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I guess I wil find out in 60 years I WAS RIGHT about 911 also...No Reason to A bomb Japan..except as a evil test.

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http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/10/the-real-reason-america-used-nuclear-weapons-against-japan-to-contain-russian-ambitions.html

Many other high-level military officers concurred. For example:

The commander in chief of the U.S. Fleet and Chief of Naval Operations, Ernest J. King, stated that the naval blockade and prior bombing of Japan in March of 1945, had rendered the Japanese helpless and that the use of the atomic bomb was both unnecessary and immoral. Also, the opinion of Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz was reported to have said in a press conference on September 22, 1945, that “The Admiral took the opportunity of adding his voice to those insisting that Japan had been defeated before the atomic bombing and Russia’s entry into the war.” In a subsequent speech at the Washington Monument on October 5, 1945, Admiral Nimitz stated “The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace before the atomic age was announced to the world with the destruction of Hiroshima and before the Russian entry into the war.” It was learned also that on or about July 20, 1945, General Eisenhower had urged Truman, in a personal visit, not to use the atomic bomb. Eisenhower’s assessment was “It wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing . . . to use the atomic bomb, to kill and terrorize civilians, without even attempting [negotiations], was a double crime.” Eisenhower also stated that it wasn’t necessary for Truman to “succumb” to [the tiny handful of people putting pressure on the president to drop atom bombs on Japan.]





When we didn’t need to do it, and we knew we didn’t need to do it, and they knew that we knew we didn’t need to do it, we used them as an experiment for two atomic bombs.




The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

"The scientists who had built the atomic bomb were gleeful when they received
the news of its success at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In the book, Robert
Oppenheimer, Dark Prince, by Jack Rummel, 1992, we find, p.96, "Back in the
United States the news of the bombing of Hiroshima was greeted with a mixture of
relief, pride, joy, shock and sadness. Otto Frisch remembers the shouts of joy,
'Hiroshima has been destroyed!' 'Many of my friends were rushing to the
telephone to book tables at the La Fonda Hotel in Santa Fe in order to
celebrate. Oppenheimer walked around "like a prizefighter, clasping his hands
together above his head as he came to the podium"."


One theory is that scientists like to play with their toys:

On September 9, 1945, Admiral William F. Halsey, commander of the Third Fleet, was publicly quoted extensively as stating that the atomic bomb was used because the scientists had a “toy and they wanted to try it out . . . .” He further stated, “The first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment . . . . It was a mistake to ever drop it.”

Markle

Markle

I guess I wil find out in 60 years I WAS RIGHT about 911 also...No Reason to A bomb Japan..except as a evil test. Conspiraloon

knothead

knothead

I give little to no credence to this as a 'story'. It was used rightfully and properly to bring the war to a merciful end for the Allies who would have suffered tens of thousands of casualties in taking Japan 'the old fashioned way.' They got what they deserved . . . . . remember Pearl Harbor!

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Whatever the theory is I don't think there's any question that it's the proof that dick cheney and the joos blew up the world trade center and fired a missile into the pentagon.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

I see Larry, Curly and Markle put their two cents in without reading the story....

Nekochan

Nekochan

But they still did not surrender after Hiroshima.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

I guess all the Generals and Einstein were wrong....READ THE FRICKEN ARTICLE....

Nekochan

Nekochan

Japan had the chance to surrender after Hiroshima but didn't. I think, even after Nagasaki, it took them a week to surrender.

Guest


Guest

Nekochan is right. The Japanese, even after Hiroshima, refused to surrender. Then after Nagasaki, they had to pause and reflect which is almost astounding. There was no recourse but to use a nuke or two....or invade the mainland which would have caused 4 to 5 times the casualties just on our side alone. America didn't start that war, but we damn sure finished it.

Nekochan

Nekochan

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Nekochan is right. The Japanese, even after Hiroshima, refused to surrender. Then after Nagasaki, they had to pause and reflect which is almost astounding. There was no recourse but to use a nuke or two....or invade the mainland which would have caused 4 to 5 times the casualties just on our side alone. America didn't start that war, but we damn sure finished it.

This is an issue near and dear to my heart. I love Japan. I have dear Japanese friends. I have talked with my Japanese friends who had family die during the war. There were a lot of deaths of civilians during the war due to malnutrition because the Japanese government took care of their military but their civilians were suffering. The Japanese people suffered greatly during that war and they suffered on a level that civilians in the US did not suffer during the war. It is uncalled for what their government did to their own people. But the Japanese government also caused unimaginable suffering and the killing of millions of people throughout Asia in the years leading up to WW2. Simply stated, they were ruthless and evil in their actions against China, the PI, Korea, etc. As to the bombing of Pearl Harbor, Japan had its reasons--good reasons, in fact--from their standpoint, anyway. The US had cut them off from everything. So I understand why they bombed Pearl Harbor. But they still had to be stopped from their rampage across Asia. I am 100% sure that millions of people died needlessly back in the 30s and 40s --from Europe thoughout the Pacific. And that's horrible. But in the end, what happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki lies squarely on the shoulders of the actions of the Japanese government.

knothead

knothead

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Nekochan is right. The Japanese, even after Hiroshima, refused to surrender. Then after Nagasaki, they had to pause and reflect which is almost astounding. There was no recourse but to use a nuke or two....or invade the mainland which would have caused 4 to 5 times the casualties just on our side alone. America didn't start that war, but we damn sure finished it.


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Thank you for agreeing with me. This position previously posted.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Well the Japanese were ready to concede way before the bombings but we demanded they give up their emperor as part of the concession and that was like us renouncing our faith....A couple more weeks of blockade and they were finished anyway according to high level sources but your fear of being in a country that is full of Psychopathic murdering assholes is greater than your want of the truth I see...here is a little admonishment from the Bible ...



Proverbs 18:13

13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

Nekochan

Nekochan

It's easy to look back and decide who was right and wrong. But I will just say that Japan was not innocent. Japan killed tens of millions of people in the 1930s. Also, the Japanese were not known to just give up and surrender. In fact, in Japanese culture, it's better to kill yourself rather than to surrender. So I do not think it's a stretch to say that many of our leaders back then thought that Japan would fight to the last person and it took TWO bombs to turn them around on the matter.



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General Douglas MacArthur agreed (pg. 65, 70-71):

<blockquote>MacArthur’s views about the decision to drop the atomic
bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were starkly different from what the
general public supposed …. When I asked General MacArthur about
the decision to drop the bomb, I was surprised to learn he had not even
been consulted. What, I asked, would his advice have been? He replied
that he saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb.

The war might have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States
had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution
of the emperor.
</blockquote>

Nekochan

Nekochan

TEOTWAWKI wrote:General Douglas MacArthur agreed (pg. 65, 70-71):

<blockquote>MacArthur’s views about the decision to drop the atomic
bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were starkly different from what the
general public supposed …. When I asked General MacArthur about
the decision to drop the bomb, I was surprised to learn he had not even
been consulted. What, I asked, would his advice have been? He replied
that he saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb.

The war might have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States
had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution
of the emperor.
</blockquote>

MacArthur is and was respected in Japan.
But the decision to bomb was not his to make.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

General Curtis LeMay, the tough cigar-smoking Army Air Force “hawk,” stated publicly shortly before the nuclear bombs were dropped on Japan:

<blockquote>The war would have been over in two weeks. . . . The atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war at all.


Don't let the opinions of the greatest generals admirals and scientists of the day get in the way of your opinion....

</blockquote>

Nekochan

Nekochan

Teo, the US was not evil as you portray. Even if wrong about the bombings (and I do not think we were) our government did warn people before the bombs were dropped. The Japanese government brought every bit of misery and death onto themselves and their people.



http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/primary-resources/truman-leaflets/

http://www.damninteresting.com/ww2-america-warned-hiroshima-and-nagasaki-citizens/

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

I studied at Kent State after I got out of the Navy to become a Journalist. In my history class the professor stated that the bomb didn't need to be dropped that the war was essentially over. I jumped down that professors throat with both feet. I was just back from Vietnam and full of anger and he was a perfect target for me to vent on. I told him every bit of the BS you all are throwing at me....then I went and read and studied it for myself and found the truth. I never got the chance to apologize to that professor but I should have..He was right and I was a brainwashed automaton...but no more..

knothead

knothead

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Well the Japanese were ready to concede way before the bombings but we demanded they give up their emperor as part of the concession and that was like us renouncing our faith....A couple more weeks of blockade and they were finished anyway according to high level sources but your fear of being in a country that is full of Psychopathic murdering assholes is greater than your want of the truth I see...here is a little admonishment from the Bible ...



Proverbs 18:13

13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

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Teo, Call me Curly but I knew the answer without having to read the article. They refused an "unconditional surrender" so we busted two caps on them. We can debate whether it was the right or proper course but that trying to rewrite history and do so looking in the rear view mirror. America was fatigued with war and was anxious to avoid, if possible, the agony of taking the mainland from a determined population. It was brutal but as Neko alluded to it saved countless American lives so I support Truman's decision and without reservation.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Nekochan wrote:Teo, the US was not evil as you portray. Even if wrong about the bombings (and I do not think we were) our government did warn people before the bombs were dropped. The Japanese government brought every bit of misery and death onto themselves and their people.



http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/primary-resources/truman-leaflets/

http://www.damninteresting.com/ww2-america-warned-hiroshima-and-nagasaki-citizens/


Like the Devil you have a little truth swirling in a lie....but how else can you continue to spread the love bombs of the American war machine in good conscience unless you serve your master the Devil...for he was a murderer from the beginning....


New International Version (©1984)
You
belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your
father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to
the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his
native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.



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Nekochan

Nekochan

TEOTWAWKI wrote:I studied at Kent State after I got out of the Navy to become a Journalist. In my history class the professor stated that the bomb didn't need to be dropped that the war was essentially over. I jumped down that professors throat with both feet. I was just back from Vietnam and full of anger and he was a perfect target for me to vent on. I told him every bit of the BS you all are throwing at me....then I went and read and studied it for myself and found the truth. I never got the chance to apologize to that professor but I should have..He was right and I was a brainwashed automaton...but no more..

It is not BS that the Japanese people were warned before the bombings, that their culture said that it's better to die rather than surrender, and that their government at the time was responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of innocent people.

Nekochan

Nekochan

TEOTWAWKI wrote:
Nekochan wrote:Teo, the US was not evil as you portray. Even if wrong about the bombings (and I do not think we were) our government did warn people before the bombs were dropped. The Japanese government brought every bit of misery and death onto themselves and their people.



http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/primary-resources/truman-leaflets/

http://www.damninteresting.com/ww2-america-warned-hiroshima-and-nagasaki-citizens/


Like the Devil you have a little truth swirling in a lie....but how else can you continue to spread the love bombs of the American war machine in good conscience unless you serve your master the Devil...for he was a murderer from the beginning....


New International Version (©1984)
You
belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your
father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to
the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his
native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

A little truth--as compared to your whole suitcase filled with conspiracy theories portraying the US as always being on the wrong side of things and of being even evil in all its actions?

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Remain in your ignorance to salve your useless consciences seared by a hot iron....


Speaking lies in hypocrisy: having their
conscience seared with a hot iron:

Nekochan

Nekochan

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Remain in your ignorance to salve your useless consciences seared by a hot iron....


Speaking lies in hypocrisy: having their
conscience seared with a hot iron:
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OK, Teo. Have a nice day.

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