Trumpcare is DOA......these folks do not know what they are doing

For six years Republicans said they would repeal immediately this awful ACA, but these folks simply do not know what they are doing. They keep saying Obamacare is failing, but I remember when 6 million was impossible and now they have 20 million, and Price ran away from Chuck Todd this morning on meet the press......where did they find these idiots.

Up to 15 million people will lose coverage. They are wanting to dismantle medicaid. These are evil people wanting to shift resources from poor people to wealthy people. This wealth redistribution has been a constant for forty years since the Ronald Reagan administration. It is socialism when wealth is used for Americans, but it is liberty when the redistribution goes to the 1% and the useful idiots continue to be fools.

I don't see any real substantive change so far... they've just changed the name of the subsidy and redirected the mandate. Sooo... you're basically railing against the existing windmill. But don't let me interrupt... lol.

The Republicans are already attacking the CBO. In the middle of the night they introduce this bill without CBO rating hoping it can be passed, and this is being done after six years of being told that the ACA was passed in the dark......you simply cannot make this up.

I am railing against the tax cuts. How do you expand health care coverage without revenues? We listened for six years about the lies of President Obama, but those were mistakes in not fully understanding the structural problems in rural health markets where there is no competition and where about 5% of policies did have their premiums go up. Here they are taking all the subsidies away and with a straight face they say more people will be covered. It is insane. Kasich on meet the press was a breath of fresh air as he said this bill would put them in a bind. He said it well.....how does a drug addicted individual get better if money for mental health care is gone, and subsidies are gone, and the state of Ohio has to fill the gap. This is really a full attack on medicaid. The Republican Party has fought the same for 70 years.

The cbo just spits out what you feed it. I also highly doubt that there will be any freebies cut. The pubs like the govt controlling business and people just as much as the leftists. They just talk limited govt and have slightly different prohibitions and give aways. This bill will morph into jumbled doublespeak.

The more things change in our enormous central command and control govt... the more they stay the same.

they've just changed the name of the subsidy

That is a misconception. For high income individuals a tax credit is gold because for every dollar they owe in taxes, they get a dollar reduction. Poor people do not owe taxes. The tax credit right now is $4000. In rural PA on meet the press where the very people who put President Trump in office, they are getting close to 9000 subsidy. That family will not be able to get health insurance and there is a real 5000 dollar difference. That difference is covered by reduction of taxes on folks making over 250k. The attack on the Affordable Care Act was simply about rich people not wanting to pay any taxes to make America work. It is not big government, it is not socialism, it is simply the oligarchy taking more from the peasants and the peasants being fooled once again.

I don't think that you're aware of how Obamacaid works... the way the irs does it now... or way that the money was redistributed to Medicaid expansion. You can chew on your fingernails until they're nubs... but I don't think that in the end you're going to have anything but small gripes.

There's going to be a process if we're lucky. If so this bill will be diluted to little more than a tweak.

https://www.irs.gov/affordable-care-act/individuals-and-families/questions-and-answers-on-the-premium-tax-credit

2seaoat wrote:Up to 15 million people will lose coverage.   They are wanting to dismantle medicaid.  These are evil people wanting to shift resources from poor people to wealthy people.  This wealth redistribution has been a constant for forty years since the Ronald Reagan administration.  It is socialism when wealth is used for Americans, but it is liberty when the redistribution goes to the 1% and the useful idiots continue to be fools.

Trickle down wasn't enough for them. Now they are going with sucking out. vampire economics by the 1%. In some stories they kill the vampires by shoving a stake through them. In others they chop off their heads. By any means necessary.

2seaoat wrote:they've just changed the name of the subsidy

That is a misconception.  For high income individuals a tax credit is gold because for every dollar they owe in taxes, they get a dollar reduction.   Poor people do not owe taxes.

OK I thought the same thing, Sea, but I heard a pol on TV the other night saying that, if, say, a low income family gets a "tax credit" of $4,000 but only owes $1,000 in taxes to be offset, the government will actually cut them a check for the difference ($3,000). I can't imagine the conservatives like THAT much! But is that really the way it'll work?

Ppaca? Are you here?

That has existed for almost thirty years with the earned tax credit which allows poor people to get a check cut back independent of taxes paid or health insurance policy. My point is that if everybody gets a tax credit, then not only do the wealthy have a tax cut which has already taken effect, but without means testing, they will get 4k credit for their health insurance......this entire Trumpcare is a sham, and just one more step gutting working families in America.

I'd still like to know what's up with ppaca. He's been too quiet. Earth to ppaca, please phone home!

Weird. For some reason, Republicans can't just say "We're going to uninsure millions of working families to give the rich a huge tax break."
LOLGOP

Weird. For some reason, Republicans can't just say "We're going to uninsure millions of working families to give the rich a huge tax break."
LOLGOP

It would be great if over the last six years if they would have just been honest and all those votes where they knew the President would not sign the repeals could have just told the truth. We do not know how to govern, and our only purpose is to perform for the folks who pay us to obstruct and cut taxes on the wealthy. Now they have a majority in all branches of government, and the big argument is HOW MUCH CAN THEY TAKE FROM WORKING FAMILIES.

Yes, I am alive.

Polecat yes the gop will take away health insurance for the poor, that is their goal.

Linda,

I would imagine when you file your taxes you will have to prove you have health insurance to get a tax credit. Now in your scenario it is very possible for the IRS to refund the $3000.00

If the way you all are looking at this comes to pass then it's nothing but a subsidy and instead of it call advanced premium tax credit it's called take it in the rear tax credit. I see very little difference except for the moving of Medicaid to the states and giving them lump sums to handle it, the credits are lower depending on what age you are, 5 to 1 for older american's rather than the 3 to 1 ratio now. You still have a penalty but it's the insurance company.

One big thing that is really stupid is rolling back the taxes associated with ACA to 12/31/2015. The dummy's are leaving billion's on the table that could help fund much of what they are proposing for a year.

Part of what I've seen is they are also trying to cut Medicare/Medicaid reimbursement's to provider's. Guess that is why the AMA, AHA and many more have come out against it, not to mention with people losing Medicaid hospital's will close across the U.S.

http://thehill.com/opinion/juan-williams/323617-juan-williams-an-unpleasant-trumpcare-surprise

How can President Trump and the GOP Congress escape the political damage from their failed pledge to produce a better healthcare plan than ObamaCare — one that covers more people, offers more choice and is cheaper?

If Congress can’t pass the current flawed Republican plan, Trump told leading conservative groups last week, he has a Plan B. It is to keep badmouthing the Affordable Care Act as a “disaster” and then blame Democrats when ObamaCare collapses.

He is going to need a Plan C because there is a big problem with Plan B.


If the Affordable Care Act ever fails, it will be because of Republicans.
It was Senate Republicans, led by Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, who drained money from “risk corridors” created to protect insurance companies from losing money.

And Republicans in 19 states refused to expand Medicaid, keeping about 4 million eligible Americans away from health insurance offered by ObamaCare.

It was Trump who cancelled advertising aimed at bringing more people into the program. Congressional Republicans also made a point of scaring away sports teams and celebrities ready to join in public service campaigns to tell people about the benefits of getting health insurance under the Affordable Care Act (ACA).

Who can forget all the scary claims coming from Congressional Republicans and candidate Trump about skyrocketing premiums under ObamaCare? They sounded the alarm without saying that most people in ObamaCare had nothing to fear because of federal subsidies. They also did not mention that premiums would have been higher without ObamaCare.

Despite the Republican effort, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projected enrollment in ObamaCare would jump from 10 million in 2017 to 13 million in the next ten years.

Actual enrollment for ObamaCare 2017, despite the non-stop GOP chorus predicting its death, came in at 9.2 million, about 500,000 less than in 2016. “Open enrollment was a success, and it would have been even higher without the Trump administration’s efforts to suppress enrollment,” Leslie Dach, director of the Protect Our Care Coalition, told CNBC in February.

Also in December, Standard and Poor’s investment ratings service said an increasing number of insurance companies participating in the ObamaCare program would make money this year.

And the CBO reported last week that ObamaCare would cost one-third less than originally projected. It is saving money.

Opinion polls also show rising public support for ObamaCare in the face of all the Republican libels.

Pew Research Center and Kaiser Family Foundation both report record high levels of support for ObamaCare, with Pew finding 54 percent of the public approving of the healthcare program while 43 percent remain in opposition.

A Monmouth University poll released last week also found that a majority of Americans — 51 percent — say they want Congress to keep the ACA and improve it.

“Any changes in ObamaCare will need to take into account that a clear majority want it either left alone or expanded,” Dr. Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion, said after releasing a late February poll showing 67 percent opposition to complete repeal.

These polls are evidence that Republicans are so intent on damaging ObamaCare that they are no longer listening to voters.

The House Republicans’ replacement plan, the American Health Care Act has not been scored by the non-partisan CBO. But critics on the left and right have been fiercely critical. And key questions remain, such as exactly how much it will cost and how many people it will leave uninsured.

Amazingly, the Trump White House is trying to pre-emptively discredit the CBO before it issues its report. White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said at a briefing last week “If you’re looking to the CBO for accuracy, you’re looking in the wrong place.”

But attacking the CBO is not going to be enough to fool anyone. Even among conservative hardliners, there is opposition to the House version of a new healthcare plan. Tea Party pressure groups like Heritage Action, and Koch brothers-funded groups like Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks came out swinging against the bill.

Perhaps the most important foe of the House bill is the American Association of Retired Persons (AARP), which represents over 38 million senior citizens.

“This bill would weaken Medicare's fiscal sustainability, dramatically increase health care costs for Americans aged 50-64 and put at risk the health care of millions of children and adults with disabilities, and poor seniors who depend on the Medicaid program for long-term services and supports and other benefits," wrote AARP senior vice president Joyce A. Rogers.

Also standing in opposition to the GOP plan are the American Medical Association (AMA), the American Nurses Association (ANA), the American Hospital Association (AHA) and the American College of Physicians (ACP).

According to exit polls, voters over the age of 65 backed Trump over Clinton, 52 percent to 45 percent in the November election. The blowback from those voters over the GOP failure to produce a better healthcare plan could produce a nightmare for Republicans in the 2018 midterms.

President Trump, however, is pushing the bill and Congressional GOP leadership say they are confident that it will pass.

Perhaps they have been in the right-wing media bubble so long that they can no longer discern reality from their talking points when it comes to ObamaCare.

Of course he has a sure fire plan C that will gain the support of his base, FALSE FLAG! FALSE FLAG! FALSE FLAG!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/west-virginia-tug-river-obamacare/

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/gazette-op-ed-commentaries/20170204/shelley-moore-capito-meeting-the-health-care-needs-of-wv

Yea, I bet the West Virginian's have the money to set up a HSA.

Telstar wrote:Of course he has a sure fire plan C that will gain the support of his base, FALSE FLAG! FALSE FLAG! FALSE FLAG!

Plan C = Medicare for all.

ppaca wrote:

Telstar wrote:Of course he has a sure fire plan C that will gain the support of his base, FALSE FLAG! FALSE FLAG! FALSE FLAG!

Plan C = Medicare for all.

On his watch? Really?

I just want to live long enough for Pkrbum to pay for my healthcare.

I might make this my sig.

You'll know when or if they're actually making progress for the populace... big pharma, hospital, and insurance corporations will start screaming bloody murder and flooding the media with propaganda.

Nope no Medicare for all on his watch.

Most of my lifetime and as a republican I felt the same way the gop does about medicaid patient's, it's only after working in this business for 20 years I have met so many people that really have the need for Medicaid. No I don't mean the lazy one's who sit home and do nothing except live to collect some kind of welfare. Even though Florida did not expand Medicaid the under employed enjoyed fairly decent subsidy's and I felt terrible when someone making under the 100% of the federal poverty level could get nothing as in some other state's that did expand it.

I read that story from WV and have from other poorer state's and wonder why if they are so bad off they voted for Trump. I always have had an ability to tell if someone is lying to me or to someone else (only in rare occasion's have I been taken) if I am face to face with that person or watch many clips of them and I had trump pegged from the beginning. I can see someone hiring a contractor (one) and not paying for their full services agreed upon if they did shoddy work but not as many as he did. I view trump as one of the lowest scum bags on earth. Anyway I cannot see why some of these people who have depended on large subsidy's and medicaid believed his bullshit. I am just amazed.

Bob used to pull all of your string's but before he got real sick he also saw much of what I just said and told me he was not going to vote for him. He had his mail in ballot at the skilled nursing facility I wonder if he ever filled it out and gave it someone to mail. And then again in his state he may have just circled him in.

Trump University didn't make it into March Madness but its founder has probably crashed a few Sweet Sixteens.

PkrBum wrote:You'll know when or if they're actually making progress for the populace... big pharma, hospital, and insurance corporations will start screaming bloody murder and flooding the media with propaganda.

Big and smaller hospital's already are, but is it propaganda? Don't think so.