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No, 2015 Was Not The Hottest Year Evah…. Whoever makes this claim will be an idiot, a liar, a charlatan

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Hospital Bob
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Markle

Markle

Just helping my Socialist/Communiist old friend Wordslinger with FACTS.

No, 2015 Was Not The Hottest Year Evah…

Over the next few days and weeks you will hear lots and lots of stories about how 2015 was the “Hottest Year Evah”.

Every time you do so, reach for your Browning. Whoever makes this claim will be an idiot, a liar, a charlatan – or, in the case of many establishment climate scientists, most likely all three.

Here is why they’re all talking rubbish and you needn’t worry about that “Hottest Year Evah” one bit.

1. The satellite data show no warming

2016-01-20-13-31-07

Compare the two trends (right): the upward one comes from the surface temperature dataset used by NASA GISS (and NOAA and the Met Office – they’re all pretty much interchangeable); the flat trend comes from the more accurate satellite data. Which one do you trust?

2. NASA has fiddled the raw temperature data on an ‘unbelievable scale’

From the publicly available data, Ewert made an unbelievable discovery: Between the years 2010 and 2012 the data measured since 1881 were altered so that they showed a significant warming, especially after 1950. […] A comparison of the data from 2010 with the data of 2012 shows that NASA-GISS had altered its own datasets so that especially after WWII a clear warming appears – although it never existed.

3. NOAA is just as bad

Whether this represents mere incompetence or calculated fraud by NOAA is for future courts to decide. What we do know is that the problem dates back at least to the 1990s when, for some unexplained reason, NOAA decided to halve the number of weather stations used for its official records. Even more mysteriously, the ones it chose to keep tended to show more global warming while the ones it rejected tended to show much less.

4. According to the satellites it was only the third warmest year (since 1979)

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As you can see 1998 was hotter; so was 2010. And that’s just in the years since satellite records began in 1979. The planet has been hotter than this many times before, most recently during the Medieval Warming Period.

5. The claim is meaningless anyway

Here’s how Dr. Richard Lindzen, an emeritus Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences at MIT, puts it:

“I urge you when looking at a graph, check the scales! The uncertainty here is tenths of a degree.”

“When someone points to this and says this is the warmest temperature on record. What are they talking about? It’s just nonsense. This is a very tiny change period. And they are arguing over hundredths of a degree when it is uncertain in tenths of a degree.”

“And the proof that the uncertainty is tenths of a degree are the adjustments that are being made. If you can adjust temperatures to 2/10ths of a degree, it means it wasn’t certain to 2/10ths of a degree.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/21/2825535/

Markle

Markle

ONCE AGAIN, the Progressives are on the run.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

You said I'm a progressive.  And I'm not running now.  Because I want to VENT first.

I'm deciding this will be the very last time I ever want to hear the words "global warming" from any human being or from any life form on Earth or anywhere else in this whole fucking universe.
I'm sick of the arguing,  the scientists,  the politics,  the al gores,  the rush limbaughs,  all of it.  I flat no longer give a flying fuck if the globe is warming or cooling or doing neither.

From now on,  whenever I see or hear the words "global" and "warming" in the same sentence,  regardless if it's on television,  on the internet,  it's written,  it's spoken,  or even if I learn sign language and I see it there;  I'm changing the channel,  changing the thread,  changing the webpage, or burning the book (pro, con, undecided or any other). 

But after having said the last thing I'll ever say for the rest of my life about this,  I am now going to start running.  Running from you,  from seaoat/bds/sal,  from obama,  from trump,  from all of you. 

But if you or bds/sal/seaoat gives me any lip because of this,  I'm gonna stop running and start VENTING again.

2seaoat



The science is settled, but the flat earth society still exists.........so why argue when it is settled.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

2seaoat wrote:The science is settled,

Glad to hear it.  I hope before you and I both die a horrible death from cancer,  global warming will cause the ocean to rise high enough to flood my backyard patio and the property you're clearing off and take me and you with it.
At least I won't have to hear about it anymore.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Bob wrote:I'm deciding this will be the very last time I ever want to hear the words "global warming" from any human being or from any life form on Earth or anywhere else in this whole fucking universe.
I'm sick of the arguing,  the scientists,  the politics,  the al gores,  the rush limbaughs,  all of it.  I flat no longer give a flying fuck if the globe is warming or cooling or doing neither.

I am sick of it too. It is greatly sensationalized, and the people backing the movement have social-engineering plans in the works that go way beyond making the Earth cooler. The old communist movements of the 20th Century would marvel at what the climate change folks are wanting to impose upon mankind.

http://www.best-electric-barbecue-grills.com

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:The science is settled, but the flat earth society still exists.........so why argue when it is settled.

You know as well as anyone, the science was never settled.

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:The science is settled, but the flat earth society still exists.........so why argue when it is settled.

You know as well as anyone, the science has never and will never be settled.

Guest


Guest

2seaoat wrote:The science is settled, but the flat earth society still exists.........so why argue when it is settled.

Science is rarely if ever settled. Einstein proved others wrong... and others have proved einstein wrong. The only thing settled is the political agenda. Humans have adapted for millenia... and will adapt to climate change. It doesn't require govt edicts.

Stop being so scared and reactionary.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

I was watching CNN before I went to bed last night.
The field reporter was walking around Central Park amongst all the snow. 
And during the report,  Steven Tyler and his middle aged daughter walked up to the reporter and started talking to her.

The reporter was star struck when this happened.  So she said "you both are very famous people so what do you think about all this?"

Tyler's daughter then spoke right up and said "I know this is global warming but it's a lot of fun.  It reminds me of when Dad and I used to play in the snow and make snow angels".

Then the reporter said to Steven Tyler:  "Don't you want to tell all the viewers that they should stay home and not get out in all this?"
And Tyler then says "Yes you should all stay inside because it's too dangerous for you to be out in this".  With a straight face.

This was on opposite Saturday Night Live.  I says to myself "who needs Saturday Night Live when you have CNN".  And then I went to bed.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


The fact is that 2015 was a year of drastic weather abnormalities. The sad part of this is that the focus has been taken off pollution. We're fighting some of the same battles...and some new ones...over the poisoning of air, water, soil and animal life that we fought in the '60's and '70's...with some new ones. It won't matter whether (insert unmentionable words) is real if we kill the planet. Mother Nature's ability to clean up after our mistakes is limited.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:Just helping my Socialist/Communiist old friend Wordslinger with FACTS.

No, 2015 Was Not The Hottest Year Evah…

Over the next few days and weeks you will hear lots and lots of stories about how 2015 was the “Hottest Year Evah”.

Every time you do so, reach for your Browning. Whoever makes this claim will be an idiot, a liar, a charlatan – or, in the case of many establishment climate scientists, most likely all three.

Here is why they’re all talking rubbish and you needn’t worry about that “Hottest Year Evah” one bit.

1. The satellite data show no warming

2016-01-20-13-31-07

Compare the two trends (right): the upward one comes from the surface temperature dataset used by NASA GISS (and NOAA and the Met Office – they’re all pretty much interchangeable); the flat trend comes from the more accurate satellite data. Which one do you trust?

2. NASA has fiddled the raw temperature data on an ‘unbelievable scale’

From the publicly available data, Ewert made an unbelievable discovery: Between the years 2010 and 2012 the data measured since 1881 were altered so that they showed a significant warming, especially after 1950. […] A comparison of the data from 2010 with the data of 2012 shows that NASA-GISS had altered its own datasets so that especially after WWII a clear warming appears – although it never existed.

3. NOAA is just as bad

Whether this represents mere incompetence or calculated fraud by NOAA is for future courts to decide. What we do know is that the problem dates back at least to the 1990s when, for some unexplained reason, NOAA decided to halve the number of weather stations used for its official records. Even more mysteriously, the ones it chose to keep tended to show more global warming while the ones it rejected tended to show much less.

4. According to the satellites it was only the third warmest year (since 1979)

image_thumb39

image_thumb40

As you can see 1998 was hotter; so was 2010. And that’s just in the years since satellite records began in 1979. The planet has been hotter than this many times before, most recently during the Medieval Warming Period.

5. The claim is meaningless anyway

Here’s how Dr. Richard Lindzen, an emeritus Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences at MIT, puts it:

“I urge you when looking at a graph, check the scales! The uncertainty here is tenths of a degree.”

“When someone points to this and says this is the warmest temperature on record. What are they talking about? It’s just nonsense. This is a very tiny change period. And they are arguing over hundredths of a degree when it is uncertain in tenths of a degree.”

“And the proof that the uncertainty is tenths of a degree are the adjustments that are being made. If you can adjust temperatures to 2/10ths of a degree, it means it wasn’t certain to 2/10ths of a degree.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/21/2825535/


We're supposed to believe Breitbart instead of NOAA? You've got to be kidding!

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:Just helping my Socialist/Communiist old friend Wordslinger with FACTS.

No, 2015 Was Not The Hottest Year Evah…

Over the next few days and weeks you will hear lots and lots of stories about how 2015 was the “Hottest Year Evah”.

Every time you do so, reach for your Browning. Whoever makes this claim will be an idiot, a liar, a charlatan – or, in the case of many establishment climate scientists, most likely all three.

Here is why they’re all talking rubbish and you needn’t worry about that “Hottest Year Evah” one bit.

1. The satellite data show no warming

2016-01-20-13-31-07

Compare the two trends (right): the upward one comes from the surface temperature dataset used by NASA GISS (and NOAA and the Met Office – they’re all pretty much interchangeable); the flat trend comes from the more accurate satellite data. Which one do you trust?

2. NASA has fiddled the raw temperature data on an ‘unbelievable scale’

From the publicly available data, Ewert made an unbelievable discovery: Between the years 2010 and 2012 the data measured since 1881 were altered so that they showed a significant warming, especially after 1950. […] A comparison of the data from 2010 with the data of 2012 shows that NASA-GISS had altered its own datasets so that especially after WWII a clear warming appears – although it never existed.

3. NOAA is just as bad

Whether this represents mere incompetence or calculated fraud by NOAA is for future courts to decide. What we do know is that the problem dates back at least to the 1990s when, for some unexplained reason, NOAA decided to halve the number of weather stations used for its official records. Even more mysteriously, the ones it chose to keep tended to show more global warming while the ones it rejected tended to show much less.

4. According to the satellites it was only the third warmest year (since 1979)

image_thumb39

image_thumb40

As you can see 1998 was hotter; so was 2010. And that’s just in the years since satellite records began in 1979. The planet has been hotter than this many times before, most recently during the Medieval Warming Period.

5. The claim is meaningless anyway

Here’s how Dr. Richard Lindzen, an emeritus Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences at MIT, puts it:

“I urge you when looking at a graph, check the scales! The uncertainty here is tenths of a degree.”

“When someone points to this and says this is the warmest temperature on record. What are they talking about? It’s just nonsense. This is a very tiny change period. And they are arguing over hundredths of a degree when it is uncertain in tenths of a degree.”

“And the proof that the uncertainty is tenths of a degree are the adjustments that are being made. If you can adjust temperatures to 2/10ths of a degree, it means it wasn’t certain to 2/10ths of a degree.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/21/2825535/


We're supposed to believe Breitbart instead of NOAA?  You've got to be kidding!

Cute try. Each item has its own source and link. You knew that but had nothing else so threw this up against the wall. REALLY amusing coming from someone who constantly uses Alternet. You do have a sense of humor.

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