Pensacola Discussion Forum
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

This is a forum based out of Pensacola Florida.


You are not connected. Please login or register

Court rules Obamacare is a TAX....Back to the scotus.....

3 posters

Go down  Message [Page 1 of 1]

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

http://www.wnd.com/2015/08/court-obamacares-473-billion-in-taxes-not-revenue/

Court: Obamacare's $473 billion in taxes not 'revenue'

The majority of the D.C. Circuit judges, on the request for rehearing from PLF, said the $473 billion in revenue from the bill really isn’t revenue. And they ruled that the “Senate may amend House-originated revenue bills without limit.”

“The purpose of the ACA was to overhaul the national healthcare system, not to raise revenue,” the majority wrote. “”The centerpiece … is a requirement that individuals purchase insurance, supported in part by the tax subsidies where needed. A mandate that people lacking insurance pay to the government a ‘shared responsibility payment’ is designed to encourage individuals to buy coverage.”

But the minority said there is “a serious constitutional question about the 2010 Affordable Care Act.”


......“Did Congress’ enactment of the act comport with the Origination Clause of the Constitution? … If the Affordable Care Act did not meet the requirements of the Origination Clause, then the Act – or at least revenue-raising provisions such as the individual mandate – must be invalidated.”

They concluded that that the idea that Obamacare “was not a revenue-raising bill …. is untenable.”

2seaoat



The blog is totally wrong.  Some of the stuff printed is crazy.  You need to get good sources.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Yes So you say.....think I will discount you not them...you are not that reliable...you are horribly biased.


At least two other challenges to Obamacare still are looming. One alleges it violates the Fourth, Fifth and Ninth amendment provisions on privacy, and another says Obama arbitrarily has made changes to the law – outside of Congress.

dumpcare



http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/09/everybody-has-to-pay-this-new-obamacare-tax/

All Americans who bought health insurance policies this year – not just those enrolled in Obamacare – face a 41 percent increase in excise taxes because of hidden fees contained in an obscure section of the Affordable Care Act, according to an investigation by The Daily Caller News Foundation.

Virtually everyone who pays for health care insurance this year will be affected by the tax. The little-known tax was imposed on all consumers regardless of whether they obtained their insurance through Obamacare or through their employer or as individuals in the private market.

This year the tax will cost individuals more than $500 in extra premiums according to one actuarial estimate. Families who purchased insurance will see their premiums go up by more than $700.

The new tax also hits senior citizens who rely on Medicare Part D and Medicare Advantage. It will land on the nation’s poor who depend upon Medicaid-managed care programs.

The 41 percent sticker shock increase doesn’t stop in 2015, however. Over the next four years, the statutorily mandated Obamacare fees are expected to double again.

Over the next decade, consumers will pay more than $145 billion for the tax, according to the Congressional Budget Office. The levy will continue to go up each and every year into the future.

The tax was buried by congressional authors in section 9010 of the law and was envisioned as a way to raise future funds to pay for Obamacare.

The Obamacare fees were designed by the program’s authors to be delayed, kicking in only in 2014 at $8 billion and mushrooming into a $14.3 billion annual price tag on insurance policies by 2018.


Republican Sen. John Barrasso, who favors repeal of section 9010, said the tax “is another example of how the president’s health care law was designed so the most painful parts of the law kick in years later.”

CBO reported the fee was a “statutorily fixed” amount that must be collected each year from consumers, as opposed to a percentage rate.

The statute describes the levy is an “annual fee” but health-care economists say it has been commonly referred to as an excise tax.

The Joint Committee on Taxation said the Obamacare tax was “similar to an excise tax based on the sales price of health insurance contracts.”

The panel predicted the fee on insurance policies would be borne by consumers. The panel also told then-Sen. Jon Kyl in a June 2011 letter that, “an excise tax generally is borne by consumers in the form of higher prices.”

An actuarial review of the Section 9010 by the management firm Oliver Wyman for the health insurance industry predicted that individual policyholders will pay $514 more this year due to the Obamacare tax.

Those who use small group policies will see a rise of $688, while family coverage would rise by $719, the firm stated.

ronically, the elderly and the poor — those who were supposed to benefit most from Obamacare — will be adversely affected by the new tax, as will financially hard-pressed state governments.

Section 9010 mandates that taxes must be paid for seniors who rely on Medicare Advantage and Medicare Part D.

Oliver Wyman estimated Medicare Advantage would cost seniors $360 more this year. Medicaid managed-care enrollees will be expected to face increases of $152, according to the firm.

Milliman, the national health actuarial firm, reported in 2014 that states will lose 52 cents for every dollar they receive from Medicaid because of the fee.

“The result is a transfer of $0.52 from state government to the federal government for every $1.00 of ACA health insurer fee,” the accounting firm said




DailyCaller



HOME
2016
POLITICS
US
ENTERTAINMENT
SPORTS
BUSINESS
TECH
EDUCATION
OPINION
OUTDOORS
ENERGY
BLOGS
THE MIRROR
MATT LEWIS
DC TRAWLER
SEND A TIP

Trump: ‘Enough Is Enough- No More Bushes!’ [VIDEO]
Former PP Director: I Profited By Convincing Women To Donate Aborted Babies
Get To Know Hillary Clinton’s $350 Billion College Plan
Walker: ‘Everywhere In The World Hillary Clinton Has Touched Is More Messed Up Today Than Before’
Using a dedicated credit card just for groceries makes a lot of sense and here's why
NextAdvisor
iPhone 6 Plus's Being Sold for Next to Nothing
QuiBids
by TaboolaPromoted Links


DAILY CALLER NEWS FOUNDATION
Everybody Has To Pay This New Obamacare Tax
Photo of Richard Pollock
RICHARD POLLOCK
11:02 PM 08/09/2015
7859467

All Americans who bought health insurance policies this year – not just those enrolled in Obamacare – face a 41 percent increase in excise taxes because of hidden fees contained in an obscure section of the Affordable Care Act, according to an investigation by The Daily Caller News Foundation.

Virtually everyone who pays for health care insurance this year will be affected by the tax. The little-known tax was imposed on all consumers regardless of whether they obtained their insurance through Obamacare or through their employer or as individuals in the private market.

This year the tax will cost individuals more than $500 in extra premiums according to one actuarial estimate. Families who purchased insurance will see their premiums go up by more than $700.

The new tax also hits senior citizens who rely on Medicare Part D and Medicare Advantage. It will land on the nation’s poor who depend upon Medicaid-managed care programs.

10 Mega Pastors Bank Accounts You Won't Believe!
Wura.tv
6 Worthless Exercises You Probably Do
ThePostGame
23 Breathtaking Photos Of Aircraft In Action
Odometer
by TaboolaSponsored Links
The 41 percent sticker shock increase doesn’t stop in 2015, however. Over the next four years, the statutorily mandated Obamacare fees are expected to double again.

Over the next decade, consumers will pay more than $145 billion for the tax, according to the Congressional Budget Office. The levy will continue to go up each and every year into the future.

The tax was buried by congressional authors in section 9010 of the law and was envisioned as a way to raise future funds to pay for Obamacare.

The Obamacare fees were designed by the program’s authors to be delayed, kicking in only in 2014 at $8 billion and mushrooming into a $14.3 billion annual price tag on insurance policies by 2018.


Republican Sen. John Barrasso, who favors repeal of section 9010, said the tax “is another example of how the president’s health care law was designed so the most painful parts of the law kick in years later.”

CBO reported the fee was a “statutorily fixed” amount that must be collected each year from consumers, as opposed to a percentage rate.

The statute describes the levy is an “annual fee” but health-care economists say it has been commonly referred to as an excise tax.

The Joint Committee on Taxation said the Obamacare tax was “similar to an excise tax based on the sales price of health insurance contracts.”

The panel predicted the fee on insurance policies would be borne by consumers. The panel also told then-Sen. Jon Kyl in a June 2011 letter that, “an excise tax generally is borne by consumers in the form of higher prices.”

An actuarial review of the Section 9010 by the management firm Oliver Wyman for the health insurance industry predicted that individual policyholders will pay $514 more this year due to the Obamacare tax.

Those who use small group policies will see a rise of $688, while family coverage would rise by $719, the firm stated.

Ironically, the elderly and the poor — those who were supposed to benefit most from Obamacare — will be adversely affected by the new tax, as will financially hard-pressed state governments.

Section 9010 mandates that taxes must be paid for seniors who rely on Medicare Advantage and Medicare Part D.

Oliver Wyman estimated Medicare Advantage would cost seniors $360 more this year. Medicaid managed-care enrollees will be expected to face increases of $152, according to the firm.

Milliman, the national health actuarial firm, reported in 2014 that states will lose 52 cents for every dollar they receive from Medicaid because of the fee.

“The result is a transfer of $0.52 from state government to the federal government for every $1.00 of ACA health insurer fee,” the accounting firm said.

Milliman further said the Obamacare tax will cost states 1.8 percent to 2.8 percent more for Medicaid managed care, which is a low-cost way to offer medical services to the poor. Half of the nation’s Medicaid recipients are signed up by the states under Medicaid managed care, according to Milliman.

This fee, while seemingly low, can put many Medicare-managed care companies at great financial risk or perhaps out of business.

“Given Medicaid managed care profit margins were less than 2% in CY 2012, increases of this magnitude are meaningful,” Milliman said.

The actuarial firm estimated the Obamacare tax will cause the states that use Medicaid-managed care losses of up to $13.9 billion.

For years the health insurance industry has battled but failed to persuade Congress or the president to repeal the tax.

Earlier this year, Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch and Barrasso introduced legislation to repeal the excise tax. It has 38 Republican co-sponsors. No Democrats have backed the bill to date.




DailyCaller



HOME
2016
POLITICS
US
ENTERTAINMENT
SPORTS
BUSINESS
TECH
EDUCATION
OPINION
OUTDOORS
ENERGY
BLOGS
THE MIRROR
MATT LEWIS
DC TRAWLER
SEND A TIP

Trump: ‘Enough Is Enough- No More Bushes!’ [VIDEO]
Former PP Director: I Profited By Convincing Women To Donate Aborted Babies
Get To Know Hillary Clinton’s $350 Billion College Plan
Walker: ‘Everywhere In The World Hillary Clinton Has Touched Is More Messed Up Today Than Before’
Using a dedicated credit card just for groceries makes a lot of sense and here's why
NextAdvisor
iPhone 6 Plus's Being Sold for Next to Nothing
QuiBids
by TaboolaPromoted Links


DAILY CALLER NEWS FOUNDATION
Everybody Has To Pay This New Obamacare Tax
Photo of Richard Pollock
RICHARD POLLOCK
11:02 PM 08/09/2015
7859467

All Americans who bought health insurance policies this year – not just those enrolled in Obamacare – face a 41 percent increase in excise taxes because of hidden fees contained in an obscure section of the Affordable Care Act, according to an investigation by The Daily Caller News Foundation.

Virtually everyone who pays for health care insurance this year will be affected by the tax. The little-known tax was imposed on all consumers regardless of whether they obtained their insurance through Obamacare or through their employer or as individuals in the private market.

This year the tax will cost individuals more than $500 in extra premiums according to one actuarial estimate. Families who purchased insurance will see their premiums go up by more than $700.

The new tax also hits senior citizens who rely on Medicare Part D and Medicare Advantage. It will land on the nation’s poor who depend upon Medicaid-managed care programs.

10 Mega Pastors Bank Accounts You Won't Believe!
Wura.tv
6 Worthless Exercises You Probably Do
ThePostGame
23 Breathtaking Photos Of Aircraft In Action
Odometer
by TaboolaSponsored Links
The 41 percent sticker shock increase doesn’t stop in 2015, however. Over the next four years, the statutorily mandated Obamacare fees are expected to double again.

Over the next decade, consumers will pay more than $145 billion for the tax, according to the Congressional Budget Office. The levy will continue to go up each and every year into the future.

The tax was buried by congressional authors in section 9010 of the law and was envisioned as a way to raise future funds to pay for Obamacare.

The Obamacare fees were designed by the program’s authors to be delayed, kicking in only in 2014 at $8 billion and mushrooming into a $14.3 billion annual price tag on insurance policies by 2018.


Republican Sen. John Barrasso, who favors repeal of section 9010, said the tax “is another example of how the president’s health care law was designed so the most painful parts of the law kick in years later.”

CBO reported the fee was a “statutorily fixed” amount that must be collected each year from consumers, as opposed to a percentage rate.

The statute describes the levy is an “annual fee” but health-care economists say it has been commonly referred to as an excise tax.

The Joint Committee on Taxation said the Obamacare tax was “similar to an excise tax based on the sales price of health insurance contracts.”

The panel predicted the fee on insurance policies would be borne by consumers. The panel also told then-Sen. Jon Kyl in a June 2011 letter that, “an excise tax generally is borne by consumers in the form of higher prices.”

An actuarial review of the Section 9010 by the management firm Oliver Wyman for the health insurance industry predicted that individual policyholders will pay $514 more this year due to the Obamacare tax.

Those who use small group policies will see a rise of $688, while family coverage would rise by $719, the firm stated.

Ironically, the elderly and the poor — those who were supposed to benefit most from Obamacare — will be adversely affected by the new tax, as will financially hard-pressed state governments.

Section 9010 mandates that taxes must be paid for seniors who rely on Medicare Advantage and Medicare Part D.

Oliver Wyman estimated Medicare Advantage would cost seniors $360 more this year. Medicaid managed-care enrollees will be expected to face increases of $152, according to the firm.

Milliman, the national health actuarial firm, reported in 2014 that states will lose 52 cents for every dollar they receive from Medicaid because of the fee.

“The result is a transfer of $0.52 from state government to the federal government for every $1.00 of ACA health insurer fee,” the accounting firm said.

Milliman further said the Obamacare tax will cost states 1.8 percent to 2.8 percent more for Medicaid managed care, which is a low-cost way to offer medical services to the poor. Half of the nation’s Medicaid recipients are signed up by the states under Medicaid managed care, according to Milliman.

This fee, while seemingly low, can put many Medicare-managed care companies at great financial risk or perhaps out of business.

“Given Medicaid managed care profit margins were less than 2% in CY 2012, increases of this magnitude are meaningful,” Milliman said.

The actuarial firm estimated the Obamacare tax will cause the states that use Medicaid-managed care losses of up to $13.9 billion.

For years the health insurance industry has battled but failed to persuade Congress or the president to repeal the tax.

Earlier this year, Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch and Barrasso introduced legislation to repeal the excise tax. It has 38 Republican co-sponsors. No Democrats have backed the bill to date.

Hatch described the tax as “yet another hidden health care tax arbitrarily created to pay for Obamacare.”

Republican Rep. Charles W. Boustany introduced legislation in the House to repeal Section 9010. He has claimed bipartisan support among the 218 co-sponsors, a majority of the House.

The only group exempted from the tax are people who work in large corporations that “self-insure” their workforce. In a self-insurance system, no insurance company is used, only the company assets.

USA Families, a non-profit group that vigorously supports Obamacare, did not respond to a TheDCNF request for comment on the tax.







2seaoat



The balance of taxes collected and subsidies given is TOTALLY within the congressional powers under the constitution.  Next......

Sponsored content



Back to top  Message [Page 1 of 1]

Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum