The hypocrisy of ISIS and homosexuality

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/06/the-secret-hypocritical-gay-world-of-isis.html

Like Nazi Germany having a strong homosexual component in the early days of brown shirts and in ISIS is like history repeating itself.

Ludwig Lenz worked at the Sex Research Institute in Berlin, which was destroyed by Hitler's Brown Shirts in 1933 likely because its records, including 40,000 confessions from members of the Nazi Party, would have exposed the sexual perversions of Nazi leadership. Lenz said that "not ten percent of the men who, in 1933, took the fate of Germany into their hands, were sexually normal."

In fact, the Nazi Party began in a gay bar in Munich, and Ernst Roehm, Hitler's right hand in the early days of Nazism, was well-known for his taste in young boys. William Shirer says in his definitive "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich," not only that Roehm was "important in the rise of Hitler," but also "like so many of the early Nazis, (he was) a homosexual."

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/080515

When ISIS leaders have young boys.....and from across the world unmarried males migrate to ISIS, and all the while public executions of homosexuals seems to copy the nazi brownshirt model.......and now this guy after visiting the gay club repeatedly, and being on gay dating web sites........there is some dark crazy chit with ISIS beyond simple religion which some on this forum think is what it is all about......it may have alternative explanations which are more complex, overlapping, and not so simple as to say radical islam.

The whole ISIS sexual identification going from wanting 21 virgins smells of sexual perversion whether abusing 15 year old boys or young virgin girls. Throughout history perverts have been attracted to tyranny where Hitler's early brown shirts were almost exclusively homosexuals, yet they arrested and killed suspected homosexuals in the third reich, and now ISIS has a sympathizer who frequented the club, was on a dating site, and was coming from a failed marriage, and all we hear from Bob is that it is all about Christians and Muslims and some book which was written......how about this.....the brownshirts in Nazi Germany were not gaining legitimacy from the bible, they were common criminals who learned to intimidate good people into inaction and they were sick perverts. How about this.....the folks drawn to ISIS are sick perverts who can sexually abuse a 15 year old boy, and then throw him off the roof.....not because of some book, but because these folks were maladjusted sickos long before ISIS, and from all over the world these folks are attracted to the idea of raping and killing, not because that is what they are commanded to do in the Koran......rather because they are sicko losers. Quit blaming Muslims and start realizing there are complexities to this evil which is not solved by America showing their asz in support of Trump......but Bob sure liked supporting Trump when he was attacking people who Bob calls ragheads........yep......blame it on the Koran.

I have my suspicions this thread may have added to the viewers on the site.

Someone alert the NSA!

It just seems odd to me that there are not happily married Muslim men who with religious zealotry migrate to ISIS. Rather, it is single men excited about the rape, pillage, and extreme cruelty of these criminals. If this was a religious movement, why suddenly are well adjusted families not part of this movement. Instead, criminals and unstable folks are migrating to fulfill some sick fantasy of raping 15 year old boys and girls.......to call these criminals in any regard people of faith is to deny the reality. ISIS is a perversion and when one reads the horrors they have subjected women and boys to with brute power of the gun and terror, you begin to realize that to simply say radical Islam does not even begin to describe the success in attracting sickos to this cause. History is repeating, and to allow Israel, the Saudis, or the Military Industrial complex to profit from their supporting ISIS is the most obscene thing about the last three years. Good people must fight evil. Good people must fight Donald Trump's fascism which lumps all Muslims under the umbrella of these sick perverts.....America cannot allow evil to prevail abroad or within our borders.

Just think,  ISIS has nothing to do with religion,  it's all due to homosexuality.
This is the most homophobic stuff I've ever read.  Ranks right up there with the Westboro Baptist Church.
Wasn't it you who also told us the slave owners in America were homosexual?

Thanks for finally revealing your true colors. Now we REALLY see why you hang out with Muslims.

The ridiculous notion that "the Nazi party was entirely controlled by militaristic male homosexuals," as was posited in a book by antigay activists Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams in their 1995 book The Pink Swastika, has been furthered by the likes of leading homophobes Pat Robertson and Bryan Fischer.

http://www.advocate.com/books/2016/2/03/new-book-debunks-pink-swastika-myth

From the Southern Poverty Law Center...

After years of extremists promoting 'Holocaust revisionism,' some anti-gay religious crusaders now allege that far from being persecuted by Nazis, homosexuals were behind the Holocaust.

For decades now, "Holocaust revisionists" in the U.S. and Europe have published pseudo-scholarly papers and books claiming to prove that the Nazis never carried out a systematic extermination of Jews. In 1995, a book called The Pink Swastika made similar claims about the Nazis' treatment of homosexuals during the Holocaust.

Written by fundamentalist activists Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams, The Pink Swastika says that rather than being victimized by the Nazis, gay men in Hitler's inner circle actually helped mastermind the Holocaust.

"While we cannot say that homosexuals caused the Holocaust, we must not ignore their central role in Nazism," write Lively and Abrams. "To the myth of the 'pink triangle' — the notion that all homosexuals in Nazi Germany were persecuted — we must respond with the reality of the 'pink swastika.'"

Historians agree that this "reality" is utterly false. But many anti-gay crusaders have used the "gay Nazi" myth as proof that gay people are immoral and destructive.

"When lawlessness is abroad in the land, the same thing will happen here that happened in Nazi Germany," Pat Robertson once warned viewers of his 700 Club. "Many of those people involved with Adolf Hitler were satanists. Many of them were homosexuals. The two seem to go together."

The Pink Swastika has been promoted by anti-gay groups like the Family Defense Council. The FDC's Dr. Howard Hurwitz called the book "a thoroughly researched, eminently readable, demolition of the 'gay' myth, symbolized by the pink triangle, that the Nazis were anti-homosexual."

In fact, while the number of homosexuals who died in the Holocaust does not approach the number of Jewish or Gypsy victims, the historical record shows that between 50,000 and 100,000 men were arrested for homosexuality (or suspicion of it) under the Nazi regime. They were routinely sent to concentration camps and marked with a pink triangle on their prison garb.

They were not systematically exterminated. But huge numbers are believed to have died in the work camps, along with an untold number of homosexual Jews, Gypsies and other "defectives" who were sent to extermination camps.

The myth that Nazis condoned or promoted homosexuality sprang up as a slander against Nazi leaders by their socialist opponents in the 1930s. Only one of the half-dozen leaders in Hitler's inner circle, Ernest Rohm, is believed by credible historians to have been gay.

The "gay Nazi" slander stuck, though, partly because German laws against homosexuals remained in place for a quarter of a century after World War II ended. That effectively silenced many homosexual victims of the Holocaust from telling their stories. A landmark survivor's memoir, The Men With the Pink Triangle, began to break that silence in 1972.

There is no question that the Nazis saw homosexuality as one aspect of the "degeneracy" they were determined to extinguish. When it came to power in 1933, the Nazi Party moved quickly to strengthen Germany's existing penalties against homosexuality. On Oct. 11, 1936, Hitler's security chief, Heinrich Himmler, went further, announcing that homosexuality was to be "eliminated" in Germany, along with miscegenation between the races.

In 1942, the death penalty was instituted for homosexuality. Offenders in the German military were routinely shot. "That wasn't a punishment," Himmler explained, "but simply the extinguishing of abnormal life. It had to be got rid of, just as we pull out weeds, throw them on a heap, and burn them."

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2005/anti-gay-religious-crusaders-claim-homosexuals-helped-mastermind-holocaust

I studied German History and understood the players in the early brownshirt movement. It was maladjusted sickos who flocked to fascism.......brutal losers who perpetrated street violence on innocents in the streets of Germany. Were all those early brownshirts homosexuals. No. Was Roehm and his followers largely homosexual.....yes. The thing is these discussions were taking place in 1972 and reputable historical publications referenced these early influences and much like ISIS now the over reaction to make Homosexual attraction evil and throwing folks off roofs. I stand by the historical perversion of the folks attracted to the brownshirts and ISIS, and find no perversion in regard to two loving people being attracted to each other........like a person who tries to call the brutal rape of a male by another male in a prison homosexuality when it is perverse sexual deviance and has nothing to do with love and respect between two human beings. No the perversion of ISIS and Nazis is much more like the brutal rape in a prison than it is an expression of love between two people who have equal footing and are free to leave the relationship.....one is normal and loving and the other is sick and deviant.

The nazis and ISIS are sick deviants who appeal to those sick criminals who probably if they were not raping boys and girls in Syria and Iraq would be committing some kind of horror. It is that strong backlash against loving homosexual relations which you want to blame on my Christian bible or Muslim Koran, and make all people of faith into evil people because certain tenets in the bible may be against your beliefs. I believe the bible is a automobile manual. Some will point to the push button on the radio as the most important part in the vehicle and argue that everything in the text is equal and sacred, other might point to the steering wheel and say this is important, but to condemn christians, and to call Muslims Ragheads just smells of that over reaction of history, and you can take that as homophobia, or you can take it as my repulsion of evil......there are differences.

2seaoat wrote:   I believe the bible is a automobile manual.   Some will point to the push button on the radio as the most important part in the vehicle.

If the radio is tuned to Brother Carl or Pat Robertson,  it would be the most important thing for homophobes like you.  lol

Exactly what have you done Bob to protect Homosexuals from oppression. You have admitted on these forums that you have never consummated a homosexual act, and your wanabee status strangled with fear and hate. You hid. Other brave people really got torn up, and it was those people who were threatened because they loved another of the same sex who came to me for protection. Do you have any idea what is like to get a homophobic police department to authorize charges where a neighbor terrorizes two women who happen to be in love? Do you know what it is like to have your life style condemned because you chose like every American to live in the open declaring your love for another.......of course you do not know because you hid, and feel this need to listen to hateful people on the radio and then simplify that all Christians and Muslims hate homosexuality. If you ever had the courage, you would look all around America and see multiracial, homosexuals, and yes even Muslims being integrated into our fabric as a nation.....loving families protecting those who have been persecuted.....but you hid.....you never acted on your love or desire, and like putting a dresser in front of a door you have created these imaginary demons. Muslims and Christians do not hate you. People who recognize that Nazis and ISIS are filled with sexual deviants and pervert criminals, and that married men of faith are not flocking to this movement, cannot tell the truth, because a pretender thinks calling those who fight bigotry, and those who have actually had same sex folks come to him for protection are not homophobic......Bob in the end you simply have lived your life scared to death, and I hope with the time you have left on this earth you will find true wisdom and free yourself from that radio dial and all the hate welled up in you. You are a good person, who is simply afraid. There is nothing to be afraid of, and yes my faith tells me that there is more in this world than we can with our senses understand, but I am not fearful but fully thankful for the weak and strong of this world because my faith says all should be treated equally.

That's the biggest word salad we've seen out of you yet.  Obviously because you've been outed for what you are.  And now I'm beginning to wonder if you aren't more than just a homophobe and instead you're what Sal likes to label people,  a "self-loathing homosexual" who pretends not to be one.
If that's what you are then you need counseling, not a message board.

Word salad......now you imply that I am a homosexual as if your anger at what I have said can hurt me by calling me a homosexual. If I was a homosexual, I would not hide the same. I would be proud and try to find a loving person of the same sex to share my life. I just happen to love women. Yes, I have been flirted with by both males and females, and I was not repulsed when a professor of Theater in college would wink at me each day. I simply was not sexually attracted to a man, and I have seen the pain of those who in fact act on their love of the same sex. You have admitted that you have never acted on your attraction. To me this is probably too sad for me to get my head around, and might in part explain the need to hatefully put down Mexicans and Muslims. I am not saying it is fun being in the southern environment and being artistic or free.......I remember one summer in Panama city with hair down to my shoulders and wearing granny glasses being called a homo because of my hair......you see I celebrated art, theater, and political freedom, but fully understood that good old boys did not like long hairs and artistic types......so the biggest put down was to call someone a homo.....like you are trying to do to me now....as if that would be a bad thing and I would shrink with fear......I simply am not a internet wally cox.....I am who I have portrayed myself on the PNJ and here, so if you want to call people ragheads, and you want to imply that I am a homosexual now in your anger, I would suggest you sit down and find the courage to simply realize you are a good person whoever you are attracted to and that you do not have to scapegoat Mexicans and Muslims, and give praise to the fascist Trump....we have simple choices in life and you are free to make the same.

From bob's article: " The "gay Nazi" slander stuck,"... no wonder why seagoat latched onto this revision propaganda.

There is no slander when the truth is told.   Isis has brutal raping of males by males, and then throws the victims off roofs.  This perversion of older males abusing younger males has been raised as a cultural flaw in the over hyped rejection of homosexuality in some of these nations.   Now the early brown shirts of Roehm most certainly had the same brutal deviation and abuse of boys within their ranks, and again there was a clear over reaction which resulted in homosexuals being persecuted by the nazis, in part a strategic move by Hitler to insulate himself of the innuendo of his early years after the war in Vienna, and one to simply eliminate a powerful early rival within the Nazi movement.

Real historians discussed these issues in the early 70s before it was co-opted by radical christian haters.   The historical facts remain, the same type of brutal sexual perversion which allows a rape of a male in a prison is distinct and different from a loving same sex relationship.   Sorry, if you were even remotely familiar with the sexual deviance of Nazis and the growing evidence of the same in ISIS, you would not confuse a loving relationship with clear deviance.   Like trying to make a priest who rapes a child into homosexuals when clearly the sexual deviation has more to do with power and abuse of the same.