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Trump to push for delay on census in wake of Supreme Court ruling

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Floridatexan

Floridatexan


resident rump on Thursday said that he is asking his administration to temporarily delay the 2020 census in light of the Supreme Court ruling blocking the question for the time being.

"I have asked the lawyers if they can delay the Census, no matter how long, until the United States Supreme Court is given additional information from which it can make a final and decisive decision on this very critical matter," Trump said in a series of tweets, suggesting that his officials will look to provide another reason to be able to ask about citizenship status on the survey.

"Can anyone really believe that as a great Country, we are not able the ask whether or not someone is a Citizen. Only in America!"

The Supreme Court earlier Thursday ruled 5-4 against the Trump administration over the census citizenship question, finding that the official reasoning for the question was not in line with evidence presented in the case.

The justices, in a majority opinion authored by Chief Justice John Roberts, sent the matter back to the Commerce Department to provide a reasoning more aligned with the evidence.

The justices also sent the case back down to a lower court for further proceedings.

A delay in the census would be a significant drain on resources, as the survey is often planned years in advance. And the Trump administration has argued in court filings that it needs to start printing materials by Sunday in order to get the census out in time — a claim the president has indicated he is now willing to abandon, having lost in court.

Delaying the census could also spur additional legal challenges, as the Constitution mandates that a census be conducted every 10 years.

The Trump administration had argued that the question was needed to enforce the Voting Rights Act. But opponents of the question said asking about citizenship would cause non-citizens and immigrants to skip the question or the census altogether, leading to an inaccurate count of the population.

"Several points, considered together, reveal a significant mismatch between the decision [Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross] made and the rationale he provided," Roberts wrote in the opinion issued Thursday.

He, in particular, noted that Ross — whose agency oversees the census — had indicated an interest in asking about citizenship on the 2020 survey early into his tenure. And Roberts wrote that the Justice Department, which enforces the Voting Rights Act, appeared to be more interested in "helping the Commerce Department than to securing the data."

Trump is currently in Japan for the Group of 20 summit. He sent the tweet about 2:30 a.m. local time.

The president has previously tweeted in support of the citizenship question. He tweeted on April 1 that the survey would be "meaningless" without the question, and later wrote that the "American people deserve to know who is in this Country."

That last message also stood in contrast to the administration's legal argument that the citizenship question is needed to enforce the voting law.

https://thehill.com/regulation/450692-trump-to-push-for-delay-of-census-in-wake-of-supreme-court-ruling?fbclid=IwAR32LIQ8eplQCwqjGjnmrHVKbAG0kX3rAwpi_N7Jb8k5v7DQUzL_EBAoWLQ

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bigdog



Article One, Section two of the Constitution mandates a census every 10 years . For Trump to delay it would be a direct violation of the Constitution and would absolutely have to lead to impeachment. That's not to say he won't try. It's just one more nail in his coffin if Congress ever decides to do its job.

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

Why shouldn’t it be asked?

bigdog



Why shouldn't the citizenship question be asked? Well, the Supreme Court has said it shouldn't, so that makes it illegal.
And if Trump asks to delay the census beyond 10 years, that violates the Constitution.

The court may have been ready to rule the question allowable until evidence was admitted that proved it was a political ploy by some in the Republican party to undercount members of the populace (not citizens, the count is about numbers in the populace and not just citizens.) It would have decreased the population, therefore the representation, of large, urban states like Cali and New York while keeping the numbers correct for the red states where not so many minorities live. Since larger, urban states, tend toward being blue, it was a scheme put forward by the Republicans, just like gerrymandering is. The court isn't there to suit one party over the other, at least that's not what they are supposed to do. John Roberts saw it that way. Then he screwed democracy with his decision on gerrymandering.


To put it simply, if you are here right now and are brown and not a citizen, you don't want any census taker knocking on your door. Not if he can ask you that question. But you still exist in America and have to be counted.

PkrBum

PkrBum

It already asks about Hispanic origin and race. Both are invasive imo if citizenship isn't a consideration. It also asks for your age and phone number which can easily be used to identify you. So it's already beyond a head count.

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

I agree!

bigdog



I'm going to surprise you both with this answer. I don't think it should ask about racial background either. I don't think the question of what race you are should be on employment applications, on forms you fill out at the doctor's office, or on forms you fill out for the census bureau.  I don't think it should be part of school records or of public records of any kind.
If race were not a part of all our records, it would be much more difficult to gerrymander districts, it would be much more difficult to fund certain areas of a state above others, etc.
I'd love to see a ruling stating that race is no longer a part of any public record in this country.


One argument against this would be that it would eliminate affirmative action programs. Not necessarily. Those programs could be based on income instead of race.
It would definitely eliminate a lot of the games that are played by our government today in selecting voters for candidates instead of candidates by voters.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

bigdog wrote:I'm going to surprise you both with this answer. I don't think it should ask about racial background either. I don't think the question of what race you are should be on employment applications, on forms you fill out at the doctor's office, or on forms you fill out for the census bureau.  I don't think it should be part of school records or of public records of any kind.
If race were not a part of all our records, it would be much more difficult to gerrymander districts, it would be much more difficult to fund certain areas of a state above others, etc.
I'd love to see a ruling stating that race is no longer a part of any public record in this country.


One argument against this would be that it would eliminate affirmative action programs. Not necessarily. Those programs could be based on income instead of race.
It would definitely eliminate a lot of the games that are played by our government today in selecting voters for candidates instead of candidates by voters.

There are reasons to ask those questions at the doctor's office. And there were, and probably still are, reasons for affirmative action.

Deus X

Deus X

Trump to push for delay on census in wake of Supreme Court ruling QlMGIfz

zsomething



The census is used to see how many people are here. They're trying to co-opt it for other purposes for which it wasn't intended, such as law enforcement. It would give census takers the ability to influence who stays here and who doesn't. That's not legal, nor should it be.

RealLindaL



I'm not even certain the Hispanic/Latino question IS on the full census.  It's found on the abbreviated American Community Survey, a random sampling conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau a number of months back; I received one as may have some of you.

Here's the explanation of why it's asked on the ACS.   Some may find it enlightening.  It has nothing to do with citizenship:

Why We Ask Questions About Hispanic or Latino Origin

In any case, zsomething is correct; the census is intended to measure total population residing in the U.S., regardless of citizenship status.

PkrBum

PkrBum

It's as if y'all don't understand what the census determines to our representative govt.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

PkrBum wrote:It's as if y'all don't understand what the census determines to our representative govt.

It's as if those noises in your head are synapses firing.

PkrBum

PkrBum

Floridatexan wrote:
PkrBum wrote:It's as if y'all don't understand what the census determines to our representative govt.

It's as if those noises in your head are synapses firing.

It must be very confusing in your head. You rail against foriegn influence in our elections but don't mind illegal aliens being counted to interfere in our elections. Next you'll be for illegals being allowed to vote... you just haven't been told you are yet.

Telstar

Telstar

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Floridatexan

Floridatexan

PkrBum wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
PkrBum wrote:It's as if y'all don't understand what the census determines to our representative govt.

It's as if those noises in your head are synapses firing.

It must be very confusing in your head. You rail against foriegn influence in our elections but don't mind illegal aliens being counted to interfere in our elections. Next you'll be for illegals being allowed to vote... you just haven't been told you are yet.

Have you heard of the guest worker program? How about legal aliens? What about Kobach's quest to find illegal voters? How did that pan out? It appears I'm not the one who can't discern reality. (And it's "foreign".)

gatorfan



This thread is a joke. It's obvious some people here have no clue why the census is so important. Just because it's used in part to apportion federal money and structure the House of Representatives apparently means nothing to certain people with a particular left-leaning agenda....after all they LOVE having illegals influence our political system. As long as it's to the left...for free stuff.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


2020 Census to be printed without citizenship question

WASHINGTON (AP) — Days after the U.S. Supreme Court halted the addition of a citizenship question to the 2020 Census, the U.S. Census Bureau has started the process of printing the questionnaire without the controversial query.

Trump administration attorneys notified parties in lawsuits challenging the question that the printing of the hundreds of millions of documents for the 2020 counts would be starting, said Kristen Clarke, executive director of the National Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law.

Justice Department spokeswoman Kelly Laco confirmed Tuesday there would be “no citizenship question on 2020 census.”

Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said that while he respected the Supreme Court’s decision, he strongly disagreed with it.

“The Census Bureau has started the process of printing the decennial questionnaires without the question,” Ross said in a statement. “My focus, and that of the Bureau and the entire Department is to conduct a complete and accurate census.”

President Donald Trump had said after the high court’s decision last week that he would ask his attorneys about possibly delaying next spring’s decennial census until the Supreme Court could revisit the matter, raising questions about whether printing of the census materials would start as planned this month.

For months, the Trump administration had argued that the courts needed to decide quickly whether the citizenship question could be added because of the deadline to starting printing materials this week.

On Twitter Tuesday night, Trump wrote that the Supreme Court ruling marked a “very sad time for America.” He also said he had asked the Commerce and Justice departments “to do whatever is necessary to bring this most vital of questions, and this very important case, to a successful conclusion.” He did not elaborate.

Even though the Census Bureau is relying on most respondents to answer the questionnaire by Internet next year, hundreds of millions of printed postcards and letters will be sent out next March reminding residents about the census, and those who don’t respond digitally will be mailed paper questionnaires.

“The Supreme Court’s ruling left little opportunity for the administration to cure the defects with its decision to add a citizenship question and, most importantly, they were simply out of time given the deadline for printing forms,” Clarke said in an email.

Opponents of the citizenship question said it would discourage participation by immigrants and residents who are in the country illegally, resulting in inaccurate figures for a count that determines the distribution of some $675 billion in federal spending and how many congressional districts each state gets.

The Trump administration had said the question was being added to aid in enforcement of the Voting Rights Act, which protects minority voters’ access to the ballot box. But in the Supreme Court’s decision, Chief Justice John Roberts joined the court’s four more liberal members in saying the administration’s current justification for the question “seems to have been contrived.”

Democratic mayors and governors opposed to the question argued that they’d get less federal money and fewer representatives in Congress if the question was asked because it would discourage the participation of minorities, primarily Hispanics, who tend to support Democrats.

Attorneys general for two of the largest states controlled by Democrats praised the decision to abandon the citizenship question.

“While the Trump Administration may have attempted to politicize the census and punish cities and states across the nation, justice prevailed, and the census will continue to remain a tool for obtaining an accurate count of our population,” said New York Attorney General Letitia James.

While praising the question’s disappearance, California Attorney General Xavier Becerra warned that the Trump administration had underfunded the Census Bureau, making it difficult to count hard-to-reach communities.

“It’s an investment of time and resources that we have not seen, and this administration is dragging its feet,” Becerra said.

Top congressional Democrats hailed Tuesday’s news. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called it “a welcome development for our democracy,” while Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer promised his party “will be watching the Trump administration like a hawk to ensure there is no wrong-doing throughout this process and that every single person is counted.”

Dale Ho, who argued the Supreme Court case as director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s Voting Rights Project, said, “Everyone in America counts in the census, and today’s decision means we all will.”

https://www.apnews.com/9193a30c38c345a88997020b6b958d9f?utm_term=OZY&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PDB_07032019

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gatorfan



Floridatexan wrote:
2020 Census to be printed without citizenship question

WASHINGTON (AP) — Days after the U.S. Supreme Court halted the addition of a citizenship question to the 2020 Census, the U.S. Census Bureau has started the process of printing the questionnaire without the controversial query.

Trump administration attorneys notified parties in lawsuits challenging the question that the printing of the hundreds of millions of documents for the 2020 counts would be starting, said Kristen Clarke, executive director of the National Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law.

Justice Department spokeswoman Kelly Laco confirmed Tuesday there would be “no citizenship question on 2020 census.”

Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said that while he respected the Supreme Court’s decision, he strongly disagreed with it.

“The Census Bureau has started the process of printing the decennial questionnaires without the question,” Ross said in a statement. “My focus, and that of the Bureau and the entire Department is to conduct a complete and accurate census.”

President Donald Trump had said after the high court’s decision last week that he would ask his attorneys about possibly delaying next spring’s decennial census until the Supreme Court could revisit the matter, raising questions about whether printing of the census materials would start as planned this month.

For months, the Trump administration had argued that the courts needed to decide quickly whether the citizenship question could be added because of the deadline to starting printing materials this week.

On Twitter Tuesday night, Trump wrote that the Supreme Court ruling marked a “very sad time for America.” He also said he had asked the Commerce and Justice departments “to do whatever is necessary to bring this most vital of questions, and this very important case, to a successful conclusion.” He did not elaborate.

Even though the Census Bureau is relying on most respondents to answer the questionnaire by Internet next year, hundreds of millions of printed postcards and letters will be sent out next March reminding residents about the census, and those who don’t respond digitally will be mailed paper questionnaires.

“The Supreme Court’s ruling left little opportunity for the administration to cure the defects with its decision to add a citizenship question and, most importantly, they were simply out of time given the deadline for printing forms,” Clarke said in an email.

Opponents of the citizenship question said it would discourage participation by immigrants and residents who are in the country illegally, resulting in inaccurate figures for a count that determines the distribution of some $675 billion in federal spending and how many congressional districts each state gets.

The Trump administration had said the question was being added to aid in enforcement of the Voting Rights Act, which protects minority voters’ access to the ballot box. But in the Supreme Court’s decision, Chief Justice John Roberts joined the court’s four more liberal members in saying the administration’s current justification for the question “seems to have been contrived.”

Democratic mayors and governors opposed to the question argued that they’d get less federal money and fewer representatives in Congress if the question was asked because it would discourage the participation of minorities, primarily Hispanics, who tend to support Democrats.

Attorneys general for two of the largest states controlled by Democrats praised the decision to abandon the citizenship question.

“While the Trump Administration may have attempted to politicize the census and punish cities and states across the nation, justice prevailed, and the census will continue to remain a tool for obtaining an accurate count of our population,” said New York Attorney General Letitia James.

While praising the question’s disappearance, California Attorney General Xavier Becerra warned that the Trump administration had underfunded the Census Bureau, making it difficult to count hard-to-reach communities.

“It’s an investment of time and resources that we have not seen, and this administration is dragging its feet,” Becerra said.

Top congressional Democrats hailed Tuesday’s news. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called it “a welcome development for our democracy,” while Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer promised his party “will be watching the Trump administration like a hawk to ensure there is no wrong-doing throughout this process and that every single person is counted.”

Dale Ho, who argued the Supreme Court case as director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s Voting Rights Project, said, “Everyone in America counts in the census, and today’s decision means we all will.”

https://www.apnews.com/9193a30c38c345a88997020b6b958d9f?utm_term=OZY&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PDB_07032019

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Floridatexan

Floridatexan


Sal

Sal

Trump to push for delay on census in wake of Supreme Court ruling Giphy

Trump folds up like a cheap lawn chair.

zsomething



Now Trump's tricked his right-wingers and "libertarians" into cheerleading the government scanning all sorts of data to compile a list of "illegals"...

...and anyone else they'd like a list of.

Trusting little sheeplings wandering down the chute, thinking something wonderful's at the end of it when all that awaits 'em is a shiny hook.

polecat

polecat

If we really want an accurate count of undocumented workers in the US, the census question should read, “Do you work at Mar-a-Lago?” - Andy Borowitz


RealLindaL



polecat wrote:If we really want an accurate count of undocumented workers in the US, the census question should read, “Do you work at Mar-a-Lago?” - Andy Borowitz


lol! lol! lol!

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