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"OMG, My presidency is over. I'm fucked"

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bigdog



http://www.abcbusinessnews.com/2019/04/im-fucked-trumps-initial-reaction-to-learning-of-special-counsel-investigation/

Yep. We now know how many people he ordered to break the law for him. A lot of them flat out refused, and a lot of them just did not follow through. Otherwise, the Mueller report would have been derailed. He obstructed justice, flat out.
Mueller only did not recommend an indictment because he felt Congress should "handle it." That's impeachment words, nothing else.

PkrBum

PkrBum

An aide said... that sessions said... that trump said... Rolling Eyes

bigdog



They said it in a legal proceeding, under oath, under penalty of perjury. Hey, I gave you a link from one of the way right-wing websites because I figured you'd say it was all bull if I posted it from CNN. Not to mention they said it knowing that if it ever came out, they would face the total wrath of the Orange creep in the White House.

This is not close to finished. Jerry Nadler did not say today that he would not push for impeachment. He did not rule it out.  Miss Nancy may have a revolution if she tries to keep the youngsters in the house from using their powers this time around. No, he won't be convicted, but there will be handcuffs waiting for him if he is voted out in 2020. That would be such a beautiful sight. Lock Him UP!

bigdog



BTW, I just checked on the process to impeach. Neither Nancy Pelosi nor the Republican head, Hoyer, in the house, has anything to say about whether it happens.
First step is independent investigation- Completed, that's the Mueller report
Report reviewed by the house Judiciary committee for reasons to impeach. That's going on now.
Articles of Impeachment are drafted by the House of Representatives Judiciary committee.
The witnesses are sent subpoenas, and it all begins.

Nancy Pelosi's opinion means nothing. Jerry Nadler's is the only opinion that matters. We'll see what happens.
At any rate, the report proves there was no witch hunt there. The Russians interfered in our election and there were contacts between the Trump campaign and the Russians about the e-mails. There just was not enough evidence to charge anyone. Read the report.

PkrBum

PkrBum

I did. No Russian collusion. Not that I expect the leftist ruling elite to admit that they mislead useful idiots.

This is and was politics. Malicious politics. Trying to undermine the election and the potus.

bigdog



There never was going to be any collusion, since that has never been a legal term any prosecutor would use.
The report did not show that there were no contacts between the Trump team and the Russians. In fact, it shows just the opposite. The Russians did offer help but the Trump bunch was such a bunch of clowns they couldn't even properly conspire with the Russians against Hillary. It wasn't for lack of effort but in the long run, it just didn't happen.
As far as saying "this Russia thing" is a hoax and Trump's denials that the Russians interfered in our election, that has now been proven to be a total lie. The Russia thing was very real, it was directed at Hillary ONLY, and Putin wanted Trump in the White House. Trump can no longer ever say the Russians did not help him get elected.
In the end of these things, it's always about the cover up. Mueller says Trump did try to obstruct justice and the only reason he failed is that so many people who worked for him refused to obey his orders. Mueller left it up to congress what to do about it. That's in the report. So now it's congress turn. Remember, Richard Nixon was about obstruction of justice. He did not break into the Watergate himself. Bill Clinton's impeachment was about obstructing justice by lying to Congress over Monica lewensky. It was not about the act of sex. It's always the cover-up. And Mueller listed at least 11 solidly proven instances of attempts to end the Russia investigation and obstruct Justice. It's impeachment time. Dems won't be happy if it does not happen, I can tell you that much.

RealLindaL



bigdog wrote:It's impeachment time. Dems won't be happy if it does not happen, I can tell you that much.

But unfortunately it'll never happen because the Trump cultists absolutely won't go for impeachment in the Senate.  Right now, based just on the Mueller report, impeachment won't rise even close to the threshold of bipartisan agreement.  I had brief hopes for whatever other investigations are going on into Trump corruption, but the more I see and hear the more I think Trump was right way back when he said he could shoot someone and nobody would care.  It SUCKS that this defective, dishonest excuse for a man is somehow (inexplicably!!) so widely admired and even loved (OMG!!), but there you are. What it is, it is.

The ONLY hope we have is 2020, and heaven help us if his opponent is Bernie Sanders or another "Socialist Democrat" type.

Telstar

Telstar

RealLindaL wrote:
bigdog wrote:It's impeachment time. Dems won't be happy if it does not happen, I can tell you that much.

But unfortunately it'll never happen because the Trump cultists absolutely won't go for impeachment in the Senate.  Right now, based just on the Mueller report, impeachment won't rise even close to the threshold of bipartisan agreement.  I had brief hopes for whatever other investigations are going on into Trump corruption, but the more I see and hear the more I think Trump was right way back when he said he could shoot someone and nobody would care.  It SUCKS that this defective, dishonest excuse for a man is somehow (inexplicably!!) so widely admired and even loved (OMG!!), but there you are. What it is, it is.

The ONLY hope we have is 2020, and heaven help us if his opponent is Bernie Sanders or another "Socialist Democrat" type.






So what Dem candidates do you consider "Socialist Democrat" types?

polecat

polecat

-"Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I’m f*cked.

--I'll take "Things innocent people don't say" for 100, Alex.
- Randi Singer


"OMG, My presidency is over. I'm fucked" D4dd8w10

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

polecat wrote:-"Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I’m f*cked.

--I'll take "Things innocent people don't say" for 100, Alex.
- Randi Singer


"OMG, My presidency is over. I'm fucked" D4dd8w10

To me, this is an illegitimate, very compromised administration. There are plenty of ugly threads for Democrats to follow up on. DJT has been exposed as the mob boss that he is. I venture to say that most Americans are not lawyers but most Americans have an image of what sorts of behaviors they expect from their president. DJT has been exposed with one event after another to not be functioning as a president should.

It may eventually come to a vote to impeach in the House. Public hearings must be held to flesh out details of Trump's behavior in order to build public opinion for impeachment. Public pressure must be put on members of the Senate to vote for conviction. Without a conviction Trump will run as a victim of monumental proportions in the 2020 race and will be re-elected. We can't stand another Trump term, period.

The best we can hope for is for constant hearings from now until the election so it becomes crystal clear that this man should not spend one more day than is absolutely necessary in the WH.

Deus X

Deus X

The BEST we can hope for is that he and his entitled brat kids are hounded by lawsuits to the end of their days.  

He's right, his Presidency IS effectively over.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Deus X wrote:The BEST we can hope for is that he and his entitled brat kids are hounded by lawsuits to the end of their days.  

He's right, his Presidency IS effectively over.

Hounded by lawsuits and do some time? (the kids) Not that HE doesn't deserve it, but can the system strike a balance between overlooking all the wrong-doing and behaving like a banana republic?

RealLindaL



Telstar wrote:
So what Dem candidates do you consider "Socialist Democrat" types?

It's not who/what I think, Tel, but what the voters think. Obviously that will include Sanders, since he calls himself that, and probably, by association, any other candidate who adheres closely to his proposed platform -- again, in the eyes of the VOTERS.

It all has to do with PERCEPTION -- including as to the "Socialist" label itself, which is still toxic with so many. The Republicans will glom onto that and repeat it AD INFINITUM in their campaign ads, and it WILL do a lot of damage, I think we can be assured.

Deus X

Deus X

RealLindaL wrote: The Republicans will glom onto that and repeat it AD INFINITUM in their campaign ads, and it WILL do a lot of damage, I think we can be assured.

Not if Democrats pull up their big-boy pants and vigorously explain the difference between Nordic-model Social Democracy and Marxist Socialism.

So far, they're nothing but a bunch of pathetic fuckin' pussies!

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Getting back to the impeachment question, let's not forget that there are between 10 and 20 cases passed on from the Mueller team to various jurisdictions along the east coast. None of the Mueller report touched on all of DJT's financial entanglements. The investigation of that aspect of his "empire" has not been fully explored.

Maxine Waters has subpoenaed documents from Deutsche Bank and the SDNY is also going into his tax returns. It would be unbelievable, given his reputation for shady business practices, to think that there is not enough wrong-doing to further taint his image.

We don't need to impeach him to get rid of him; we just need to turn enough people away from him to allow us to elect a normal person from the Democratic Party to take the WH in 2020.

As has been pointed out during the discussions of the findings in the Mueller report, if it hadn't been for several people in DJT's inner circle failing to follow through on several of his directives, he would have been in much more trouble now had they carried out his orders.  

bigdog



RealLindaL wrote:
bigdog wrote:It's impeachment time. Dems won't be happy if it does not happen, I can tell you that much.

But unfortunately it'll never happen because the Trump cultists absolutely won't go for impeachment in the Senate.  Right now, based just on the Mueller report, impeachment won't rise even close to the threshold of bipartisan agreement.  I had brief hopes for whatever other investigations are going on into Trump corruption, but the more I see and hear the more I think Trump was right way back when he said he could shoot someone and nobody would care.  It SUCKS that this defective, dishonest excuse for a man is somehow (inexplicably!!) so widely admired and even loved (OMG!!), but there you are. What it is, it is.

The ONLY hope we have is 2020, and heaven help us if his opponent is Bernie Sanders or another "Socialist Democrat" type.
   

I understand everything that you are saying, and I don't disagree with it, but I feel like if Congress does not impeach Donald Trump over these obstruction charges, we no longer will have any control over any future presidents. I honestly don't care if it divides Americans more, because I don't believe that is even possible right now. I have never seen this country so divided, not even in the 60's with desegregation and  the Vietnam war.  No one is going to change their vote over impeachment. Trump hasn't been just obstructive, he's been totally lawless and no American should ever be allowed to get by with what he's done. Congress has a duty to impeach when a POTUS breaks the law, and not doing it makes them totally worthless. It also makes all the efforts of 2018's election useless. All those people were not elected to let DJT get by with his shit.  Not that I'm a big fan of some of the very impatient new house members, but I hope they succeed this time in making something happen. Plus- YOU CANNOT DEPEND ON THE 2020 election either, I know Trump won't be convicted, but he can go down in history as having been impeached, and I'll guarantee you, he does not want that.


And, to othershoe, I'm afraid there aren't enough Trump voters out there that can be turned away from him anymore. What's left supporting him are people who will support anything he does. I think most of the "normal" people who voted for him have already realized what he is. My sister is an example. She is a fundie Christian, who only voted for him due to the abortion issue. She now says she has had it with him and his policies. Her Obamacare premiums went up, and her tax refund was less. The normal people have already left him. He only has the most insane fundies and racists left. Not a one of them will ever change. That's what I think, anyway.



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RealLindaL



Deus X wrote:Not if Democrats pull up their big-boy pants and vigorously explain the difference between Nordic-model Social Democracy and Marxist Socialism.

You REALLY think that can be explained to and/or comprehended by the great unwashed who make up the average American voter?   Dream on, dear sir. The stigma will stick and stick, and the Republicans will have little trouble making sure of that.

I wish I were wrong. I don't think I am.



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RealLindaL



bigdog wrote:
RealLindaL wrote:
bigdog wrote:It's impeachment time. Dems won't be happy if it does not happen, I can tell you that much.

But unfortunately it'll never happen because the Trump cultists absolutely won't go for impeachment in the Senate.  Right now, based just on the Mueller report, impeachment won't rise even close to the threshold of bipartisan agreement.  I had brief hopes for whatever other investigations are going on into Trump corruption, but the more I see and hear the more I think Trump was right way back when he said he could shoot someone and nobody would care.  It SUCKS that this defective, dishonest excuse for a man is somehow (inexplicably!!) so widely admired and even loved (OMG!!), but there you are. What it is, it is.

The ONLY hope we have is 2020, and heaven help us if his opponent is Bernie Sanders or another "Socialist Democrat" type.
   

I understand everything that you are saying, and I don't disagree with it, but I feel like if Congress does not impeach Donald Trump over these obstruction charges, we no longer will have any control over any future presidents. I honestly don't care if it divides Americans more, because I don't believe that is even possible right now. I have never seen this country so divided, not even in the 60's with desegregation and  the Vietnam war.  No one is going to change their vote over impeachment. Trump hasn't been just obstructive, he's been totally lawless and no American should ever be allowed to get by with what he's done. Congress has a duty to impeach when a POTUS breaks the law, and not doing it makes them totally worthless. It also makes all the efforts of 2018's election useless. All those people were not elected to let DJT get by with his shit.  Not that I'm a big fan of some of the very impatient new house members, but I hope they succeed this time in making something happen. Plus- YOU CANNOT DEPEND ON THE 2020 election either, I know Trump won't be convicted, but he can go down in history as having been impeached, and I'll guarantee you, he does not want that.

Bigdog, I totally get what you're saying, but I'm strictly looking at the political realities, including the very real possibility that impeachment could backfire big time, most especially because yes, we can't count on what will happen in 2020. If Trump is impeached by the House but manages to get re-elected anyway, what kind of message does THAT send to all future presidents, I ask you, and what does it say about the power of the Democratic party??

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

RealLindaL wrote:
Deus X wrote:Not if Democrats pull up their big-boy pants and vigorously explain the difference between Nordic-model Social Democracy and Marxist Socialism.

You REALLY think that can be explained to and/or comprehended by the great unwashed who make up the average American voter?   Dream on, dear sir.  The stigma will stick and stick, and the Republicans will have little trouble making sure of that.  

I wish I were wrong.  I don't think I am.

All decisions, to a certain extent are based on emotion. When it comes to trying to campaign on Nordic style socialism, I'd say that is a lost cause. All the Republicans have to do is to throw up video footage of riots, long lines at grocery stores, etc. and no amount of "educational material" regarding Nordic socialism will tip that scale.

I agree that most people who are going to leave DJT over his actions in office have already done so. I think we have to continue to emphasize his shady practices in a steady stream of stories and repeat how he is a scoundrel on every level.

Look at how the Rep's. milked the Bengazi pseudo trial of Hillary for months and months. We've got to get better at hammering home the message that Trump is unworthy, a law breaker, a criminal (?) while at the same time presenting our plans to lead the country back to a normal place in the world. We need to repair our relationship with our allies and re-establish our role in the world.

Given the total disaster that this administration has been, good god, if we can't beat him in 2020 something is very wrong.

Perhaps we could play up the fact that the only reason DJT is president is because he got help from the Russians. One might ask if he and his re-election team plan to pow wow with them again?  

bigdog



Problem is, Donald Trump's whole campaign in 2016 was a disaster, but we could not beat him then either. I would not be surprised at all to see him win in 2020, particularly if the Dems nominate someone who is barely qualified and who has a far left agenda.

My point isn't even about the election. It's about the duty of our Congress to act to protect the American government from someone exactly like Donald Trump. He has obviously committed obstruction of justice. It isn't even all that close a call. Saying we should be able to beat him is nice, but if all the Dems do the next 18 months is sit on their asses when they have the power to destroy the Trump name in history, then it becomes a question to me of whether we deserve to win at all.
If our representatives are going to do nothing because they are Democrats (and therefore, scared of losing) maybe we need an entire overhaul of the party. Problem is, the overhaul that I see coming isn't one the middle of America will accept either.
All I know is any great football team wins when they play to win and when they expect to win. They never, ever win when they are just trying not to lose. That's the difference in the two parties today.

PkrBum

PkrBum

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/04/19/opinions/mueller-report-obama-jennings/index.html

And don't forget the IG report out next month. The dossier to DOJ to FBI to Obama's WH as we know that they were unmasking surveillance at a minimum. It'll be an interesting read although we know the media will ignore it. But it should lay out the whole attempt to fraudulently surveil the opposition campaign and then undermine the presidency with poison fruit. Tick tock... good luck comrades.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

PkrBum wrote:https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/04/19/opinions/mueller-report-obama-jennings/index.html

And don't forget the IG report out next month. The dossier to DOJ to FBI to Obama's WH as we know that they were unmasking surveillance at a minimum. It'll be an interesting read although we know the media will ignore it. But it should lay out the whole attempt to fraudulently surveil the opposition campaign and then undermine the presidency with poison fruit. Tick tock... good luck comrades.

Still carrying water, I see, for the person who didn't get your vote, supposedly. Pathetic loser.

Sal

Sal

I read the report.

It is ...

A.  A determination that the Trump campaign was too stupid and too incompetent to rise to the level of co-conspirators in the Russian efforts to undermine the election.  The report concluded that the campaign was just the useful and idiotic benefactors of Russian interference.

and ...

B.  A referral to Congress for impeachment of the President of the United States for at least 10 instances of obstructing justice.

Not a good look for team Trump, regardless of how furiously they spin it.

Perilous times.

PkrBum

PkrBum

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/04/19/us/politics/steele-dossier-mueller-report.amp.html

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

This is a a last-ditch effort to save Drumpf...and the Republicans who accepted foreign money from the NRA, which we know was compromised by the Russians.  The dossier was described as "raw data"...not verifiable and not intended to be taken as bona fide.  But the behavior of the orange menace and republicons in Congress makes it clear that they're in CYA mode, and have been since long before the compromised election of 2016.  And Drumpf is an asshole who has been engaged in fraud throughout his pathetic life.  This is a person(?) with malignant narcissism, which requires constant lying to maintain the carefully crafted facade of invulnerability.  He's set our country on a path of destruction, and it's time he was taken down and thrown out with the rest of the swamp slime he brought with him.

"OMG, My presidency is over. I'm fucked" Trump-swamp

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