BIDEN KICKED ASS!

Dreamsglore wrote:No,he was sick of all the repug lies and ridiculous accusations being made. He was very convincing.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Biden didn't help his ticket last night. The smiling and smirking and cutting in on Ryan's time did not help him. I wish Ryan had been a little more assertive in standing his ground when he was interrupted, but at least he didn't show his ass like Biden did. Ryan held his own pretty well, without being rude.

Biden helped his ticket greatly. We found out some things like the benghazi affair that the repugs refused extra security while bashing Obama afterwards for not getting it. Not to mention Ryan asked for that stimulus money citing job growth that he criticized so fiercely.He looked bad for that.

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Biden didn't help his ticket last night. The smiling and smirking and cutting in on Ryan's time did not help him. I wish Ryan had been a little more assertive in standing his ground when he was interrupted, but at least he didn't show his ass like Biden did. Ryan held his own pretty well, without being rude.

Biden helped his ticket greatly. We found out some things like the benghazi affair that the repugs refused extra security while bashing Obama afterwards for not getting it. Not to mention Ryan asked for that stimulus money citing job growth that he criticized so fiercely.He looked bad for that.

Just what did we find out about Benghazi? The order for more security was refused by Assistant Secretary of State Charlene Lamb(An Obama appointee and works directly for Hillary Clinton).

BIDEN: "Well, we weren't told they wanted more security there. We did not know they wanted more security again. And by the way, at the time we were told exactly — we said exactly what the intelligence community told us that they knew. That was the assessment. And as the intelligence community changed their view, we made it clear they changed their view."

RYAN: "There were requests for more security."

THE FACTS: Ryan is right, judging by testimony from Obama administration officials at the hearing a day earlier.

Charlene R. Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary for diplomatic security, told lawmakers she refused requests for more security in Benghazi, saying the department wanted to train Libyans to protect the consulate. "Yes, sir, I said personally I would not support it," she said.

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Biden didn't help his ticket last night. The smiling and smirking and cutting in on Ryan's time did not help him. I wish Ryan had been a little more assertive in standing his ground when he was interrupted, but at least he didn't show his ass like Biden did. Ryan held his own pretty well, without being rude.

Biden helped his ticket greatly. We found out some things like the benghazi affair that the repugs refused extra security while bashing Obama afterwards for not getting it. Not to mention Ryan asked for that stimulus money citing job growth that he criticized so fiercely.He looked bad for that.

Just what did we find out about Benghazi? The order for more security was refused by Assistant Secretary of State Charlene Lamb(An Obama appointee and works directly for Hillary Clinton).

BIDEN: "Well, we weren't told they wanted more security there. We did not know they wanted more security again. And by the way, at the time we were told exactly — we said exactly what the intelligence community told us that they knew. That was the assessment. And as the intelligence community changed their view, we made it clear they changed their view."

RYAN: "There were requests for more security."

THE FACTS: Ryan is right, judging by testimony from Obama administration officials at the hearing a day earlier.

Charlene R. Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary for diplomatic security, told lawmakers she refused requests for more security in Benghazi, saying the department wanted to train Libyans to protect the consulate. "Yes, sir, I said personally I would not support it," she said.

Dreamsglore wrote:
Vice President Joe Biden said Ryan is in no position to argue about diplomatic security, arguing that Ryan, in Congress, didn't provide all the embassy security funding that the Obama administration asked for. Biden also contended that the administration knew of no requests for more security at the Benghazi mission.

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:
Vice President Joe Biden said Ryan is in no position to argue about diplomatic security, arguing that Ryan, in Congress, didn't provide all the embassy security funding that the Obama administration asked for. Biden also contended that the administration knew of no requests for more security at the Benghazi mission.

So are we to believe that since Charlene Lamb knew about it that the top level administrators did not know. Yeah right! An I got some prime ocean front property in Arizona that I will sell you real cheap.

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:
Vice President Joe Biden said Ryan is in no position to argue about diplomatic security, arguing that Ryan, in Congress, didn't provide all the embassy security funding that the Obama administration asked for. Biden also contended that the administration knew of no requests for more security at the Benghazi mission.

So are we to believe that since Charlene Lamb knew about it that the top level administrators did not know. Yeah right! An I got some prime ocean front property in Arizona that I will sell you real cheap.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:
Vice President Joe Biden said Ryan is in no position to argue about diplomatic security, arguing that Ryan, in Congress, didn't provide all the embassy security funding that the Obama administration asked for. Biden also contended that the administration knew of no requests for more security at the Benghazi mission.

So are we to believe that since Charlene Lamb knew about it that the top level administrators did not know. Yeah right! An I got some prime ocean front property in Arizona that I will sell you real cheap.

They asked for more funds for security and were refused so what don't you get about that? Who is responsible for the lack of funds to put more security there? Why would they tell them when there was no funds?

PkrBum wrote:who does the state department report to?

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:
Vice President Joe Biden said Ryan is in no position to argue about diplomatic security, arguing that Ryan, in Congress, didn't provide all the embassy security funding that the Obama administration asked for. Biden also contended that the administration knew of no requests for more security at the Benghazi mission.

So are we to believe that since Charlene Lamb knew about it that the top level administrators did not know. Yeah right! An I got some prime ocean front property in Arizona that I will sell you real cheap.

They asked for more funds for security and were refused so what don't you get about that? Who is responsible for the lack of funds to put more security there? Why would they tell them when there was no funds?

We aren't talking about funding we are talking about asking for more security prior to the attack.

Biden's own words last night.

"Well, we weren't told they wanted more security there. We did not know they wanted more security again.

Dreamsglore wrote:Oh lord,yes he did! He debunked every one of those petty ass complaints by the repugs. Ryan sounded like a robodoll repeating all the right wing talking points.Good job,Joe!

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:
So are we to believe that since Charlene Lamb knew about it that the top level administrators did not know. Yeah right! An I got some prime ocean front property in Arizona that I will sell you real cheap.

salinsky wrote:

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:
So are we to believe that since Charlene Lamb knew about it that the top level administrators did not know. Yeah right! An I got some prime ocean front property in Arizona that I will sell you real cheap.

Do you actually believe that a security request from a U.S. consulate ends up on the President's desk?
Did you buy that beachfront timeshare in Arizona?

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:

salinsky wrote:

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:
So are we to believe that since Charlene Lamb knew about it that the top level administrators did not know. Yeah right! An I got some prime ocean front property in Arizona that I will sell you real cheap.

Do you actually believe that a security request from a U.S. consulate ends up on the President's desk?
Did you buy that beachfront timeshare in Arizona?

I believe what Harry Truman said, "The bucks stops here." Top echelon did not know that extra security had been requested, but knew within hours after the attack that it was in retaliation to a spoof movie? Yeah right! Now you and dreams can start your bidding on my Arizona property.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:

salinsky wrote:

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:
So are we to believe that since Charlene Lamb knew about it that the top level administrators did not know. Yeah right! An I got some prime ocean front property in Arizona that I will sell you real cheap.

Do you actually believe that a security request from a U.S. consulate ends up on the President's desk?
Did you buy that beachfront timeshare in Arizona?

I believe what Harry Truman said, "The bucks stops here." Top echelon did not know that extra security had been requested, but knew within hours after the attack that it was in retaliation to a spoof movie? Yeah right! Now you and dreams can start your bidding on my Arizona property.

Believe what you want,Ghost.Not everything happens the way you think it should.

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:

salinsky wrote:

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:
So are we to believe that since Charlene Lamb knew about it that the top level administrators did not know. Yeah right! An I got some prime ocean front property in Arizona that I will sell you real cheap.

Do you actually believe that a security request from a U.S. consulate ends up on the President's desk?
Did you buy that beachfront timeshare in Arizona?

I believe what Harry Truman said, "The bucks stops here." Top echelon did not know that extra security had been requested, but knew within hours after the attack that it was in retaliation to a spoof movie? Yeah right! Now you and dreams can start your bidding on my Arizona property.

nochain wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:

salinsky wrote:

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:
So are we to believe that since Charlene Lamb knew about it that the top level administrators did not know. Yeah right! An I got some prime ocean front property in Arizona that I will sell you real cheap.

Do you actually believe that a security request from a U.S. consulate ends up on the President's desk?
Did you buy that beachfront timeshare in Arizona?

I believe what Harry Truman said, "The bucks stops here." Top echelon did not know that extra security had been requested, but knew within hours after the attack that it was in retaliation to a spoof movie? Yeah right! Now you and dreams can start your bidding on my Arizona property.

Believe what you want,Ghost.Not everything happens the way you think it should.

FREE PASS ALERT! FREE PASS ALERT! FREE PASS ALERT!

According to you hypocrites everything that happened when Bush was President was his fault including climate change, the dog that got hit by a car down the street, and poor little Aunt Chiles missing her bus to work on that rainy Monday. Too weird.

Dreamsglore wrote:
Believe what you want,Ghost.Not everything happens the way you think it should.

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:
Believe what you want,Ghost.Not everything happens the way you think it should.

So in essence you are saying then is the budget is more important than the lives of our people who serve on foreign soil. If people's lives are at stake as they were in Libya, a budget should not be an excuse for not protecting these servants.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:
Believe what you want,Ghost.Not everything happens the way you think it should.

So in essence you are saying then is the budget is more important than the lives of our people who serve on foreign soil. If people's lives are at stake as they were in Libya, a budget should not be an excuse for not protecting these servants.

Apparently the republicans didn't think they were too important.Where's your blame to them? Biden said they weren't asked.If you think the President does everything and knows every thing you don't know much.

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:
I believe what Harry Truman said, "The bucks stops here."

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:
Believe what you want,Ghost.Not everything happens the way you think it should.

So in essence you are saying then is the budget is more important than the lives of our people who serve on foreign soil. If people's lives are at stake as they were in Libya, a budget should not be an excuse for not protecting these servants.

Apparently the republicans didn't think they were too important.Where's your blame to them? Biden said they weren't asked.If you think the President does everything and knows every thing you don't know much.

I would not expect him to admit it even if he did know about it, however I find in ridiculous that the President of the United States did not know about something as important as this.

All of this back and forth bantering is useless anyway because you aren't not going to change my mind and I certainly am not going to change yours.

As far as not knowing too much, all I'll say is my father spent his whole life working for the State Department, so growing up I did have have first hand knowledge, regardless of what you believe.