senior year, but it wasn’t the sort of “thesis” that some colleges require for graduation and keep on file in their libraries, like those that Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama released. During the 2008 campaign, reporters were told that Columbia had not retained a copy of Obama’s 1983 paper, and that Obama didn’t have a copy, either. NBC News contacted his former professor, Michael Baron, who said he looked for his copy but couldn’t find it, and thought he probably tossed it out eight years earlier in a move.
NBC quoted Baron as saying the paper likely would have disappointed Obama’s critics. “The course was not a polemical course, it was a course in decision making and how decisions got made,” Baron told NBC. “None of the papers in the class were controversial.”
Claim #5, Selective Service registration. Obama’s Selective Service registration is public. A copy has been posted publicly, and the Selective Service confirmed that Obama registered for the draft on Sept. 4, 1980, and was given registration number 61-1125539-1.
Worth noting is that nobody in the U.S. has been drafted for military service since 1972, the year Obama turned 11. Obama, like other young men turning age 18 since then, was required to register on a standby basis, in case Congress ever resumes an active military draft. Failure to register is technically a crime, and disqualifies a man for federal student aid or from holding certain federal jobs.
Claim #6, medical records. During the 2008 campaign, Obama released summary medical information from his personal physician, who pronounced him to be in “excellent health” with routine test results for such things as cholesterol all within normal levels. (McCain, who is a cancer survivor and was 71 at the time, let reporters see his records for three hours to show he was cancer-free.)
Since taking office, Obama has followed the practice of earlier presidents. He released results of his first “periodic” physical exam on Feb. 28, 2010. Results of his second “periodic” exam were released Oct. 31, 2011. His physician described him as being “in excellent health and ‘fit for duty.’”
Claims #7 and 8, Illinois state Senate records. Obama’s voting record in the Illinois state Senate is a matter of public record, and about as far from being “sealed” as one can imagine. Reporters extensively went over his votes in 2008. Transcripts of Senate debates in which Obama took part while in office (1997 – 2004) can even be found online, at the website of the Illinois General Assembly.
Obama’s personal appointment calendar as a state senator may still be private — if it still exists — but we’ve seen nothing to suggest that would add much to what is already public. As president, Obama has released records of visitors to the White House (2.4 million so far). There are some exceptions. Personal information about visitors, such as Social Security numbers are not released. And there’s an exemption for “particularly sensitive” information, which might include a visit by a potential Supreme Court nominee, for example. But that’s still more disclosure than any previous president has made, by far.
Claim #9, law firm clients. It’s true that Obama has not released a list of the 30 or so clients for whom he worked personally while he was a lawyer with the firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill and Gallard in Illinois. He did routinely disclose the law firm’s entire client list while he was in the state Senate, however. And his campaign confirmed in 2008 several specific clients that Obama represented personally, when reporters asked about them. For example, he once represented the liberal group ACORN in a 1995 lawsuit against the state of Illinois, to make voter registration easier.
Claims #10 and 11, birth certificates. The claim that Obama’s birth certificate is “sealed” is pure nonsense. Copies of both the so-called “short” and “long” certificates have been released, and state officials in Hawaii have said repeatedly that Obama was born there in 1961 and is a “natural born American citizen.”
Claim #12, baptism record. If a paper record exists (and we’ve seen no evidence that it does), it would most likely show only what numerous, undisputed news accounts have stated: Obama was baptized in 1988 in Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. Obama was often seen in attendance at Wright’s church in the 20 years that followed. He was married there, and his two daughters were baptized there.
He remained a member even after some of Wright’s controversial sermons were given national attention in early 2008. When Obama reluctantly severed ties with Wright after weeks of controversy, it was a major news event. Obama and his family now attend St. John’s Episcopal Church, near the White House, though not on a regular basis.
Claim #13: Michelle Obama’s law license. It’s simply not true that the first lady “can no longer practice law as an attorney.” She could resume the practice of law any time she chooses. Both the president and his wife have voluntarily inactivated their Illinois law licenses, thereby avoiding a requirement to take continuing education classes and pay hundreds of dollars in annual fees, which is common for lawyers no longer actively practicing.
Claim #14, first ladies’ assistants. It’s true that the first lady has more than 20 on her staff, but that’s roughly the same as other recent first ladies. The claim that “other first ladies had only one” might conceivably be true of Martha Washington or Dolley Madison, but it’s certainly not true of Laura Bush or Hillary Clinton. Bush had at least 18 that we could count, and probably more with job titles that didn’t make the link clear. The White House has said Michelle Obama’s staff is the same size as Laura Bush’s was.
Claim #15, foreign student aid. The claim that Obama got “foreign student aid” is untrue. That wild falsehood began as an absurd April Fools’ Day hoax in 2009, which we quickly exposed.
Claim #16, Obama’s passport. There’s no reason to think Obama used anything but the then-current version of his U.S. passport when he traveled to Pakistan as a student in 1981. Some who questioned Obama’s birthplace made baseless claims that Pakistan had banned U.S. citizens from visiting in 1981, and speculated that he must have used an Indonesian passport. But they were quite wrong. There was no such travel ban. In fact, the New York Times published a travel piece that year describing the author’s own visit to Lahore, and the U.S. consul later wrote a letter to the Times saying he would “welcome an influx of Americans” and giving advice on how to make the journey.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

Chrissy wrote:ahhhhhhhhhhh nothing yet? hmmmm

You can post all of the internet email hoaxes you want but if you stick to the facts, you won't have to worry about all of the conspiratorial falsehoods you talk about all of the time. If you'd bother to read the links I posted, you'd see that what Pacedog is claiming is not true. But then again, it seems like you're afraid of facts.

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Does Peedog post anything that's true as well as some of the others? They dwell on misinformation and propaganda.

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Watcher,

One comment....because it blows the REST of your argument out of the water due to your inability to debate the FACTS or not repeat the lines from the Daily Kos.

Fulbright was not a college. It was a type of academic scholarship reserved for FOREIGN students ONLY. So if Barry was a citizen, how did he get that scholarship to pay for his schooling? Hmmmm. Can't wait for this answer.

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PACEDOG#1 wrote:Watcher,

One comment....because it blows the REST of your argument out of the water due to your inability to debate the FACTS or not repeat the lines from the Daily Kos.

Fulbright was not a college. It was a type of academic scholarship reserved for FOREIGN students ONLY. So if Barry was a citizen, how did he get that scholarship to pay for his schooling? Hmmmm. Can't wait for this answer.

You're correct. Fulbright is a scholarship and not a college.
Once again, though, I will quote from FACTCHECK.ORG, not the Daily Kos (which I don't read). Show me in that post where I quoted from the Daily Kos? Everything I quoted was from Factcheck.org.

No Fulbright: Contrary to what this e-mail claims, Obama’s scholarship wasn’t a Fulbright. It’s true that many foreign students come to the U.S. under the Fulbright program, sponsored by the United States Department of State’s Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs. But Fulbrights for foreign students are primarily intended for graduate students studying for masters’ degrees or Ph.D. degrees, not for college freshmen and sophomores.
No “Soetoro”: Another false claim is that Obama attended and received financial aid “under the name Barry Soetoro,” using the surname of his Indonesian stepfather Lolo Soetoro.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/was-obama-born-in-the-usa/

It looks like you are unwilling to debate the facts because you get your information from nefarious sources like emails that write lie upon lie. Stick to the facts. That's what Factcheck.org is for. I suggest you read what I actually posted instead of assuming what you don't really know. Your "facts" consist of quoting from The Blaze and World Net Daily.

Info on Factcheck:
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Fulbright Scholarship.

Deal with it liar. He was given one and now has sealed his records to ensure nobody can see the truth. Even a Cervantes St whore can read well enough to understand he has been pulling the wool over your eyes.

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Some posters on this forum are going to be so fun to watch over the next four years.......

Reminder to all: The inauguration of the COWH for his second term is this coming Monday. Be sure to watch!

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PACEDOG#1 wrote:Fulbright Scholarship.

Deal with it liar. He was given one and now has sealed his records to ensure nobody can see the truth. Even a Cervantes St whore can read well enough to understand he has been pulling the wool over your eyes.

What part of "Obama's scholarship wasn't a Fulbright" do you not understand,Peedog? LOL!

Nekochan

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Of course they're not sealed. He just hasn't released them.
Remember with Bush, liberals wanted all of his past records released, including his college grades, the score on his military entrance test, and all of his National Guard records. Dan Rather even put out fake records on Bush, didn't he, Z?

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:PZee and dreams suk on Obama

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The American people overwhelmingly supported President Obama, and all the innuendo and false emails only fired up the lunatic fringe, while responsible criticism of the first four years of his administration was lost in the noise of this nonsense. I swear the Obama campaign was responsible for some of this silliness to make all Republicans look fricking idiots......it is so patently false that the average American would simply think legitimate criticism of the President was more of the same........America is changing......and I heard today that 53% of Americans support a path to citizenship for gainfully employed illegal aliens with clean criminal records.....the Republican primary was so off the pulse of America....and with these email firing up folks....the House will be lost in 2014.

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Obama is going to burn up whatever political capital he has on the gun issue and there are many dems up for reelection in 2014 that are going down in flames because of it.

Slicef18

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Nekochan wrote:Of course they're not sealed. He just hasn't released them.
Remember with Bush, liberals wanted all of his past records released, including his college grades, the score on his military entrance test, and all of his National Guard records. Dan Rather even put out fake records on Bush, didn't he, Z?

It's worth noting the use of Bush material is acceptable when used by a Republican, conservative minded poster. Otherwise any mention of Bush is condemned.

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Slicef18 wrote:
Nekochan wrote:Of course they're not sealed. He just hasn't released them.
Remember with Bush, liberals wanted all of his past records released, including his college grades, the score on his military entrance test, and all of his National Guard records. Dan Rather even put out fake records on Bush, didn't he, Z?

It's worth noting the use of Bush material is acceptable when used by a Republican, conservative minded poster. Otherwise any mention of Bush is condemned.

are you kidding? Give me a dollar for every time bush has been blamed on this forum in the last 4 years.

and fyi.. the records are sealed becuase obama doesnt want them to be released. The media did thier job snooping on everyone else, but not obama. He got a pass on all kinds of OUTRAGEOUS SHIT!

This country is dead. The only thing I can hope for at this point is that when all the old hippies die off it will get better, but I know right behind me theres that young generation of new hippies. So my generation is stuck in between two generations of hippies.

I think at this point the only thing left to do is to live well and get yours while you can. You eventually either join the generation of "ME" or become the generation of "You got fucked".

on edit: all you retired people, you already got yours. so you dont apply to my statement. Be happy you got yours, you were probaly the last generation to do so.



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Slicef18

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PACEDOG#1 wrote:Obama is going to burn up whatever political capital he has on the gun issue and there are many dems up for reelection in 2014 that are going down in flames because of it.


This message is brought to you by one of those people who declared Obama to be a ONE AND DONE Presidency.

Slicef18

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Chrissy wrote:
Slicef18 wrote:
Nekochan wrote:Of course they're not sealed. He just hasn't released them.
Remember with Bush, liberals wanted all of his past records released, including his college grades, the score on his military entrance test, and all of his National Guard records. Dan Rather even put out fake records on Bush, didn't he, Z?

It's worth noting the use of Bush material is acceptable when used by a Republican, conservative minded poster. Otherwise any mention of Bush is condemned.

are you kidding? Give me a dollar for every time bush has been blamed on this forum in the last 4 years.

and fyi.. the records are sealed becuase obama doesnt want them to be released. The media did thier job snooping on everyone else, but not obama. He got a pass on all kinds of OUTRAGEOUS SHIT!

This country is dead. The only thing I can hope for at this point is that when all the old hippies die off it will get better, but I know right behind me theres that young generation of new hippies. So my generation is stuck in between two generations of hippies.

I think at this point the only thing left to do is to live well and get yours while you can. You eventually either join the generation of "ME" or become the generation of "You got fucked".

on edit: all you retired people, you already got yours. so you dont apply to my statement. Be happy you got yours, you were probaly the last generation to do so.

"are you kidding? Give me a dollar for every time bush has been blamed on this forum in the last 4 years."

Having a little trouble with reading comprehension or memory recall? Bush has been repeatedly blamed for the economy going south, being the first President to go to war and not raising taxes to pay for the war, cutting taxes while taking a country to war, Declaring he was going after Osama Bin Laden but turned right and attacked Iraq

Nekochan

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Slicef18 wrote:
Nekochan wrote:Of course they're not sealed. He just hasn't released them.
Remember with Bush, liberals wanted all of his past records released, including his college grades, the score on his military entrance test, and all of his National Guard records. Dan Rather even put out fake records on Bush, didn't he, Z?

It's worth noting the use of Bush material is acceptable when used by a Republican, conservative minded poster. Otherwise any mention of Bush is condemned.

You can say the same about Obama.
Really, there just needs to be some balance. The double standards are wrong.

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Slicef18 wrote:
Chrissy wrote:
Slicef18 wrote:
Nekochan wrote:Of course they're not sealed. He just hasn't released them.
Remember with Bush, liberals wanted all of his past records released, including his college grades, the score on his military entrance test, and all of his National Guard records. Dan Rather even put out fake records on Bush, didn't he, Z?

It's worth noting the use of Bush material is acceptable when used by a Republican, conservative minded poster. Otherwise any mention of Bush is condemned.

are you kidding? Give me a dollar for every time bush has been blamed on this forum in the last 4 years.

and fyi.. the records are sealed becuase obama doesnt want them to be released. The media did thier job snooping on everyone else, but not obama. He got a pass on all kinds of OUTRAGEOUS SHIT!

This country is dead. The only thing I can hope for at this point is that when all the old hippies die off it will get better, but I know right behind me theres that young generation of new hippies. So my generation is stuck in between two generations of hippies.

I think at this point the only thing left to do is to live well and get yours while you can. You eventually either join the generation of "ME" or become the generation of "You got fucked".

on edit: all you retired people, you already got yours. so you dont apply to my statement. Be happy you got yours, you were probaly the last generation to do so.

"are you kidding? Give me a dollar for every time bush has been blamed on this forum in the last 4 years."

Having a little trouble with reading comprehension or memory recall? Bush has been repeatedly blamed for the economy going south, being the first President to go to war and not raising taxes to pay for the war, cutting taxes while taking a country to war, Declaring he was going after Osama Bin Laden but turned right and attacked Iraq

yes, everything is bushes fault. I got that for the last 12 years. I suppose 4 more years from now it will still be bushes fault LOL

Rolling Eyes

Slicef18

Slicef18

Nekochan wrote:
Slicef18 wrote:
Nekochan wrote:Of course they're not sealed. He just hasn't released them.
Remember with Bush, liberals wanted all of his past records released, including his college grades, the score on his military entrance test, and all of his National Guard records. Dan Rather even put out fake records on Bush, didn't he, Z?

It's worth noting the use of Bush material is acceptable when used by a Republican, conservative minded poster. Otherwise any mention of Bush is condemned.

You can say the same about Obama.
Really, there just needs to be some balance. The double standards are wrong.


I agree 100 %

Slicef18

Slicef18

Chrissy wrote:
Slicef18 wrote:
Chrissy wrote:
Slicef18 wrote:
Nekochan wrote:Of course they're not sealed. He just hasn't released them.
Remember with Bush, liberals wanted all of his past records released, including his college grades, the score on his military entrance test, and all of his National Guard records. Dan Rather even put out fake records on Bush, didn't he, Z?

It's worth noting the use of Bush material is acceptable when used by a Republican, conservative minded poster. Otherwise any mention of Bush is condemned.

are you kidding? Give me a dollar for every time bush has been blamed on this forum in the last 4 years.

and fyi.. the records are sealed becuase obama doesnt want them to be released. The media did thier job snooping on everyone else, but not obama. He got a pass on all kinds of OUTRAGEOUS SHIT!

This country is dead. The only thing I can hope for at this point is that when all the old hippies die off it will get better, but I know right behind me theres that young generation of new hippies. So my generation is stuck in between two generations of hippies.

I think at this point the only thing left to do is to live well and get yours while you can. You eventually either join the generation of "ME" or become the generation of "You got fucked".

on edit: all you retired people, you already got yours. so you dont apply to my statement. Be happy you got yours, you were probaly the last generation to do so.

"are you kidding? Give me a dollar for every time bush has been blamed on this forum in the last 4 years."

Having a little trouble with reading comprehension or memory recall? Bush has been repeatedly blamed for the economy going south, being the first President to go to war and not raising taxes to pay for the war, cutting taxes while taking a country to war, Declaring he was going after Osama Bin Laden but turned right and attacked Iraq

yes, everything is bushes fault. I got that for the last 12 years. I suppose 4 more years from now it will still be bushes fault LOL

Rolling Eyes

So if you got that for the last 12 years, why did you say, Give me a dollar for every time bush has been blamed on this forum in the last 4 years."

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