Miami is sinking ... But Rubio says it's all okay because weather is always changing ...

Wordslinger wrote:No one can deny the fact that the sea is rising and Miami is already suffering.  Rick Scott's gang has ordered that the term "Global Warming" is not to be used by his administration.   That should solve the problem, right?

Methinks this subject in Florida  is an Ostrich who buries its head in the sand ... and then drowns.  The following well-written and clever article from The New Yorker magazine tells it like it is.  

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/12/21/the-siege-of-miami

SheWrites wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:No one can deny the fact that the sea is rising and Miami is already suffering.  Rick Scott's gang has ordered that the term "Global Warming" is not to be used by his administration.   That should solve the problem, right?

Methinks this subject in Florida  is an Ostrich who buries its head in the sand ... and then drowns.  The following well-written and clever article from The New Yorker magazine tells it like it is.  

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/12/21/the-siege-of-miami

Just another site in the US where a city was built on the edge of nature. Miami, New Orleans...of course you are going to flood...even without climate change and ice melt.

However, I'm not dismissing the facts of ice melt. I'm just saying choose your location to live a little better.

PkrBum wrote:

SheWrites wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:No one can deny the fact that the sea is rising and Miami is already suffering.  Rick Scott's gang has ordered that the term "Global Warming" is not to be used by his administration.   That should solve the problem, right?

Methinks this subject in Florida  is an Ostrich who buries its head in the sand ... and then drowns.  The following well-written and clever article from The New Yorker magazine tells it like it is.  

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/12/21/the-siege-of-miami

Just another site in the US where a city was built on the edge of nature.  Miami, New Orleans...of course you are going to flood...even without climate change and ice melt.  

However, I'm not dismissing the facts of ice melt.  I'm just saying choose your location to live a little better.  

Good point... the oceans have been rising for about 10k years since the end of the last glacial maximum. It would be smarter/cheaper for humans to migrate as they have throughout our history. There are complete cities now under hundreds of feet of water. That's the nature of our planet. It's a dangerous place... we should leave.

Wordslinger wrote:No one can deny the fact that the sea is rising and Miami is already suffering. Rick Scott's gang has ordered that the term "Global Warming" is not to be used by his administration. That should solve the problem, right?

Methinks this subject in Florida is an Ostrich who buries its head in the sand ... and then drowns. The following well-written and clever article from The New Yorker magazine tells it like it is.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/12/21/the-siege-of-miami

Markle wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:No one can deny the fact that the sea is rising and Miami is already suffering.  Rick Scott's gang has ordered that the term "Global Warming" is not to be used by his administration.   That should solve the problem, right?

Methinks this subject in Florida  is an Ostrich who buries its head in the sand ... and then drowns.  The following well-written and clever article from The New Yorker magazine tells it like it is.  

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/12/21/the-siege-of-miami

Cute try.

Yes, many people can deny that the sea is rising, and do.  What you say in your headline may be true.  Miami [Beach] is sinking. Your article is not about Miami, but rather Miami Beach.  A string of islands roughly 2 miles off the coast of Miami.

WOW!!  What a surprise, billions of tons of concrete and steel have been piled on tiny islands...and they are lower now than when all this began.  I am shocked, SHOCKED I SAY.

IF ocean was rising, then most of Key West would be under water.  It is not.  Yes, there are streets that flood with exceptionally high tides.  They flooded when I lived in Key West when I lived there in 1968 through 1970.  It really played havoc with cars rusting out.  Mallory Square, on the West side of the island, was a foot or so above the high tide when I lived there.  It still is today and hundreds of people gather there to see the street entertainers and magnificent sunsets every evening.

Probably not permitted now...but the solution to the salt problem with cars was a regular oil spray.  Filling stations saved the oil drained in an oil change.  When you took your car in for an oil spray, they had a special lift they would use and then they would spray and soak the entire under carriage of the car with used motor oil.  You'd drive off being protected from salt water, a bit of blue smoke for a 100 yards or so and slick tires.  But it worked.

One more time!

NOAA Radiosonde Data Shows No Warming For 58 Years
Posted on March 7, 2016, by Tony Heller

In their “hottest year ever” press briefing, NOAA included this graph, which stated that they have a 58-year long radiosonde temperature record. But they only showed the last 37 years in the graph.

http://realclimatescience.com/2016/03/noaa-radiosonde-data-shows-no-warming-for-58-years/

Wordslinger wrote:

Markle wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:No one can deny the fact that the sea is rising and Miami is already suffering.  Rick Scott's gang has ordered that the term "Global Warming" is not to be used by his administration.   That should solve the problem, right?

Methinks this subject in Florida  is an Ostrich who buries its head in the sand ... and then drowns.  The following well-written and clever article from The New Yorker magazine tells it like it is.  

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/12/21/the-siege-of-miami

Cute try.

Yes, many people can deny that the sea is rising, and do.  What you say in your headline may be true.  Miami [Beach] is sinking. Your article is not about Miami, but rather Miami Beach.  A string of islands roughly 2 miles off the coast of Miami.

WOW!!  What a surprise, billions of tons of concrete and steel have been piled on tiny islands...and they are lower now than when all this began.  I am shocked, SHOCKED I SAY.

IF ocean was rising, then most of Key West would be under water.  It is not.  Yes, there are streets that flood with exceptionally high tides.  They flooded when I lived in Key West when I lived there in 1968 through 1970.  It really played havoc with cars rusting out.  Mallory Square, on the West side of the island, was a foot or so above the high tide when I lived there.  It still is today and hundreds of people gather there to see the street entertainers and magnificent sunsets every evening.

Probably not permitted now...but the solution to the salt problem with cars was a regular oil spray.  Filling stations saved the oil drained in an oil change.  When you took your car in for an oil spray, they had a special lift they would use and then they would spray and soak the entire under carriage of the car with used motor oil.  You'd drive off being protected from salt water, a bit of blue smoke for a 100 yards or so and slick tires.  But it worked.

One more time!

NOAA Radiosonde Data Shows No Warming For 58 Years
Posted on March 7, 2016, by Tony Heller

In their “hottest year ever” press briefing, NOAA included this graph, which stated that they have a 58-year long radiosonde temperature record. But they only showed the last 37 years in the graph.

http://realclimatescience.com/2016/03/noaa-radiosonde-data-shows-no-warming-for-58-years/

I trust Markle and the folks at "realclimatescience.com" as much as I trust a cop who's also a card-carrying member of the KKK.  So, based on Markle's carefully crafted anti global warming hit piece here, I copied it and sent it to NOAA, asking them to tell me whether it's accurate or not, and why.  Stay tuned in folks, I'll broadcast the results as soon as I get them.   LOL

Wordslinger wrote:
Dear Sir or Madam:

In an online forum out of Pensacola, I posted a New Yorker article
claiming that the sea is rising and much of Miami will be underwater
within 100 years.  The article's online address is:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/12/21/the-siege-of-miami

One of the forum members who believes that Global Warming is a hoax
posted the following article as proof that NOAA's own records show no
rise in sea temperatures.  His article:

http://realclimatescience.com/2016/03/noaa-radiosonde-data-shows-no-warming-for-58-years/

Q:  Are either of the two articles above essentially correct?

Q:  Is the "realclimatescience.com" article an accurate interpretation
of NOAA research findings?

Frankly, I think my opponent is an anti-environmental activist and that
his POV is completely inaccurate.

But you guys are supposed to be the experts.   What can you tell me with
which I can refute my opponent, using real NOAA science?

Thank you for your assistance.

_____________________________________________

The answer:  

The "original NOAA radiosonde data" are from a paper published in 1979 by Angell and Korshover. These data came from a smaller set of stations than is currently used, and these data, at the time, were not corrected for the impact of changing instrumentation and measurement practices. The contemporary NOAA analyses, such as those published in the State of the Climate briefing, use the RATPAC A time series. The RATPAC information has the benefit of a larger station set, and 35 years of advancement in science since the Angell and Korshover publication.

Deke

_____________________
Semi-sane Markle rejects anything NOAA says about climate, because it's NOAA.  So who do you believe, a far right Pseudo scientist who is continually producing rightist propaganda on a number of subjects, or a spokesman for NOAA?

Markle wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:
Dear Sir or Madam:

In an online forum out of Pensacola, I posted a New Yorker article
claiming that the sea is rising and much of Miami will be underwater
within 100 years.  The article's online address is:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/12/21/the-siege-of-miami

One of the forum members who believes that Global Warming is a hoax
posted the following article as proof that NOAA's own records show no
rise in sea temperatures.  His article:

http://realclimatescience.com/2016/03/noaa-radiosonde-data-shows-no-warming-for-58-years/

Q:  Are either of the two articles above essentially correct?

Q:  Is the "realclimatescience.com" article an accurate interpretation
of NOAA research findings?

Frankly, I think my opponent is an anti-environmental activist and that
his POV is completely inaccurate.

But you guys are supposed to be the experts.   What can you tell me with
which I can refute my opponent, using real NOAA science?

Thank you for your assistance.

_____________________________________________

The answer:  

The "original NOAA radiosonde data" are from a paper published in 1979 by Angell and Korshover. These data came from a smaller set of stations than is currently used, and these data, at the time, were not corrected for the impact of changing instrumentation and measurement practices. The contemporary NOAA analyses, such as those published in the State of the Climate briefing, use the RATPAC A time series. The RATPAC information has the benefit of a larger station set, and 35 years of advancement in science since the Angell and Korshover publication.

Deke

_____________________
Semi-sane Markle rejects anything NOAA says about climate, because it's NOAA.  So who do you believe, a far right Pseudo scientist who is continually producing rightist propaganda on a number of subjects, or a spokesman for NOAA?

THANK YOU!  You have confirmed exactly what is in the article I submitted.

THANK YOU for you kind help and confirmation!

Wordslinger wrote:

Markle wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:
Dear Sir or Madam:

In an online forum out of Pensacola, I posted a New Yorker article
claiming that the sea is rising and much of Miami will be underwater
within 100 years.  The article's online address is:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/12/21/the-siege-of-miami

One of the forum members who believes that Global Warming is a hoax
posted the following article as proof that NOAA's own records show no
rise in sea temperatures.  His article:

http://realclimatescience.com/2016/03/noaa-radiosonde-data-shows-no-warming-for-58-years/

Q:  Are either of the two articles above essentially correct?

Q:  Is the "realclimatescience.com" article an accurate interpretation
of NOAA research findings?

Frankly, I think my opponent is an anti-environmental activist and that
his POV is completely inaccurate.

But you guys are supposed to be the experts.   What can you tell me with
which I can refute my opponent, using real NOAA science?

Thank you for your assistance.

_____________________________________________

The answer:  

The "original NOAA radiosonde data" are from a paper published in 1979 by Angell and Korshover. These data came from a smaller set of stations than is currently used, and these data, at the time, were not corrected for the impact of changing instrumentation and measurement practices. The contemporary NOAA analyses, such as those published in the State of the Climate briefing, use the RATPAC A time series. The RATPAC information has the benefit of a larger station set, and 35 years of advancement in science since the Angell and Korshover publication.

Deke

_____________________
Semi-sane Markle rejects anything NOAA says about climate, because it's NOAA.  So who do you believe, a far right Pseudo scientist who is continually producing rightist propaganda on a number of subjects, or a spokesman for NOAA?

THANK YOU!  You have confirmed exactly what is in the article I submitted.

THANK YOU for you kind help and confirmation!

Of course I did ... and wet is dry, warm is cold, etc ..