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Trump can only be beat if the Republicans rally around Kasich

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2seaoat



Jeb has to give his support to Kasich. Rubio has to give up prior to March 1 and give his support to Kasich, and Cruz the worm still has to peel off crazies from Trump......Kasich will do well in Michigan, Ohio, Illinois, California, NY, where by population large Republican votes exist. However, if the Republican establishment does not swallow their pride and go with a man who may not march exactly to their subsidies for special interests, and who will cut budgets including defense......then they have Trump as their candidate.....last chance.

Sal

Sal

If that happens, the mouth-breathing, knuckle-draggers will be furious and will refuse to turnout for the general.

It really doesn't matter at this point what happens.

The GOP may never recover from this election cycle.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/07/ohio_gov_john_kasich_runs_the.html

Ohio Gov. John Kasich runs the risk of being perceived as a jerk: Brent Larkin

Gov. John Kasich thinks he's normal.

Defying a mountain of evidence to the contrary, Kasich recently told voters in New Hampshire the reason many view him as "unorthodox" is actually, "Because I'm normal."

Kasich is many things. Normal isn't one of them.

In fact, as Kasich prepares to run for president, expect more people to suggest in public what many who know him have been whispering in private for years.
Indelicate though it may be, it's a question worth asking:

Is John Kasich too big a jerk to be president?

Some in the national media have already raised the issue, with various degrees of sensitivity. The list includes Politico, the National Journal and NBC News.

The NBC report left nothing to the imagination. A June 11 story about Kasich, written by reporter Perry Bacon Jr., began this way:

"He could be a top contender for the GOP nomination. But first, he might want to get people to stop calling him a jerk."

The story went on to report what political insiders have known for years — that Kasich's grating style "is known to be brusque, confrontational and dismissive of others' views, even fellow conservatives."

It also quoted Fred Barnes, executive editor of the Weekly Standard and a powerful voice in Republican politics, as saying that if Kasich is to win the GOP nomination for president, he will have to stop "acting somewhat like a jerk."

That version of John Kasich was on full display in Columbus on June 26.

When talking about tax cuts in the new state budget, Kasich found a way, within the span of a just 39 words, to belittle every one of his six immediate predecessors.

As reported by The Columbus Dispatch, Kasich said this:

"John Gilligan raised taxes. Jim Rhodes raised taxes. Dick Celeste raised taxes. George Voinovich raised taxes. Bob Taft raised taxes. Ted Strickland raised taxes. Why? Not conservative with their [revenue] estimates, not controlling spending, not creating a business-friendly environment."

In Columbus, political insiders from both parties, but especially Republicans, were appalled. What he said was classless. It was nauseating. It was narcissistic. And it was factually wrong.

First, "controlling spending" didn't enable Kasich to cut taxes. Spending on state government has increased on his watch.

What enabled him to cut taxes was a surge in revenue experienced by Ohio and 49 other states as the nation recovered from the worst recession in 80 years — a recession triggered, in part, by the firm he worked for at the time, Lehman Brothers.

Foremost, Kasich was able to avoid raising taxes after taking office in 2011 only by making devastating cuts in state funding to local governments and schools.

And how did many of those school districts and local governments offset those draconian cuts made by the governor and his legislature?

By raising taxes.

In his attack on six former governors, two of whom are dead and unable to defend themselves, consider Kasich's twisted logic for including Strickland on his list of taxers: With the national economy collapsing, Strickland postponed the final year of a planned income tax cut. By not cutting taxes because a Republican president had driven the economy into a ditch, Ohio's Republican governor has decided Strickland's move qualified as a tax increase.

No wonder people find Kasich so off-putting. It's one thing to embellish one's own record; Kasich is a master at that. It's borderline despicable to twist the facts to disparage those who held the same office.

All six of those governors went through periods when a national downturn in the economy wreaked havoc with the state budget. Kasich has been fortunate to enjoy an economy Daffy Duck could manage.

National Journal reporter Michelle Cottle has described Kasich's "trademark rants" as "emotional, self-important and littered with shameless name-dropping."

Another National Journal reporter, Josh Kraushaar, Tweeted about Kasich on June 10 that he "met several potential supporters of his in NH [New Hampshire] who said they liked him less after meeting w [with] him one on one. That's rare in NH."

And a June story in Politico told of how about 20 people walked out of the room in disgust last year after Kasich snapped at Randy Kendrick, wife of Arizona Diamondbacks owner Ken Kendrick, during a Southern California conference sponsored by billionaire Republican donors Charles and David Koch.

When Kendrick asked Kasich why he describes his expansion of Medicaid in Ohio as something God wanted, Kasich replied by pointing at Kendrick and, his voice rising, saying, "I don't know about you, lady. But when I get to the Pearly Gates, I'm going to have an answer for what I've done for the poor."

That same Politico story told how, in early June, Kasich became indignant when a donor had the audacity to suggest that the governor may have waited too long to officially become a candidate for president.

Kasich angrily shot back, "You don't know what you're talking about."

Reports of Kasich mistreating people — especially those whose stations in life might not be as lofty — have been out there for years. But the closer one gets to the presidency, the greater the media scrutiny becomes. If Kasich begins to climb in the polls, expect to hear from some of those waiters, waitresses and other service employees with grievances. Temperament is a legitimate issue in a campaign for the White House.

If Kasich can persuade voters to look past his odious personality and elect him president, it will be a win for the ages.

Don't bet on it.

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2seaoat



After reading the article....I like Kasich even more. Going to a Koch brother event and saying the same thing he has said throughout the election process.....that he will take care of the poor.....pretty gutsy in a Koch brother event, and damn straight you need to be a jerk to say no to all the folks who do not want budgets cut........the man is far from perfect, but he is a competent experienced leader. All in for Kasich. Bernie, next, and Hillary if a crazy wins the Republican nomination, or a brokered convention puts a neocon as the Republican nominee. Boohoo.....he said that past governors did not do their job......please come to Illinois and talk about Republican and Democrats who did not balance budgets.......the truth is not pretty, but many states for thirty years have been caving to public unions, and the bill is coming do, and damn straight the blame should be assigned.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

If the vote in South Carolina and Nevada mirrors what the the polls are telling us,  Trump will be the nominee.

Can Trump beat Clinton or Sanders?  I wouldn't bet against it.

cool1

cool1

Bob wrote:If the vote in South Carolina and Nevada mirrors what the the polls are telling us,  Trump will be the nominee.

Can Trump beat Clinton or Sanders?  I wouldn't bet against it.


I think anyone could beat Clinton or Sanders -- Clintons bullshit--and Sanders free shit that everyone knows he cant do so yea I think right now Republicans will win - I have noticed every time they go after Trump so far his numbers go up , Shows you how pissed the country is.

Sal

Sal

So, you don't like free shit when you're not the one getting it?

Vikingwoman



cool1 wrote:
Bob wrote:If the vote in South Carolina and Nevada mirrors what the the polls are telling us,  Trump will be the nominee.

Can Trump beat Clinton or Sanders?  I wouldn't bet against it.


I think anyone could beat Clinton or Sanders -- Clintons bullshit--and Sanders free shit that everyone knows he cant do so yea I think right now Republicans will win - I have noticed every time they go after Trump so far his numbers go up , Shows you how pissed the country is.

Aren't you getting Obamacare? I can imagine how pissed that makes you.

Sal

Sal

Vikingwoman wrote:
Aren't you getting Obamacare? I can imagine how pissed that makes you.

It's not free!! ...

... or as free as it's supposed to be ...

... or something.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Wall St Journal/NBC News poll...  Cruz jumps ahead of Trump nationally after Trump debate performance.

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/surprise-trump-falls-behind-cruz-national-nbc-wsj-poll-n520296

Looks like Trump finally jumped the shark.  And who woulda guessed it.  It was because he insulted that hayseed.  Jesus H Christ how goofy.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

And apparently it's only the hayseed who they're in love with.  Because the hayseed's brother came in dead last in the same poll.  lmao

Markle

Markle

Vikingwoman wrote:
cool1 wrote:
Bob wrote:If the vote in South Carolina and Nevada mirrors what the the polls are telling us,  Trump will be the nominee.

Can Trump beat Clinton or Sanders?  I wouldn't bet against it.


I think anyone could beat Clinton or Sanders -- Clintons bullshit--and Sanders free shit that everyone knows he cant do so yea I think right now Republicans will win - I have noticed every time they go after Trump so far his numbers go up , Shows you how pissed the country is.

Aren't you getting Obamacare? I can imagine how pissed that makes you.

"Getting Obamacare"? Is that the thing that was going to cost $2,500.00 less per year, you could absolutely keep your doctor is you wanted, but you couldn't, and your deductible went so high you might as well not have insurance? THAT Obamacare?

cool1

cool1

I could lie and get free shit like some people -- Obama has not done me any favors period lol I don't like forced ins--period . Why in the hell are we giving the Obama ins--to many that aren't suppose to be on there and they have no way of going after these people to get the money back --shit if I do something wrong they sure as hell find me , The whole thing is nothing but a scam .

free schooling --free food---free housing -- free phones -- Some People just don't want to work anymore I guess. Im glad I didn't raise my daughter up thinking she doesn't have to do anything but sit on her butt and reap in freebies . Funny thing is people really don't think whos paying for it because they don't care .

cool1

cool1

Better to be fined for not having insurance if you ask me , Its cheaper going that route Rolling Eyes

Sal

Sal

cool1 wrote:I could lie and get free shit like some people -- Obama has not done me any favors period lol  I don't like forced ins--period . Why in the hell are we giving the Obama ins--to many that aren't suppose to be on there and they have no way of going after these people to get the money back --shit if I do something wrong they sure as hell find me , The whole thing is nothing but a scam .  

free schooling --free food---free housing -- free phones --  Some People just don't want to work anymore I guess.  Im glad I didn't raise my daughter up thinking she doesn't have to do anything but sit on her butt and reap in freebies . Funny thing is people really don't think whos paying for it because they don't care .


Vote Trump!

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

After watching last night's republican town hall with Kasich, Bush and Trump, it was clear that the only decent, compassionate human who spoke wasn't from New York or Texas.

Kasish is a good man. His economic ideas are total bullshit, but of all the republican candidates he's the only one with whom I can relate. Can you imagine getting a real, caring hug from Rubio, Cruz, or Trump?

I thought not.

Sal

Sal

Wordslinger wrote:Can you imagine getting a real, caring hug from Rubio, Cruz, or Trump?


boards of FL

boards of FL

cool1 wrote:Better to be fined for not having insurance if you ask me , Its cheaper going that route Rolling Eyes



But if there is a program that will subsidize your health insurance should you not be able to afford it on your own, shouldn't you go ahead and get health insurance?   What will you do when you need medical care?


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cool1

cool1

I do have insurance im playing the game like everyone else for now

Vikingwoman



cool1 wrote:I could lie and get free shit like some people -- Obama has not done me any favors period lol  I don't like forced ins--period . Why in the hell are we giving the Obama ins--to many that aren't suppose to be on there and they have no way of going after these people to get the money back --shit if I do something wrong they sure as hell find me , The whole thing is nothing but a scam .  

free schooling --free food---free housing -- free phones --  Some People just don't want to work anymore I guess.  Im glad I didn't raise my daughter up thinking she doesn't have to do anything but sit on her butt and reap in freebies . Funny thing is people really don't think whos paying for it because they don't care .


So other people are paying for your care and you're in on the scam but Obama hasn't done you any favors? BTW, they do have a way to get the money back by your taxes.

Vikingwoman



cool1 wrote:I do have insurance im playing the game like everyone else for now

Vote Republican, Cool, so you don't have any insurance at all. That'll fix those lazy bums!

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

The only question at this point in the Republican nomination contest is which way Kasich, Jeb!, and Carson supporters will go when those candidates drop out.

I'm guessing Rubio will pick up most of Kasich & Jeb! support ... and the Carson crowd will move mostly toward Cruz.

Cruz' star will begin falling as voters begin to realize A. how thin his resume actually is, and B. What a dick he actually is.

I still think it's gonna be Rubio .... if only because he'll be the least-objectionable candidate left in the race.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

EmeraldGhost wrote:The only question at this point in the Republican nomination contest is which way Kasich, Jeb!, and Carson supporters will go when those candidates drop out.

I'm guessing Rubio will pick up most of Kasich & Jeb! support ... and the Carson crowd will move mostly toward Cruz.

Cruz' star will begin falling as voters begin to realize A. how thin his resume actually is, and B.  What a dick he actually is.

I still think it's gonna be Rubio .... if only because he'll be the least-objectionable candidate left in the race.

And how is Rubio's resume "thicker" than that of Senator Cruz?

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EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

And how is Rubio's resume "thicker" than that of Senator Cruz?

Well, for starters Cruz has only held one elected position in his entire life ... the rest of his career has consisted of political appointments.

Rubio was elected City Commissioner of West Miami and served 8 years in the Florida State Legislature ... part of that as Majority Leader and part of that as Speaker of the House.  He was legislatively very active during his time in the Florida House.   He also taught law part-time and had his own law firm for a time.

Granted .... that's not necessarily a ton of political/governmental experience, (he's still a young guy)  but it's a lot more than Cruz has.

After law school Cruz received appointments to clerk for a Federal Appeals Court judge & later for Rheinquist at SCOTUS ...he got hired by a big Houston law firm where he worked on NRA issues, he jumped on board with 'Shrub's' 2000 campaign & was appointed as a policy advisor and later appointed to a position at DOJ.   He was then appointed to the office of Solicitor General in Texas, went to work for another big Houston corporate law firm; and finally was recruited in 2012 to run for Senate to replace Kay Bailey Hutchinson.  (it was kind of a gimme election .. no real opposition)    Somebody with that many political appointments & big-law hires has some pretty influential friends behind him somewhere.

Don't get me wrong ... Rubio's not my favorite candidate and I have many policy differences with him, but he's much preferable than Cruz to me.   I also think he has a better chance to win the general election.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

EmeraldGhost wrote:The only question at this point in the Republican nomination contest is which way Kasich, Jeb!, and Carson supporters will go when those candidates drop out.

I'm guessing Rubio will pick up most of Kasich & Jeb! support ... and the Carson crowd will move mostly toward Cruz.

Cruz' star will begin falling as voters begin to realize A. how thin his resume actually is, and B.  What a dick he actually is.

I still think it's gonna be Rubio .... if only because he'll be the least-objectionable candidate left in the race.

What about TRUMP...the leader? Rubio has already demonstrated repeatedly that he's not ready for prime time...and probably never will be.

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