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Trump regret syndrome is spreading like a wildfire as reality finally sets in

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JARED YATES SEXTON, SALON
18 JUL 2018 AT 16:25 ET

"I just kept watching,” a Republican acquaintance told me in disbelief. “And I just kept waiting, and waiting, and waiting for him to do something. Anything. I yelled, ‘Stand up for your country, for the love of God!’ And nothing. Not even a peep.”

This article was originally published at Salon

As a serving member in a state Republican Party organization, my acquaintance has taken a great amount of grief over the past three years. When Donald Trump first arrived on the political scene in 2015, he urged his colleagues to hear the billionaire mogul out. He appreciated the tough talk on immigration, the no-nonsense attitude that both differed from regular politicians and dared put them in their place. He thought Trump might not be the worst response to the Barack Obama presidency, which he considered weak and conciliatory.

After Trump wrested away control of the party from the GOP establishment, my acquaintance bought a Make America Great Again hat and slapped a Trump/Pence sticker on his car’s bumper. He met the nominee as a delegate to the Republican National Convention in Cleveland and rolls his eyes when his liberal colleagues and relatives post their Robert Mueller fantasies on social media. He’s stood by Trump when he criticized Gold Star families, waffled on condemning the neo-Nazis who rioted in Charlottesville and, until this week, has never so much as considered the possibility Trump had colluded with Russia.

“I’ve had it,” he said. “There is some shit I will not eat. I’m done apologizing for Donald J. Trump. Done.”

This repudiation was earned after Monday’s disastrous press conference in Helsinki, where President Trump stood side-by-side with Russian President Vladimir Putin, a despot who has cracked down on his citizens’ individual freedoms and has quite likely ordered the murders of dissidents, journalists and political opponents. It was bad enough, my acquaintance fumed, that Trump didn’t challenge Putin’s record, but the coup de grâce came when the president criticized U.S. intelligence agencies’ assertion that Russia interfered with our elections and instead supported Putin’s denial of meddling.

That disbelief echoed throughout the Republican Party on Tuesday, even as Trump half-heartedly tried to claim he had misspoken — an entirely typical non-denial denial. Trump supporters and critics alike struggled to wrap their heads around his bizarre display of deference to a tyrannical foreign leader. Republican congressional staffers told me privately they were still trying to come to terms with what had taken place in Helsinki. Some told me their worst suspicions had been realized, while Trumpian true believers wrestled with emerging doubt.

“It’s already been a long week,” one said, “and it’s only Tuesday.”

This sudden skepticism, in those I’ve talked to, has its roots in the indefensibility of Trump’s performance, which was either a gross display of international domination or something more sinister. Fox News, which has made a living defending Trump and exulting his every decision, even featured audible dismay as host Neil Cavuto called the display “disgusting,” a sentiment seconded by Shepard Smith, who went as far as to call it “shameful.”

Diehard Trump supporters like former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and former Rep. Joe Walsh were equally dismayed. Gingrich demanded that Trump clarify his comments and Walsh called the president’s performance “un-American.”

The rank and file of the Republican Party spoke out in similar disbelief. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., offered the strongest criticism, calling it “one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in history.” Accompanying his statement were the usual concerned messages from the likes of Marco Rubio, Bob Corker, Jeff Flake, Lindsey Graham, and House Speaker Paul Ryan, the entire lot of them seemingly realizing, as the day played out, that their pursuit of electoral power and legislative agenda had tied them to a very large stone that was sinking very quickly.

* * *

In the summer of 2016 I found myself sweltering in Houston. I was attending the Green Party National Convention, a haphazard affair that was far more disorganized and thrown-together than I could have ever imagined. When I walked up to the media table the volunteers couldn’t find my press badge, so they handed me a blank one and a Sharpie to make my own, without ever bothering to check my identification.

The Greens were busy fighting among themselves in the small college auditorium where they held their national gathering. There were several candidates for the presidential nomination that Dr. Jill Stein was destined to win. Each of them was taking their allotted time to push their agendas and settle old scores. In their seats the Greens around me were handicapping the presidential contest between Trump and Hillary Clinton, but still hoping that Clinton might get knocked out before November and get replaced by Bernie Sanders, her defeated rival.

The impetus for this entirely imaginary upheaval would be the now-legendary 30,000 emails belonging to Clinton that have now seemingly been lost to time. Among her most devout critics it was widely rumored and believed that these emails would eventually be uncovered and might contain incriminating evidence that would disqualify her from office. These revelations were rumored to include massive financial fraud, gross neglect of duty and possibly proof of a conspiracy involving the Clintons and the terrorist group ISIS.

Members were buzzing with this gossip when a projector turned on and WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange appeared via an internet chat system. Assange, currently holed up in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, spoke as a special guest of the Green Party at its convention and repeatedly lambasted Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party, likening the former senator and secretary of state to a sexually transmitted disease. While he spoke members of the crowd shouted to his projected face, asking if he was in possession of “the emails.”

Before Stein gave her address to the convention as their presidential nominee, she was quoted as saying there was “no question” that Assange was a hero. This declaration was, strangely enough, in line with an about face the Republican Party was having with Assange, after WikiLeaks had released stolen Democratic National Committee emails that cast doubt on the organization’s fairness in the primary campaign between Clinton and Sanders.

Loudest in his reversal was Fox News heavyweight Sean Hannity, who interviewed Assange and told him that “Part of me, in the beginning, was conflicted about you.” But following the DNC leaks, Hannity now applauded Assange and wished him well, saying, “I do hope you get free one day and wish you the best.”

This past Friday, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein announced that 12 Russians associated with that nation’s military intelligence were being charged with conspiring to meddle in the 2016 presidential election. Many of the charges resulting from the hacker known as Guccifer 2.0 passing the DNC emails to Assange and WikiLeaks. The indictments made clear, however, that Guccifer 2.0 was in fact a Russian front.

In their haste to condemn their political rival Hillary Clinton, both the Green Party and conservatives like Sean Hannity were quick to align with Assange. Recent developments have clearly painted the DNC leaks in a much more sinister light and could possibly lead to future charges against Assange, WikiLeaks or both.

Political opposition can make bizarre bedfellows. The Green Party, so long focused on far-left causes and environmental protectionism, was chanting “Lock her up! lock her up!” like the crowd at a Trump rally. Sean Hannity, a self-proclaimed patriot and Reaganite, was more than willing to praise a shady info-radical who was happy to compromise American goals as long as he had the goods on the Democratic Party. Now, with the passage of time and new evidence that has come to light, perhaps the shine has come off these new partnerships.

Or maybe not.

Asked for comment on the indictments, both Jill Stein and the Green Party declined to be direct.

Stein’s office replied with the following statement: “Whether or not these allegations are ultimately proven in a court of law, we hope that Congress will take decisive action to improve cybersecurity and protect our elections from potential threats, foreign or domestic – as we have been urging for over a year and a half.”

The Green Party’s statement reads this way: “We are not backpedaling from our support of transparent and ethical government.”

Neither Stein nor the Greens would comment whether they regretted Assange’s inclusion in the 2016 Green Party convention in light of last week’s indictments. Stein would not say whether she still considered Assange a hero.

Sean Hannity did not respond to my requests for comment.

* * *

In conversations I’ve had with people who worked on the 2016 Trump campaign, the one topic that always comes up is regret. Occasionally someone will tell me he wishes he had suggested this policy or this talking point, the type of mulligan that all campaign staffers always carry with them. But mostly it comes back to the decision to join the campaign in the first place.

Almost to a person, former Trump campaign staffers tell me they regret tying themselves to Donald Trump for a myriad of reasons. Some have found it nearly impossible to find another job in politics as the brand itself has spoiled. They even find it difficult to get work in the private sector as the stink of Trump travels with them. It’s a problematic stigma to carry, especially for younger people who joined the campaign because it was an upstart operation that most political veterans were wary of from the start, meaning there was a vacuum they could fill and finally get their feet in the door.

Some joined purely to get that experience. Others believed Trump simply had no chance to win. They expected he’d drop out sometime after the Iowa caucuses and either release his staff to be absorbed by winning campaigns or else carry them off to a Trump-owned cable news operation that had been rumored for months.

But something happened: Trump gained momentum.

With every misstep, experts and pundits predicted his demise. Many on his staff hoped that would eventually come. They had never agreed with him politically, and had had seen their campaign veer into truly troubling territory.

“There came a point,” one member of the early Trump team recalled, “where you look in the mirror and you don’t know who’s staring back anymore.”

It’s a sentiment, I can only imagine, that many Republicans — and others who have compromised their principles in the service of ambition and anger — can certainly empathize with, as the heavy stone sinks deeper with every passing day.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/trump-regret-syndrome-spreading-like-wildfire-reality-finally-sets/?comments=disqus

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zsomething



On Twitter I'm noticing those creepy Trump cultists that reply fawningly to everything Trump says have been scarce or silent all week. There are some things even the hardest-core cultists can't defend anymore.

Really, the only reason anybody'd even try to defend Trump's Helsinki performance is if they're so deep into the cult that they pretty much need medication to function, or if they're just trolling and trying to get a rise out of people by pretending that what he did was even remotely defensible, much less "good."

Russian bots tried to create this "walkaway" thing on YouTube and Twitter, where supposedly Democrats are turning on the party, but the reality of that's been small -- a couple dozen attention-seekers getting retweeted over and over to make it look like a real thing. The real "walkaway" is people backing away from the GOP. When you're losing people like Max Boot, Bill Kristol, Ana Navarro, etc., that's an open artery. That party's weakened, and it's going to be bled out before too long.

The real "walkaway" will be when Southern republicans figure out that all their loyalty to the GOP has gotten them nothing but held back behind the rest of the country... but it may still be a while before they get there. Southerners are stubborn. But, I see more of them wising up every year, while the ignorant old farts die off. Texas will be blue in a few more elections.

2seaoat



The Dixiecrats crept into the Republican Party as the sun was setting on Jim Crow.  The traditional main street Republicans loved it because they were keeping the white house and getting tax breaks, but when the party started evolving to the Dixiecrat Party, traditional Republicans could not buy into the dark evil take over.  It is hilarious to see farmers who 100% supported Trump at a town meeting put on by my congressman revolt with the tariffs, yet they were fine with the hate as long as they got their subsidies and had open markets and free trade......oh and tax breaks for the average millionaires who own 200 acre plus farms.  However, when you cannot even make a profit because of these xenophobic hateful policies of the Dixiecrats, you are going to lose the midwest main street republicans who by the way started my party.   It once was the grand old party, and now I sadly think it is simply a sad collection of dixiecrat haters who want to go back to a time of white privilege which is defacto now, and who really want to return to dejure discrimination in America.

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

The vast majority of those Republican inclined voters who had to hold their nose to vote for Donald Trump are still not going to vote for anybody the Democrat Party is likely to put on the ballot.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

EmeraldGhost wrote:The vast majority of those Republican inclined voters who had to hold their nose to vote for Donald Trump are still not going to vote for anybody the Democrat Party is likely to put on the ballot.

Democratic Party.

ConservaLady

ConservaLady

I have no regrets and can't wait till 2020 when I can help President Trump get reelected.

These Never-Trump people will vote for the President in droves in 2020 when they see how much good he will have done for this country. Many Christian Democrats as well.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

ConservaLady wrote:I have no regrets and can't wait till 2020 when I can help President Trump get reelected.

These Never-Trump people will vote for the President in droves in 2020 when they see how much good he will have done for this country.  Many Christian Democrats as well.

Drumpf won't be around in 2020. I doubt he makes it through the midterms.

ConservaLady

ConservaLady

Floridatexan wrote:
ConservaLady wrote:I have no regrets and can't wait till 2020 when I can help President Trump get reelected.

These Never-Trump people will vote for the President in droves in 2020 when they see how much good he will have done for this country.  Many Christian Democrats as well.

Drumpf won't be around in 2020.  I doubt he makes it through the midterms.  


Trump will win by an even wider margin in 2020.  Wait and see.     He already has almost 90 million in his re-election campaign fund.  How do you explain that?

Besides, who will run against him?  The Democrats have nobody. Hillary Clinton, a supposed centrist who was considered un-beatable, couldn't beat him.  The Democrats will probably end up running some far-leftie who will be resoundingly Trumped before the voting even begins.   Dukakis all over again. (Electoral vote: 426 to 111)

And I wouldn't be surprised to see Ivanka take up her father's mantle in 2024.   The country is changing and America will be Great Again!  We will no longer allow babies to be legally murdered.   We will stop the infringement of gun rights.   Our children will be allowed to pray at school again.  The sin of homosexuality will no longer be equated with the God ordained institution of marriage.  Boys will be boys and girls will be girls again, and they will know which bathroom to use.    We will be respected by other countries around the world and not take advantage of any more.  And God will once again smile upon our nation and bless us above all others.   

Get used to it.

Deus X

Deus X

ConservaLady wrote:  The country is changing and America will be Great Again!  We will no longer allow babies to be legally murdered.   We will stop the infringement of gun rights.   Our children will be allowed to pray at school again.  The sin of homosexuality will no longer be equated with the God ordained institution of marriage.  Boys will be boys and girls will be girls again, and they will know which bathroom to use.    We will be respected by other countries around the world and not take advantage of any more.  And God will once again smile upon our nation and bless us above all others.   

The mind reels!

Vikingwoman



Deus X wrote:
ConservaLady wrote:  The country is changing and America will be Great Again!  We will no longer allow babies to be legally murdered.   We will stop the infringement of gun rights.   Our children will be allowed to pray at school again.  The sin of homosexuality will no longer be equated with the God ordained institution of marriage.  Boys will be boys and girls will be girls again, and they will know which bathroom to use.    We will be respected by other countries around the world and not take advantage of any more.  And God will once again smile upon our nation and bless us above all others.   

The mind reels!

I know right! Can't wait until Mueller get his crooked lying ass out of office w/ the rest of these ignorant and dangerous cult people.

zsomething



ConservaLady wrote:

Trump will win by an even wider margin in 2020.  Wait and see.     He already has almost 90 million in his re-election campaign fund.  How do you explain that?

Besides, who will run against him?  The Democrats have nobody. Hillary Clinton, a supposed centrist who was considered un-beatable, couldn't beat him.  The Democrats will probably end up running some far-leftie who will be resoundingly Trumped before the voting even begins.   Dukakis all over again. (Electoral vote: 426 to 111)

And I wouldn't be surprised to see Ivanka take up her father's mantle in 2024.   The country is changing and America will be Great Again!  We will no longer allow babies to be legally murdered.   We will stop the infringement of gun rights.   Our children will be allowed to pray at school again.  The sin of homosexuality will no longer be equated with the God ordained institution of marriage.  Boys will be boys and girls will be girls again, and they will know which bathroom to use.    We will be respected by other countries around the world and not take advantage of any more.  And God will once again smile upon our nation and bless us above all others.   

Get used to it.


I think Sascha Baron Cohen has somehow found this forum and is playing a brainwashed-moron-piece-of-shit character to try to make us part of his TV show, because nobody could actually be as shit-stupid as this poster is pretending to be.

Then again, I do have a few co-workers who are pretty close.

But, nah, this hits too many buttons, and hits them with such stupidity that it could practically be trademarked. There's no way this is anything but a parody. It's too blatant.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Trump will win by an even wider margin in 2020. Wait and see. He already has almost 90 million in his re-election campaign fund. How do you explain that?

He filed for office the day after the inauguration. Who knows how much of the money he has so far came from foreign donors? And now Munchin has created a free-for-all by not even requiring donor disclosure on dark money. The Citizens United decision needs to be overturned, or at least negated by appropriate legislation. The GOP won't do it, nor will they protect the country from an outright traitor. That's because at least some of them are complicit.

ConservaLady

ConservaLady

zsomething wrote:
ConservaLady wrote:

Trump will win by an even wider margin in 2020.  Wait and see.     He already has almost 90 million in his re-election campaign fund.  How do you explain that?

Besides, who will run against him?  The Democrats have nobody. Hillary Clinton, a supposed centrist who was considered un-beatable, couldn't beat him.  The Democrats will probably end up running some far-leftie who will be resoundingly Trumped before the voting even begins.   Dukakis all over again. (Electoral vote: 426 to 111)

And I wouldn't be surprised to see Ivanka take up her father's mantle in 2024.   The country is changing and America will be Great Again!  We will no longer allow babies to be legally murdered.   We will stop the infringement of gun rights.   Our children will be allowed to pray at school again.  The sin of homosexuality will no longer be equated with the God ordained institution of marriage.  Boys will be boys and girls will be girls again, and they will know which bathroom to use.    We will be respected by other countries around the world and not take advantage of any more.  And God will once again smile upon our nation and bless us above all others.   

Get used to it.


I think Sascha Baron Cohen has somehow found this forum and is playing a brainwashed-moron-piece-of-shit character to try to make us part of his TV show, because nobody could actually be as shit-stupid as this poster is pretending to be.

Then again, I do have a few co-workers who are pretty close.  

But, nah, this hits too many buttons, and hits them with such stupidity that it could practically be trademarked.  There's no way this is anything but a parody.   It's too blatant.

I must be the first and only true Trump Conservative you've ever actually met. There are lots and lots of us. Perhaps I'll invite some of my friends on here? You'll find out in 2020, just like you did in 2016.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

ConservaLady wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
ConservaLady wrote:I have no regrets and can't wait till 2020 when I can help President Trump get reelected.

These Never-Trump people will vote for the President in droves in 2020 when they see how much good he will have done for this country.  Many Christian Democrats as well.

Drumpf won't be around in 2020.  I doubt he makes it through the midterms.  


Trump will win by an even wider margin in 2020.  Wait and see.     He already has almost 90 million in his re-election campaign fund.  How do you explain that?

Besides, who will run against him?  The Democrats have nobody. Hillary Clinton, a supposed centrist who was considered un-beatable, couldn't beat him.  The Democrats will probably end up running some far-leftie who will be resoundingly Trumped before the voting even begins.   Dukakis all over again. (Electoral vote: 426 to 111)

And I wouldn't be surprised to see Ivanka take up her father's mantle in 2024.   The country is changing and America will be Great Again!  We will no longer allow babies to be legally murdered.   We will stop the infringement of gun rights.   Our children will be allowed to pray at school again.  The sin of homosexuality will no longer be equated with the God ordained institution of marriage.  Boys will be boys and girls will be girls again, and they will know which bathroom to use.    We will be respected by other countries around the world and not take advantage of any more.  And God will once again smile upon our nation and bless us above all others.   

Get used to it.

Most likely, it will be a Patriotic American who runs against your favored Russian agent. AS for your God, Patagonia has his favor more than any other country. Billy Graham told me so ... LOL

zsomething



ConservaLady wrote:

I must be the first and only true Trump Conservative you've ever actually met.   There are lots and lots of us.   Perhaps I'll invite some of my friends on here?  You'll find out in 2020, just like you did in 2016.


If you bring yours, I'll bring mine. And they ain't nice like me. Smile

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. If you really are as brainwashed and idiotic as you pretend to be, that's just pitifully sad. I can't even imagine how horrible your life must be, actually thinking the shit you do.

Telstar

Telstar

zsomething wrote:
ConservaLady wrote:

Trump will win by an even wider margin in 2020.  Wait and see.     He already has almost 90 million in his re-election campaign fund.  How do you explain that?

Besides, who will run against him?  The Democrats have nobody. Hillary Clinton, a supposed centrist who was considered un-beatable, couldn't beat him.  The Democrats will probably end up running some far-leftie who will be resoundingly Trumped before the voting even begins.   Dukakis all over again. (Electoral vote: 426 to 111)

And I wouldn't be surprised to see Ivanka take up her father's mantle in 2024.   The country is changing and America will be Great Again!  We will no longer allow babies to be legally murdered.   We will stop the infringement of gun rights.   Our children will be allowed to pray at school again.  The sin of homosexuality will no longer be equated with the God ordained institution of marriage.  Boys will be boys and girls will be girls again, and they will know which bathroom to use.    We will be respected by other countries around the world and not take advantage of any more.  And God will once again smile upon our nation and bless us above all others.   

Get used to it.


I think Sascha Baron Cohen has somehow found this forum and is playing a brainwashed-moron-piece-of-shit character to try to make us part of his TV show, because nobody could actually be as shit-stupid as this poster is pretending to be.

Then again, I do have a few co-workers who are pretty close.  

But, nah, this hits too many buttons, and hits them with such stupidity that it could practically be trademarked.  There's no way this is anything but a parody.   It's too blatant.





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