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CAIR is designated a terror group by the UAE, so why not by the US?

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We who follow the Islamist movement fell off our collective chair on Nov. 15 when the news came that the United Arab Emirates' ministerial cabinet had listed the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) as one of 83 proscribed terrorist organizations, up there with the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, and ISIS.

This came as a surprise because the UAE authorities themselves have a record of promoting Islamism; because CAIR has a history of raising funds in the UAE; and because the UAE embassy in Washington had previously praised CAIR.

On reflection, however, the listing makes sense for, in recent years, the Islamist movement has gravely fractured. Sunnis fight Shi'is; advocates of violence struggle against those working within the system; modernizers do battle against those trying to return to the seventh century; and monarchists confront republicans.

This last divide concerns us here. After decades of working closely with the Muslim Brotherhood (MB) and its related institutions, the Persian Gulf monarchies (with the single, striking exception of Qatar) have come to see the MB complex of institutions as a threat to their existence. The Saudi, Emirati, Kuwaiti, and Bahraini rulers now view politicians like Mohamed Morsi of Egypt as their enemies, as they do Hamas and its progeny – including CAIR.

While the Gulf monarchs have not become any less Islamist, they have acquired a clear-eyed appreciation of the harm that MB-related groups can do.

Having explained why the UAE listed CAIR on its terror manifest, we must pose a second question: Is the listing warranted? Can a Washington-based organization with ties to the Obama White House, the U.S. Congress, leading media outlets, and prestigious universities truly be an instigator of terrorism?



UAE Foreign Minister Abdullah bin Zayed Al Nahyan explains why his government considers CAIR to be terrorist.



CAIR can rightly be so characterized. True, it does not set off bombs but, as the UAE's foreign minister explains, "Our threshold is quite low. ... We cannot accept incitement or funding." Indeed, CAIR incites, funds, and does much more vis-à-vis terrorism:

Apologizes for terrorist groups: Challenged repeatedly to denounce Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorist groups, CAIR denounces the acts of violence but not their sponsors.

Is connected to Hamas: Hamas, designated a terrorist organization by the U.S. and many other governments, indirectly created CAIR and the two groups remain tight. Examples: in 1994, CAIR head Nihad Awad publicly declared his support for Hamas; and the Holy Land Foundation (HLF), a Hamas front group, contributed $5,000 to CAIR; in turn, CAIR exploited the 9/11 attacks to raise money for HLF; and, this past August, demonstrators at a CAIR-sponsored rally in Florida proclaimed "We are Hamas!"



The Holy Land Foundation, a Hamas front group, made an early $5,000 donation to CAIR to help establish it.



Settled a lawsuit: CAIR initiated a libel lawsuit in 2004 over five statements by a group called Anti-CAIR. But two years later, CAIR settled the suit with prejudice (meaning that it cannot be reopened), implicitly acknowledging the accuracy of Anti-CAIR's assertions, which included:
•"CAIR is a terrorist supporting front organization that is partially funded by terrorists";
•"CAIR ... is supported by terrorist supporting individuals, groups and countries";
•"CAIR has proven links to, and was founded by, Islamic terrorists"; and
•"CAIR actively supports terrorists and terrorist supporting groups and nations."



For two years, 2004-06, CAIR sued Anti-CAIR, eventually to settle with prejudice.



Includes individuals accused of terrorism: At least seven board members or staff at CAIR have been arrested, denied entry to the US, or were indicted on or pled guilty to or were convicted of terrorist charges: Siraj Wahhaj, Bassem Khafagi, Randall ("Ismail") Royer, Ghassan Elashi, Rabih Haddad, Muthanna Al-Hanooti, and Nabil Sadoun.

Is in trouble with the law: Federal prosecutors in 2007 named CAIR (along with two other Islamic organizations) as "unindicted co-conspirators and/or joint venturers" in a criminal conspiracy to support Hamas financially. In 2008, the FBI ended contacts with CAIR because of concern with its continuing terrorist ties.

On learning of the UAE listing, CAIR called it "shocking and bizarre," then got to work to have the Department of State protest and undo the ruling. Nothing loath, department spokesperson Jeff Rathke noted that the U.S. government, which "does not consider these organizations to be terrorist organizations," has asked for more information about the UAE decision. The UAE minister of state for Foreign affairs replied that if organizations can show that their "approach has changed," they are eligible to appeal "to have their names eliminated from the list."

Pressure from the Obama administration might reverse the UAE listing. Even so, this will not undo its lasting damage. For the first time, an Islamist government has exposed the malign, terroristic quality of CAIR – a stigma CAIR can never escape.


Mr. Pipes (DanielPipes.org) is president of the Middle East Forum. © 2014 by Daniel Pipes. All rights reserved.


Nov. 28, 2015 addenda: (1) The UAE listing includes another U.S. organization as well, the Muslim American Society. (2) In case the UAE news item link breaks, I have posted it here.

Dec. 8, 2014 update: CAIR is not the only Western organization upset by this development: see Hassan Obeid, "European Muslim groups angered by inclusion on UAE's terror list."

Dec. 17, 2014 update: Ironically, just as the UAE put the Muslim Brotherhood on its terrorism list, the General Court of the European Union has removed Hamas from it terrorist list.

Dec. 22, 2014 update: CAIR issued a press release today, "U.S. Government Pledges to Work with CAIR, MAS on UAE Designation" that recounts a meeting of CAIR representatives "with senior U.S. government officials" and reports that "the U.S. government pledged to work together [with the two organizations] to achieve a positive solution to the UAE designations."

My take? Over five weeks have gone by since the designation was made public on Nov. 15 and the UAE authorities have been adamant about it, making me skeptical that it will be reversed, even with some help from the Obama administration.

Jan. 5, 2017 update: I may have missed an earlier response by CAIR to the UAE listing; but this is the first one I know of, coming over two years after the fact from the rather obscure executive director of CAIR's Georgia chapter, Edward Ahmed Mitchell:


our support for democracy in the Middle East led a foreign dictatorship to, quite ironically, label us a terrorist organization. This is no surprise. CAIR always expects bigots, terrorists and dictators to attack us. However, we do not expect our political leaders in Georgia to do the same.



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If one accepts the proposition that the colonialism arbitrarily created geopolitical boundaries which allowed western nations to exploit the oil of the middle east, and that tin cup monarchies and military dictatorships have stripped the average citizen of the wealth of their nations and allowed poverty and exploitation to be the rule. So in the arab spring freedom and liberty spontaneously arose with the help of the CIA, and radical Islam which opposes modernity which they link with a hundred years of colonial exploitation.

Like the Vietnamese fighting French colonialism, we have confused the truth that we in siding with the status quo in the middle east have become the exploiter and hated target of the people. This is compounded by the perception that a modern western democracy which is not Muslim was created in the heart of their holiest shrines and is unconditionally supported by America. So this idea of Radical Islam being about religion is simplistic and incomplete. It is about the battle of modernity, and the difficult challenges of the same. We simply need to get out of the Middle east. We need to let Middle east governments go through the modernity struggle without our military backing of tincup dictators and using the middle east as a market to sell American weapons while making a profit on record sales of weapons systems. The oil and gas coupled with Military Industrial Complex need to have a boogey man has created the idea that there is a war on terrorism. Wrong. Criminal actions in America, and Criminal enterprises in the Middle east can be handled by law enforcement, but this idea that military intervention has anything to do with America's safety is a lie. Trying to make every political organization in the middle east into the boogey man is wrong. Go after the criminals to the full extent of the law, and be vigilant with intelligence.

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2seaoat wrote:If one accepts the proposition that the colonialism arbitrarily created geopolitical boundaries which allowed western nations to exploit the oil of the middle east, and that tin cup monarchies and military dictatorships have stripped the average citizen of the wealth of their nations and allowed poverty and exploitation to be the rule.   So in the arab spring freedom and liberty spontaneously arose with the help of the CIA, and radical Islam which opposes modernity which they link with a hundred years of colonial exploitation.

Like the Vietnamese fighting French colonialism, we have confused the truth that we in siding with the status quo in the middle east have become the exploiter and hated target of the people.  This is compounded by the perception that a modern western democracy which is not Muslim was created in the heart of their holiest shrines and is unconditionally supported by America.  So this idea of Radical Islam being about religion is simplistic and incomplete.  It is about the battle of modernity, and the difficult challenges of the same.  We simply need to get out of the Middle east.  We need to let Middle east governments go through the modernity struggle without our military backing of tincup dictators and using the middle east as a market to sell American weapons while making a profit on record sales of weapons systems.   The oil and gas coupled with Military Industrial Complex need to have a boogey man has created the idea that there is a war on terrorism.  Wrong.  Criminal actions in America, and Criminal enterprises in the Middle east can be handled by law enforcement, but this idea that military intervention has anything to do with America's safety is a lie.  Trying to make every political organization in the middle east into the boogey man is wrong.  Go after the criminals to the full extent of the law, and be vigilant with intelligence.

It doesn't answer the question (your word soup).

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2seaoat wrote:If one accepts the proposition that the colonialism arbitrarily created geopolitical boundaries which allowed western nations to exploit the oil of the middle east, and that tin cup monarchies and military dictatorships have stripped the average citizen of the wealth of their nations and allowed poverty and exploitation to be the rule.   So in the arab spring freedom and liberty spontaneously arose with the help of the CIA, and radical Islam which opposes modernity which they link with a hundred years of colonial exploitation.

Like the Vietnamese fighting French colonialism, we have confused the truth that we in siding with the status quo in the middle east have become the exploiter and hated target of the people.  This is compounded by the perception that a modern western democracy which is not Muslim was created in the heart of their holiest shrines and is unconditionally supported by America.  So this idea of Radical Islam being about religion is simplistic and incomplete.  It is about the battle of modernity, and the difficult challenges of the same.  We simply need to get out of the Middle east.  We need to let Middle east governments go through the modernity struggle without our military backing of tincup dictators and using the middle east as a market to sell American weapons while making a profit on record sales of weapons systems.   The oil and gas coupled with Military Industrial Complex need to have a boogey man has created the idea that there is a war on terrorism.  Wrong.  Criminal actions in America, and Criminal enterprises in the Middle east can be handled by law enforcement, but this idea that military intervention has anything to do with America's safety is a lie.  Trying to make every political organization in the middle east into the boogey man is wrong.  Go after the criminals to the full extent of the law, and be vigilant with intelligence.

On Target.

Apparently the reading comprehension of today's school teachers is low (hence PeeDog thinking yo9ur excellent write-up is a "word-soup").

I wonder if "word-soup" tastes any better than "word-salad". Those seem to be favorite dishes of PeeDog and Lame Dork poster Markle.

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