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I am sending this out to house of representative folks It is time to fix this broken system

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2seaoat




The solutions are not that complicated if the radicals on the left and right are taken out of the discussion. I get my fishing license online. I get my hunting license on line. When I transport hazardous waste I get a permit online. When I transport my oversized RV, I get permits online for each state which I am moving the same.

The second amendment gives absolute protection to arms which were in existence prior to 1800. All legacy guns within a home cannot be touched by Government, but government can most certainly regulate the transport of arms which the Supreme Court in HELLER says may be regulated. A national chipped foid card will be required to transport a gun, and the gun must be transported in a secure transport case which syncs with the foid card, the carrying case, and the chip installed by a licensed gun shop. A simple phone app as easy as Uber or my making a deposit in the bank will allow me to transport a gun to go hunting by simply giving the gun id, the route, the date and time, and the purpose of the transport. A permit will issue within one minute and will be stored on the phone just like rental car agreements are stored on the phone which you can show an officer.

All conceal and carry permits concerning legacy guns will be revoked. A new national conceal and carry permit will issue which allows a citizen to carry their gun to any state once passing federal background checks and purchasing new high tech hand guns which will be chipped in multiple locations, and have low frequency signals which can be picked up over 100 yards away and any citizen can get a monitor for their home, business, and LEO shall know if a conceal and carry permit holder is entering the 100 yard zone. Congress will give the manufacturers the specifications, and they will sell millions of new safe guns which will make the gun manufacturers happy. Legacy guns can be kept at home without government regulation beyond the foid card and a new online background check in a phone app. Upon the death of any gun owner there will be an online app for transport to family member’s homes without fee or restriction. If a legacy gun is later determined by congress to be inherently dangerous in the public, it still will be allowed to be transferred to family members homes.

I want to go hunting. I use the app just like a broken windshield being replaced at my home to have licensed gun dealer install the chips and sell a transport carrier. Once I have that information installed in my phone app, I simply enter the four data points, gun id, route, date and time, and purpose of transport. Just like I do when moving my park model. The fifth amendment guarantees my right to own my RV, but to transport the same requires a permit.

Any person stopped and discovered to have no permit when transporting a gun will be given a mandatory three day jail sentence where the state will investigate if it was a good faith mistake or an intentional criminal act which would be a preliminary hearing to determine criminal prosecution of much longer sentence for the person who intentionally disobeyed the law. The second amendment and Supreme Court decisions guarantee our absolute right to our guns in our home, but the transport of the same can be regulated by congress. Game, set, match for common sense.

PkrBum

PkrBum

Except that the laws and authority were already in place to prevent this tragedy and your "solution" wouldn't change it. Take a few deep breaths and calm your statist hysteria. Focus on producing results... not leftist pipe dreams.

2seaoat



it is amazing how easy I could leave comments on Senator Rubio and Nelson, but when I tried to contact Scott, it was nearly impossible. I contacted my rep, senator Duckworth, and senator Durbin.  However, the most restrictive wall to citizen input is Paul Ryan.   He is geographically less than one hundred miles from my home, yet like the representative in Biloxi who would not allow me to leave a comment unless I lied on my zip code.   After Sandy, the bastard decided he was not going to forward aid to people devastated by Sandy.  I told him I took in 20 plus Biloxi residents in a new home where I just got an occupancy permit in Navarre, and that I would contact all twenty and raise money for his primary opponent.   He hopped on a plane two days later and visited Sandy victims and changed his votes.   If any of you think you cannot change the world we live, you are wrong.  I have spent a life time challenging power to do the right thing.  It is time for each of us on this forum to contact their representatives and let them know that the transport of weapons in America requires a permit, just like I need a permit to move an oversized park model rv.  Some will argue that the second amendment guarantees the transport of a weapon in a car.......sorry Heller says congress can regulate.

Please stop telling people on the other side they are stupid and wrong.  Start constructive conversations with all your representatives at the local, state and federal levels.   Children are dying.   Terrorist have caused us to flush seven trillion dollars down the rabbit hole.  Sanity requires discussions which are constructive.

2seaoat



Any rational person realizes that the transport proposals like air bags and seat belts will take a generation to bring death by gun down.  No rational person when talking about safety in food, drugs, autos, bridges, planes, and roads thinks that all risks can be eliminated.  Last time I checked Jesus has not arrived again, but we certainly can lower gun deaths by setting a trap for gangbangers, and criminals who will transport legacy guns after the permit requirements become law.  Background checks, improved tools for law enforcement dealing with mental health, and transport permits will bring gun deaths down.  It does not guarantee no person will die.   You are either part of a problem, or you are part of a solution.  I choose solutions that long after I am gone, my grandchildren will live in a safer world.  

As to folks in Congress not passing this legislation, it will take sportsman and folks with common sense to simply take a few minutes to make guns more secure in public places.   In your home, if you have an AR 15 it is grandfathered in homes, but to transport the same for some purpose other than going to a gun range to practice or transferring it because you move to another home.......you will need a permit.

PkrBum

PkrBum

Besides the inept failure of law enforcement... the perp broke numerous "laws"... that's what they do.

Deus X

Deus X

I am sending this out to house of representative folks   It is time to fix this broken system Eabuztn

2seaoat



Besides the inept failure of law enforcement... the perp broke numerous "laws"... that's what they do.

They still will break the law. My brother in his contracting business owned about five bomber gravel trucks where he hauled materials to various construction projects. He and his drivers would often let the gravel pit operator put a little extra in the truck, until the first time they were pulled over and taken to a scale to be weighed. Three thousand dollars later, he and his drivers were complying with the law. The part you may have trouble conceptualizing is that over a generation all guns in America will be chipped and identified, or will remain in the house of somebody who has not died. After they die all guns will be required to be chipped and registered before transport to family members who inherited the same. To not comply will just like my brother and his drivers be a risk assessment for somebody transporting a non permitted weapon. What hunter has a problem applying on line for a hunting permit? What fisherman has a problem applying for a fishing license. What car owner has a problem registering their car and getting license plates? Law abiding citizens will tighten the noose around criminals and terrorist who will no longer be able to go to a gun show last week and this week drive the guns over to a school to kill people.

The idea of a gun free zone is not a flawed concept unless one cannot detect a gun entering that zone. A law enforcement officer certainly should enter that zone with their chipped weapon, but another spontaneous killer will have to find a legacy weapon which is not chipped or transmitted, and risk an automatic three day jail sentence which after preliminary hearings could face felony charges and years in jail.

2seaoat



I have only received one response from a rep thanking me for the email. I cannot wait to someone begins talking about permitting gun transport. Right now it is banning certain guns and socialist. Why can so many gun owners go through all the requirements to get a conceal and carry, but squeal like a pig about registration of guns, background checks, and too much paperwork. As simple as a phone app can separate gun transport of criminals from law abiding citizens.

PkrBum

PkrBum

LMAO... you don't even want background checks for immigration or paperwork to vote. You're a joke.

Deus X

Deus X

I am sending this out to house of representative folks   It is time to fix this broken system Eabuztn

2seaoat



LMAO... you don't even want background checks for immigration or paperwork to vote. You're a joke.

You just told a lie. Please take your time and show where I have ever said what you posted. A simple click of a phone gets a transport permit. It is so simple that now you have to lie.

PkrBum

PkrBum

2seaoat wrote:LMAO... you don't even want background checks for immigration or paperwork to vote. You're a joke.

You just told a lie.  Please take your time and show where I have ever said what you posted.  A simple click of a phone gets a transport permit.  It is so simple that now you have to lie.

I'll respond the same way you do when called out...

Deus X

Deus X

I am sending this out to house of representative folks   It is time to fix this broken system Eabuztn

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

There were four armed law enforcement officers hiding behind their cars while Cruz was busy murdering kids with his AR 15.  Both the local Sheriff's Department and the FBI received numerous warnings about the nutcase shooter.

Face it, the four trained cops knew their handguns were no match for a high velocity round fired from an Assault Rifle.  A large number of teachers don't want anything to do with guns.

So here's my idea -- and it's one the NRA will absolutely LOVE!!!  Let's take away Medicaid and Medicare funds and give every student K-12 a fire arm of their own with which to defend themselves!  I welcome your applause Pkrbum and Jake ...  

Sean Hannity: I'm available for your show ...

   

2seaoat



I am starting to contact people by phone if they do not respond to emails. I was with a Durbin staff member going over my proposal when I realized that a simple transport case will work for now. So, here it is:

Any person with a conceal and carry permit can drive with that gun without getting a transport permit.

Any person who is in a car with a gun will immediately be arrested and taken to jail for a minimum of three days in jail and then a preliminary hearing will be held to determine a good faith error, or probable cause that criminal intent was involved where it would be set for trial, with a mandatory one year jail sentence. A gun transport without a permit waives bond after the preliminary hearing determines there was criminal intent.

All guns which are not a conceal and carry must be transported in a prescribed lockable carry case which must be placed in the trunk. A transport permit is required to transport a gun.. A phone app can be downloaded on all smart phones. A foid card is required to transport a gun. Enter name/foid card#, date and times of transport, route, purpose of transport.

All the rest is great, but we need some immediate consequences with guns being in cars.

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