Republican-Leaning Cities Are At Greater Risk Of Job Automation

boards of FL wrote:http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/republican-leaning-cities-are-at-greater-risk-of-job-automation/

Well who would have guessed?

boards of FL wrote:The irony lies in the fact that it will be the batshit crazy republicans who will ultimately end up on the receiving end of the liberal policy benefits when their jobs are automated.  Imagine how awkward that will be for online political discourse.  Even today, red states are objectively proven to be greater receivers of federal benefits than blue states. Point being, blue states are already subsidizing red states as it is.  But just wait until this automation wave begins to spread through those red cities.

Markle wrote:

boards of FL wrote:The irony lies in the fact that it will be the batshit crazy republicans who will ultimately end up on the receiving end of the liberal policy benefits when their jobs are automated.  Imagine how awkward that will be for online political discourse.  Even today, red states are objectively proven to be greater receivers of federal benefits than blue states. Point being, blue states are already subsidizing red states as it is.  But just wait until this automation wave begins to spread through those red cities.

Still playing with a few fries short of a happy meal I see.

Millions of jobs left Michigan because of their closed shop laws and unions.  The unions, as you well know, fought bringing more automation and robots to the assembly lines in Michigan.  Management complied until imported cars began to be of superior construction and lower prices.

Automation is already common in the red states where more and more auto manufacturers are moving.

How much automation do you think there will be in the $2.5 BILLION Ford is building in Mexico?  How big a plant do you think $2.5 BILLION will build in Mexico?  They've already built, or are finishing, a plant in Mexico to build their engines.

boards of FL wrote:

Markle wrote:

boards of FL wrote:The irony lies in the fact that it will be the batshit crazy republicans who will ultimately end up on the receiving end of the liberal policy benefits when their jobs are automated.  Imagine how awkward that will be for online political discourse.  Even today, red states are objectively proven to be greater receivers of federal benefits than blue states. Point being, blue states are already subsidizing red states as it is.  But just wait until this automation wave begins to spread through those red cities.

Still playing with a few fries short of a happy meal I see.

Millions of jobs left Michigan because of their closed shop laws and unions.  The unions, as you well know, fought bringing more automation and robots to the assembly lines in Michigan.  Management complied until imported cars began to be of superior construction and lower prices.

Automation is already common in the red states where more and more auto manufacturers are moving.

How much automation do you think there will be in the $2.5 BILLION Ford is building in Mexico?  How big a plant do you think $2.5 BILLION will build in Mexico?  They've already built, or are finishing, a plant in Mexico to build their engines.

I'm actually surprised that your line of work wasn't automated at least a decade ago.  Trust me when I say that realtors [Realtors] are the travel agents of the very very near future.

Markle wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

Markle wrote:

boards of FL wrote:The irony lies in the fact that it will be the batshit crazy republicans who will ultimately end up on the receiving end of the liberal policy benefits when their jobs are automated.  Imagine how awkward that will be for online political discourse.  Even today, red states are objectively proven to be greater receivers of federal benefits than blue states. Point being, blue states are already subsidizing red states as it is.  But just wait until this automation wave begins to spread through those red cities.

Still playing with a few fries short of a happy meal I see.

Millions of jobs left Michigan because of their closed shop laws and unions.  The unions, as you well know, fought bringing more automation and robots to the assembly lines in Michigan.  Management complied until imported cars began to be of superior construction and lower prices.

Automation is already common in the red states where more and more auto manufacturers are moving.

How much automation do you think there will be in the $2.5 BILLION Ford is building in Mexico?  How big a plant do you think $2.5 BILLION will build in Mexico?  They've already built, or are finishing, a plant in Mexico to build their engines.

I'm actually surprised that your line of work wasn't automated at least a decade ago.  Trust me when I say that realtors [Realtors] are the travel agents of the very very near future.

If that was going to happen, it would have already.

There is a solid reason why it has not and will not happen.

Real estate is unlike that of travel agents or stock brokers.  Our market is not and cannot be centralized.  As the cliche' in real estate says, location, location, location.

Two houses, two warehouses, two office buildings, side by side can and often do have very different values.

Zillow, one of the largest national real estate information providers has been proven to give hugely wrong valuation results.  It isn't something that can be done with a "formula".

Back in the early 90's all the talk was that the listing agent would be a thing of the past.  I primarily work as a listing agent, I love working with sellers.  The reasoning was that owners would have access to the information necessary to properly market their own property.

Instead, what happened is that there is SO much information AND misinformation available most seller's are overwhelmed.  They need a Realtor to sort it all out.  Plus, many people do not want to deal directly with the buyer nor do they know all the disclosures now required.

When I started in real estate, 100 years ago, we had a single page, front and back, legal size contract.  The back had no blanks and contained all the various requirements for a real estate contract.  Today, the contract in Tallahassee is 15, letter size, one side pages.  PLUS, a 7 page Seller's Disclosure form must be added as an addendum.  If it is a condominium, there is another addendum required.  If it is contingent on the sale of another property, yep, another addendum.  Built before 1978, a brochure and another addendum.

Then there is a five-page form required when the buyer makes his loan application.  In certain areas, coastal restrictions apply and if it is in a low lying or flood zone, flood insurance is required.  In Florida, if a hurricane is "in the box" you can't get insurance anywhere in Florida until it is out of the box.

And the list goes on, and on, and on.    

Markle wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

Markle wrote:

boards of FL wrote:The irony lies in the fact that it will be the batshit crazy republicans who will ultimately end up on the receiving end of the liberal policy benefits when their jobs are automated.  Imagine how awkward that will be for online political discourse.  Even today, red states are objectively proven to be greater receivers of federal benefits than blue states. Point being, blue states are already subsidizing red states as it is.  But just wait until this automation wave begins to spread through those red cities.

Still playing with a few fries short of a happy meal I see.

Millions of jobs left Michigan because of their closed shop laws and unions.  The unions, as you well know, fought bringing more automation and robots to the assembly lines in Michigan.  Management complied until imported cars began to be of superior construction and lower prices.

Automation is already common in the red states where more and more auto manufacturers are moving.

How much automation do you think there will be in the $2.5 BILLION Ford is building in Mexico?  How big a plant do you think $2.5 BILLION will build in Mexico?  They've already built, or are finishing, a plant in Mexico to build their engines.

I'm actually surprised that your line of work wasn't automated at least a decade ago.  Trust me when I say that realtors [Realtors] are the travel agents of the very very near future.

If that was going to happen, it would have already.

There is a solid reason why it has not and will not happen.

Real estate is unlike that of travel agents or stock brokers.  Our market is not and cannot be centralized.  As the cliche' in real estate says, location, location, location.

Two houses, two warehouses, two office buildings, side by side can and often do have very different values.

Zillow, one of the largest national real estate information providers has been proven to give hugely wrong valuation results.  It isn't something that can be done with a "formula".

Back in the early 90's all the talk was that the listing agent would be a thing of the past.  I primarily work as a listing agent, I love working with sellers.  The reasoning was that owners would have access to the information necessary to properly market their own property.

Instead, what happened is that there is SO much information AND misinformation available most seller's are overwhelmed.  They need a Realtor to sort it all out.  Plus, many people do not want to deal directly with the buyer nor do they know all the disclosures now required.

When I started in real estate, 100 years ago, we had a single page, front and back, legal size contract.  The back had no blanks and contained all the various requirements for a real estate contract.  Today, the contract in Tallahassee is 15, letter size, one side pages.  PLUS, a 7 page Seller's Disclosure form must be added as an addendum.  If it is a condominium, there is another addendum required.  If it is contingent on the sale of another property, yep, another addendum.  Built before 1978, a brochure and another addendum.

Then there is a five-page form required when the buyer makes his loan application.  In certain areas, coastal restrictions apply and if it is in a low lying or flood zone, flood insurance is required.  In Florida, if a hurricane is "in the box" you can't get insurance anywhere in Florida until it is out of the box.

And the list goes on, and on, and on.    

boards of FL wrote:

Markle wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

Markle wrote:

boards of FL wrote:The irony lies in the fact that it will be the batshit crazy republicans who will ultimately end up on the receiving end of the liberal policy benefits when their jobs are automated. Imagine how awkward that will be for online political discourse. Even today, red states are objectively proven to be greater receivers of federal benefits than blue states. Point being, blue states are already subsidizing red states as it is. But just wait until this automation wave begins to spread through those red cities.

Still playing with a few fries short of a happy meal I see.

Millions of jobs left Michigan because of their closed shop laws and unions. The unions, as you well know, fought bringing more automation and robots to the assembly lines in Michigan. Management complied until imported cars began to be of superior construction and lower prices.

Automation is already common in the red states where more and more auto manufacturers are moving.

How much automation do you think there will be in the $2.5 BILLION Ford is building in Mexico? How big a plant do you think $2.5 BILLION will build in Mexico? They've already built or are finishing, a plant in Mexico to build their engines.

I'm actually surprised that your line of work wasn't automated at least a decade ago. Trust me when I say that realtors [Realtors] are the travel agents of the very very near future.

If that was going to happen, it would have already.

There is a solid reason why it has not and will not happen.

Real estate is unlike that of travel agents or stock brokers. Our market is not and cannot be centralized. As the cliche' in real estate says, location, location, location.

Two houses, two warehouses, two office buildings, side by side can and often do have very different values.

Zillow, one of the largest national real estate information providers has been proven to give hugely wrong valuation results. It isn't something that can be done with a "formula".

Back in the early 90's all the talk was that the listing agent would be a thing of the past. I primarily work as a listing agent, I love working with sellers. The reasoning was that owners would have access to the information necessary to properly market their own property.

Instead, what happened is that there is SO much information AND misinformation available most seller's are overwhelmed. They need a Realtor to sort it all out. Plus, many people do not want to deal directly with the buyer nor do they know all the disclosures now required.

When I started in real estate, 100 years ago, we had a single page, front, and back, legal size contract. The back had no blanks and contained all the various requirements for a real estate contract. Today, the contract in Tallahassee is 15, letter size, one side pages. PLUS, a 7 page Seller's Disclosure form must be added as an addendum. If it is a condominium, there is another addendum required. If it is contingent on the sale of another property, yep, another addendum. Built before 1978, a brochure and another addendum.

Then there is a five-page form required when the buyer makes his loan application. In certain areas, coastal restrictions apply and if it is in a low lying or flood zone, flood insurance is required. In Florida, if a hurricane is "in the box" you can't get insurance anywhere in Florida until it is out of the box.

And the list goes on, and on, and on.

The list actually hasn't even began. You didn't list anything there that would be an obstacle to automation. Not one thing.

Tell me one part of your job that can't be done - today - with software. What part of your job requires some type of expertise that a fairly basic program could not handle?

I would actually argue that real estate purchasing will be much much better and will deliver much more value once your profession is automated. I'll add a disclaimer which states that I have only ever been personally involved in three real estate sales/purchases. That said, in each of those the realtor actually hindered - not helped, but hindered - the sale. Had I or the seller/buyer been able to simply communicate directly via email or through some website structure, we could have spent considerably less time on the sale and could have saved a lot of money. The realtors [Realtors] involved added absolutely $0 in value to any of those transactions. None. Zip. Ziltch.

knothead wrote:

Markle wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

Markle wrote:

boards of FL wrote:The irony lies in the fact that it will be the batshit crazy republicans who will ultimately end up on the receiving end of the liberal policy benefits when their jobs are automated.  Imagine how awkward that will be for online political discourse.  Even today, red states are objectively proven to be greater receivers of federal benefits than blue states. Point being, blue states are already subsidizing red states as it is.  But just wait until this automation wave begins to spread through those red cities.

Still playing with a few fries short of a happy meal I see.

Millions of jobs left Michigan because of their closed shop laws and unions.  The unions, as you well know, fought bringing more automation and robots to the assembly lines in Michigan.  Management complied until imported cars began to be of superior construction and lower prices.

Automation is already common in the red states where more and more auto manufacturers are moving.

How much automation do you think there will be in the $2.5 BILLION Ford is building in Mexico?  How big a plant do you think $2.5 BILLION will build in Mexico?  They've already built, or are finishing, a plant in Mexico to build their engines.

I'm actually surprised that your line of work wasn't automated at least a decade ago.  Trust me when I say that realtors [Realtors] are the travel agents of the very very near future.

If that was going to happen, it would have already.

There is a solid reason why it has not and will not happen.

Real estate is unlike that of travel agents or stock brokers.  Our market is not and cannot be centralized.  As the cliche' in real estate says, location, location, location.

Two houses, two warehouses, two office buildings, side by side can and often do have very different values.

Zillow, one of the largest national real estate information providers has been proven to give hugely wrong valuation results.  It isn't something that can be done with a "formula".

Back in the early 90's all the talk was that the listing agent would be a thing of the past.  I primarily work as a listing agent, I love working with sellers.  The reasoning was that owners would have access to the information necessary to properly market their own property.

Instead, what happened is that there is SO much information AND misinformation available most seller's are overwhelmed.  They need a Realtor to sort it all out.  Plus, many people do not want to deal directly with the buyer nor do they know all the disclosures now required.

When I started in real estate, 100 years ago, we had a single page, front and back, legal size contract.  The back had no blanks and contained all the various requirements for a real estate contract.  Today, the contract in Tallahassee is 15, letter size, one side pages.  PLUS, a 7 page Seller's Disclosure form must be added as an addendum.  If it is a condominium, there is another addendum required.  If it is contingent on the sale of another property, yep, another addendum.  Built before 1978, a brochure and another addendum.

Then there is a five-page form required when the buyer makes his loan application.  In certain areas, coastal restrictions apply and if it is in a low lying or flood zone, flood insurance is required.  In Florida, if a hurricane is "in the box" you can't get insurance anywhere in Florida until it is out of the box.

And the list goes on, and on, and on.    

Mr. Markle, what is the customary % fee in Florida or is it is floating negotiable issue?

Markle wrote:I did list things that are unique to the real estate industry and why it has not been computerized.  Obviously, you are incapable of recognizing them.  That seems to be your problem.

SheWrites wrote:Not sure why we would want to put the real estate industry out of jobs for people - but - I can see how the real estate sales process could be handled by computer just like H&R Block does online taxes.  

May it never be.

No need to take jobs from many to make money for a few.

boards of FL wrote:

SheWrites wrote:Not sure why we would want to put the real estate industry out of jobs for people - but - I can see how the real estate sales process could be handled by computer just like H&R Block does online taxes.  

May it never be.

No need to take jobs from many to make money for a few.

50 years from now people will look back on today and say "How on earth did they live that way?  What a miserable existence!  Human beings were only valued for labor."

Job automation isn't a bad thing.

SheWrites wrote:


But what to do about the unemployment it will bring?  Where will new jobs for PEOPLE come from, Boards?  

SheWrites wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

SheWrites wrote:Not sure why we would want to put the real estate industry out of jobs for people - but - I can see how the real estate sales process could be handled by computer just like H&R Block does online taxes.  

May it never be.

No need to take jobs from many to make money for a few.

50 years from now people will look back on today and say "How on earth did they live that way?  What a miserable existence!  Human beings were only valued for labor."

Job automation isn't a bad thing.

But what to do about the unemployment it will bring?  Where will new jobs for PEOPLE come from, Boards?  

boards of FL wrote:

Markle wrote:I did list things that are unique to the real estate industry and why it has not been computerized.  Obviously, you are incapable of recognizing them.  That seems to be your problem.

Or, those things seem so complex to you that you simply can't fathom how simple they would be to automate.