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Marijuana related traffic deaths double since legalization

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nadalfan
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/21/washington-marijuana-related-traffic-fatalities-double-after-pot-legalized/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

Yep told ya so

dumpcare



Yep and if you had read the whole article you would have seen this:

Many of the heavily-drugged drivers also tested positive for alcohol or other kinds of drugs.

So that is flawed, I didn't see anywhere that any of these fatalitie's resulted in marijuana use only. ONLY

Now how many related alcohol death's were in Washington State or Florida for that matter last year?

No one care's if you don't want to legalize it. You can vote against it when it comes up next time.

The only times I even dared drive after smoking many years ago was when I was also drinking alcohol with it. Otherwise I had no desire to go anywhere.

nadalfan



http://reason.com/blog/2015/08/21/is-marijuana-causing-more-car-crashes-in

and

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-fatal-traffic-accidents-on-pace-for-deadliest-year-since-2007-national-safety-council/

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ppaca wrote:Yep and if you had read the whole article you would have seen this:

Many of the heavily-drugged drivers also tested positive for alcohol or other kinds of drugs.

So that is flawed, I didn't see anywhere that any of these fatalitie's resulted in marijuana use only. ONLY

Now how many related alcohol death's were in Washington State or Florida for that matter last year?

No one care's if you don't want to legalize it. You can vote against it when it comes up next time.

The only times I even dared drive after smoking many years ago was when I was also drinking alcohol with it. Otherwise I had no desire to go anywhere.

This is just one state. Imagine this nationwide? NO thanks. We have enough issues with drinking and driving. I stated before that people would end up in a combination of intoxication. Adding pot (which mellows you out and according to my friend Judge Goodman, "....is the drug of I DONT CARE") to the mix was a giant mistake. This will only get worse.

TEOTWAWKI

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Sucks you seem fine with getting High on the adrenalin rush of war and murder.

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Just more yellow journalism. The desire to control those that are causing you no harm with the force of govt is evil.

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:Sucks you seem fine with getting High on the adrenalin rush of war and murder.  


War and murder. I am sure that's your definition of it.

2seaoat



The central question for the state of Colorado should be how did legalization of pot impact death stats since legalization.  The simple fact is that less people are dying on Colorado roads since the legalization.  Lives are being saved since legalization.   Somebody who smokes on a Saturday night, and has an accident the following Thursday will have THC in their system in some cases for up to a month while not being impaired when the accident happens.   The tests and correlations only work when more accurate tests are developed.  

LESS PEOPLE HAVE DIED IN TRAFFIC RELATED ACCIDENTS IN COLORADO SINCE LEGALIZATION OF POT THAN THE AVERAGE TRAFFIC DEATHS BEFORE LEGALIZATION.

THERE IS NO DISPUTE.....POT HAS NOT INCREASED TRAFFIC DEATHS AND A VALID ARGUMENT CAN BE MADE THAT POT IS SAVING LIVES.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/08/05/since-marijuana-legalization-highway-fatalities-in-colorado-are-at-near-historic-lows/

2seaoat



Yep told ya so

You were wrong once again.  Having trace amounts of THC in a person's system does not prove that the person was impaired at the time of driving.   The tests are crude and incomplete, and because there is not a good test to determine impairment, legislators make it per se illegal to have THC in ones system even though there is NO correlation of the same and impaired driving.  It is a legislative deterrence theory, but it proves NOTHING as to deaths and there cause.   The best indication if legalization of POT is harmful to society is was there a spike in Auto deaths since legalization.....the answer is no.  I have posted the thread.   You and the judge are wrong.

10Marijuana related traffic deaths double since legalization Empty W 8/22/2015, 3:24 pm

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Obamasucks wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:Sucks you seem fine with getting High on the adrenalin rush of war and murder.  


War and murder. I am sure that's your definition of it.

Attacking and killing people that have done nothing to you without a declaration of war, especially civilians is murder pure and simple.  Those people have every right to kill those that are attacking them. Self defense is a right against thuggish aggressors. Nothing righteous about any American war in the last 30 years. It's all about oil and profit and kissing Israeli ass.

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PkrBum wrote:Just more yellow journalism. The desire to control those that are causing you no harm with the force of govt is evil.

What if they had not been caught and killed someone? Nuf said.

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Obamasucks wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Just more yellow journalism. The desire to control those that are causing you no harm with the force of govt is evil.

What if they had not been caught and killed someone? Nuf said.

Almost without exception (certainly no greater percentage than elderly or adolescence) they drive home fine.

Maybe you have a skewed idea of what the effects are and their duration. Don't believe everything you read/hear.

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:
Obamasucks wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:Sucks you seem fine with getting High on the adrenalin rush of war and murder.  


War and murder. I am sure that's your definition of it.

Attacking and killing people that have done nothing to you without a declaration of war, especially civilians is murder pure and simple.  Those people have every right to kill those that are attacking them. Self defense is a right against thuggish aggressors. Nothing righteous about any American war in the last 30 years. It's all about oil and profit and kissing Israeli ass.

I helped save American lives each one of my seven trips to the Sandbox. Declaration of war? Give it a rest. Your government doesn't want to hurt folks feelings that they might trade with in the long run. In that lack of declaration, it has put myself and others at risk due to the asinine ROEs we get for each theatre. We have performed beyond expectation despite fighting with rules of war that make following orders and keeping our folks alive that much more difficult. You sit here and judge us ( those who have been part of the GWOT ) as if you could have done better. Far from it. You're a hypocrite in the largest measure. You wouldn't even been good enough to palletize my stuff for the trip across the pond.

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PkrBum wrote:
Obamasucks wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Just more yellow journalism. The desire to control those that are causing you no harm with the force of govt is evil.

What if they had not been caught and killed someone? Nuf said.

Almost without exception (certainly no greater percentage than elderly or adolescence) they drive home fine.

Maybe you have a skewed idea of what the effects are and their duration. Don't believe everything you read/hear.

Do you feel like that with drunk drivers? It's all good huh?

Markle

Markle

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Sucks you seem fine with getting High on the adrenalin rush of war and murder.  

That's just being childish. Grow up.

What is the topic?

Markle

Markle

Tallahassee

By: WCTV Eyewitness News
August 21, 2015

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Charges have been filed in the death of 14-year-old Chiles student Ansley Rayborn.

The State Attorney's Office for the Third Judicial Circuit has charged 15-year-old Hunter Goodwin with third degree felony murder, vehicular homicide and grand theft of a motor vehicle.

16-year-old Cody Elkins has been charged with manslaughter and tampering with evidence, according to the State Attorney's Office.

Rayborn was killed when she was ejected from a Chevy Tahoe that crashed into a ditch on Old Chemonie Road.

Deputies found liquor bottles and drug paraphernalia around the site of the accident.

Deputies also said the 15-year-old driver was observed by witnesses drinking alcohol and smoking marijuana late into the night prior to the crash.

4 other occupants of the vehicle were transported to Tallahassee Memorial Hospital that morning.

http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/2-Teens-Charged-in-Death-of-14-Year-Old-Ansley-Rayborn-322527752.html

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Markle wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:Sucks you seem fine with getting High on the adrenalin rush of war and murder.  

That's just being childish.  Grow up.

What is the topic?

At last we get an honest and sincere question from Semi-sane "I know NOSSING!" Markle: "What is the topic?" LOL

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Obamasucks wrote:
PkrBum wrote:
Obamasucks wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Just more yellow journalism. The desire to control those that are causing you no harm with the force of govt is evil.

What if they had not been caught and killed someone? Nuf said.

Almost without exception (certainly no greater percentage than elderly or adolescence) they drive home fine.

Maybe you have a skewed idea of what the effects are and their duration. Don't believe everything you read/hear.

Do you feel like that with drunk drivers? It's all good huh?

No... but just as there are legal limits for drinking... the effects of pot are rarely that of being legally drunk.

I don't want anyone driving while legally impaired.

2seaoat



We have developed accurate tests for impairment with alcohol.  BAC is science.  Studies can with reasonable scientific certainty determine the level of impairment by BAC level.  Unfortunately, the correlation of THC traces in the blood does no such impairment science.  The legislators knowing that impaired driving has risks created a zero tolerance standard in blood collection....any trace amount which does not measure impairment....it is impairment neutral, and therefore having THC does NOT prove cause in an accident....it just meets the per se threshold created by legislators.

The scientific method requires looking at the total deaths.  However, if science can allow for new tests which like BAC can give scientific certainty to levels, then people will have a basis of criticism of legalized pot.  Until then it must be meta data and not a per se threshold which explains nothing.  Total deaths in auto accidents in a particular state is about as good as we can get at this time.  We need better testing protocols with pot.

dumpcare



2seaoat wrote:The central question for the state of Colorado should be how did legalization of pot impact death stats since legalization.  The simple fact is that less people are dying on Colorado roads since the legalization.  Lives are being saved since legalization.   Somebody who smokes on a Saturday night, and has an accident the following Thursday will have THC in their system in some cases for up to a month while not being impaired when the accident happens.   The tests and correlations only work when more accurate tests are developed.  

LESS PEOPLE HAVE DIED IN TRAFFIC RELATED ACCIDENTS IN COLORADO SINCE LEGALIZATION OF POT THAN THE AVERAGE TRAFFIC DEATHS BEFORE LEGALIZATION.

THERE IS NO DISPUTE.....POT HAS NOT INCREASED TRAFFIC DEATHS AND A VALID ARGUMENT CAN BE MADE THAT POT IS SAVING LIVES.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/08/05/since-marijuana-legalization-highway-fatalities-in-colorado-are-at-near-historic-lows/

It usually stays in your system 30 days at least that what they say in regards to drug tests.

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