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COURT UPHOLDS OBAMACARE

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boards of FL

boards of FL

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/25/politics/supreme-court-ruling-obamacare/index.html


Great day for Americans!  Terrible day for republicans!

The supreme court has thwarted the republican plan to revoke health insurance from 6.4 million Americans!


Washington (CNN)Obamacare has survived -- again.

In a 6-3 decision, the Supreme Court saved the controversial health care law that will define President Barack Obama's administration for generations to come.

The ruling holds that the Affordable Care Act authorized federal tax credits for eligible Americans living not only in states with their own exchanges but also in the 34 states with federal marketplaces. It staved off a major political showdown and a mad scramble in states that would have needed to act to prevent millions from losing health care coverage.

"Five years ago, after nearly a century of talk, decades of trying, a year of bipartisan debate, we finally declared that in America, health care is not a privilege for a few but a right for all," Obama said from the White House. "The Affordable Care Act is here to stay"

In a moment of high drama, Chief Justice John Roberts sent a bolt of tension through the Court when he soberly announced that he would issue the majority opinion in the case. About two-thirds of the way through his reading, it became clear that he again would be responsible for rescuing Obamacare.

"Congress passed the Affordable Care Act to improve health insurance markets, not to destroy them," Roberts wrote in the majority opinion. "If at all possible, we must interpret the Act in a way that is consistent with the former, and avoids the latter."

READ: John Roberts' big moment: Will he anger conservatives again?

He was joined by Justice Anthony Kennedy -- who is often the Court's swing vote -- and the four liberal justices. Justice Antonin Scalia wrote the dissent, joined by Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito.

When he finished, Roberts announced that Scalia would read a dissent.

"Indeed," the veteran justice replied, sparking laughter in the Court and offering a preview of the stinging repudiation of the majority opinion he was about to unfurl.

'Interpretative jiggery-pokery'
Seated right next to the Chief Justice, Scalia proceeded to eviscerate his reasoning. He reeled off a string of unflattering descriptions about the ruling, calling it "wonderfully convenient," complaining about "interpretative jiggery-pokery" and arguing it was not the Court's job to make up for the sloppy drafting of the law by Congress.

Roberts heard the dissent throughout without giving a visible reaction until Scalia quipped that the law should be called SCOTUScare, causing the Chief Justice to FART and sending laughter through the public galleries.

Challengers to the law argued that the federal government should not be allowed to continue doling out subsidies to individuals living in states without their own health insurance exchanges and a ruling in their favor would have cut off subsidies to 6.4 million Americans, absent a congressional fix or state action.

The ruling is a huge victory for President Barack Obama, who nearly saw four words in the Affordable Care Act throw his signature achievement into chaos.

"By focusing on the text and structure of the statute, as opposed to the IRS's interpretation of the statute, today's decision means that the next President can't just undo federal exchanges. Instead, it will take an Act of Congress—and a President willing to sign it—to thwart the heart of Obamacare," said Steve Vladeck, a CNN contributor and law professor at American University.

Subsidies
The income-based subsidies are crucial to the law's success, helping to make health insurance more affordable and ultimately reducing the number of uninsured Americans, and shutting off the subsidy spigot to individuals in the 34 states that rely on exchanges run by the federal government would have upended the law.

Congress would have had to amend the Affordable Care Act to fix its language that subsidies would be available only to those who purchase insurance on exchanges "established by the state" -- a politically treacherous and likely untenable action in a Republican Congress. Alternatively, governors in the 34 states without their own exchanges, most of them Republicans, would have had to establish their own exchanges -- another tough ask.

Roberts, writing for the majority, said while the contentious phrase was ambiguous, its meaning in context of the law as a whole was clear.

"The context and structure of the Act compel us to depart from what would otherwise be the most natural reading of the pertinent statutory phrase," Roberts wrote.

The conservative Chief Justice was once again an unlikely hero in saving Obama's signature legislative achievement. He took heat from conservatives in 2012 when he first saved the law from a major constitutional challenge in a decision that stunned pundits and politicos across the ideological spectrum.

2016
Republican presidential candidates quickly denounced the ruling.

"I disagree with the Court's ruling and believe they have once again erred in trying to correct the mistakes made by President Obama and Congress in forcing Obamacare on the American people," said Florida Sen. Marco Rubio. "I remain committed to repealing this bad law and replacing it with my consumer-centered plan that puts patients and families back in control of their health care decisions."

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said he was "disappointed" by the ruling."

"But this decision is not the end of the fight against Obamacare," he said. "As President of the United States, I would make fixing our broken health care system one of my top priorities."

Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton took to Twitter to praise the decision.

"Yes!" she tweeted. "SCOTUS affirms what we know is true in our hearts & under the law: Health insurance should be affordable & available to all."

Just 16 states and the District of Columbia have set up their own health insurance marketplaces, which left millions of residents in the 34 states that rely on exchanges run by the federal government vulnerable to the Supreme Court's ruling.

Challengers had argued that the words "established by the State" clearly barred the government from doling out subsidies in the 34 states without their own healthcare marketplaces.

They said that Congress limited the subsidies in order to encourage the states to set up their own exchanges and when that failed on a large scale, the IRS tried to "fix" the law.

"If the rule of law means anything, it is that text is not infinitely malleable, and that agencies must follow the law as written—not revise it to 'better achieve' what they assume to have been Congress's purposes," wrote Michael Carvin, an attorney for the challengers.

But it was Solicitor Generald Donald B. Verrilli, Jr. who won over the justices, arguing that Congress always intended the subsidies be available to everyone -- regardless of the actions of their state leaders.

Verrilli warned in court briefs that if the challengers prevailed, the states with federally-run exchanges "would face the very death spirals the Act was structured to avoid and insurance coverage for millions of their residents would be extinguished."

Lower courts had split on the issue. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia invalidated the IRS rule while the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in favor of the Obama administration.

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EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

I'm new here .... but isn't one thread on this topic sufficient?

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Floridatexan

Floridatexan


What's completely disgusting about this is the time and money the GOP has wasted trying to undo the law.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/03/23/3417482/gop-opposition/

Blow By Blow: A Comprehensive Timeline Of The GOP’s 4-Year Battle To Kill Obamacare

BY IGOR VOLSKY POSTED ON MARCH 23, 2014 AT 10:55 AM



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ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

EmeraldGhost wrote:I'm new here .... but isn't one thread on this topic sufficient?

Now wait a minute.... Poster KarlRove always starts 2-3 threads on the same subject when he wants to emphasize something.

Semi-demented poster Markle will come along and soon post his "anti-thread." When he sees a thread he does not like, he quickly starts a new thread that contradicts the other poster's thread. it is comical to watch this behavior....

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boards of FL

boards of FL

EmeraldGhost wrote:I'm new here .... but isn't one thread on this topic sufficient?


While I agree with you and would not have created this thread had I noticed ppaca's, I would venture to guess that nearly half of all threads created in the last week are related to Roof and the flag, and you're going to pick these two threads to call out?

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dumpcare



ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
EmeraldGhost wrote:I'm new here .... but isn't one thread on this topic sufficient?

Now wait a minute.... Poster KarlRove always starts 2-3 threads on the same subject when he wants to emphasize something.

Semi-demented poster Markle will come along and soon post his "anti-thread." When he sees a thread he does not like, he quickly starts a new thread that contradicts the other poster's thread. it is comical to watch this behavior....

Come on Z it's in your wording semi demented Markle, he doesn't even know there is another thread on the same subject when he starts a new one.

Karl knows better

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Markle

Markle

boards of FL wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/25/politics/supreme-court-ruling-obamacare/index.html


Great day for Americans!  Terrible day for republicans!  

The supreme court has thwarted the republican plan to revoke health insurance from 6.4 million Americans!


Washington (CNN)Obamacare has survived -- again.


Terrible day for Americans! Terrible day for Republicans.

Saying Obamacare has survived--again, is like saying your cancer has survived...again.

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boards of FL

boards of FL

Markle wrote:
boards of FL wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/25/politics/supreme-court-ruling-obamacare/index.html


Great day for Americans!  Terrible day for republicans!  

The supreme court has thwarted the republican plan to revoke health insurance from 6.4 million Americans!


Washington (CNN)Obamacare has survived -- again.


Terrible day for Americans!  Terrible day for Republicans.

Saying Obamacare has survived--again, is like saying your cancer has survived...again.


6.4 million Americans get to keep their insurance today as a result of the republican defeat.  I would consider that to be a good thing.  Well, for Americans, at least.  Terrible terrible day for republicans.

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TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

This is great news now more Democrats can get their full battery of Shots....mmmm that good healthy vaccine......Shouldn't put any strain on an already well oiled hospital system.....

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Telstar

Telstar


I wonder is Obamacare covers republicans that are sick of Obama.

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2seaoat



I wonder is Obamacare covers republicans that are sick of Obama.

Yes, one of the best features of the ACA is the coverage for mental health issues.

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TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

2seaoat wrote:I wonder is Obamacare covers republicans that are sick of Obama.

Yes, one of the best features of the ACA is the coverage for mental health issues.

You should know....

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Telstar

Telstar

2seaoat wrote:I wonder is Obamacare covers republicans that are sick of Obama.

Yes, one of the best features of the ACA is the coverage for mental health issues.





lol!

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ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

2seaoat wrote:I wonder is Obamacare covers republicans that are sick of Obama.

Yes, one of the best features of the ACA is the coverage for mental health issues.

Good One!!!


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15COURT UPHOLDS OBAMACARE  Empty Re: COURT UPHOLDS OBAMACARE 6/25/2015, 5:51 pm

2seaoat



When just about the most respected Republican who served the longest as a Republican Speaker of the House is abusing students and harming them because he cannot come to grips with his sexual orientation, and pays hush money.....I think the entire Republican Party has simply forgotten about the middle class and are more concerned with religion, their morality, and some serious dysfunction.  Thankfully, President Obama recognizing the need across the aisle had made sure they can get help......at least we are getting rid of their rally flag, now if only the psychiatrist can make them feel comfortable with a night light.

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Guest


Guest

2seaoat wrote:When just about the most respected Republican who served the longest as a Republican Speaker of the House is abusing students and harming them because he cannot come to grips with his sexual orientation, and pays hush money.....I think the entire Republican Party has simply forgotten about the middle class and are more concerned with religion, their morality, and some serious dysfunction.  Thankfully, President Obama recognizing the need across the aisle had made sure they can get help......at least we are getting rid of their rally flag, now if only the psychiatrist can make them feel comfortable with a night light.

Lol... all because of one perv. You don't even think before you type anymore... it just comes pouring out.

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2seaoat



I knew the man for thirty years and he was the last bastion of sanity in the Republican Party, and when I heard what he had done, I have been devastated.  I cannot think of one reason that a person can become a member of the Republican Party which has evolved into a fearful, hateful, prejudiced shill for the the 1%.  None.   Now local politics I remain a republican and donate to candidates, but House, Senate, and the Presidency.....unless somebody presents a platform which is good for America.....I will vote for the best person despite the party affiliation....I have NEVER voted for a Democrat for President.

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Sal

Sal

Markle wrote:
Terrible day for Americans!  Terrible day for Republicans.

Saying Obamacare has survived--again, is like saying your cancer has survived...again.

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Guest


Guest

" which has evolved into a fearful, hateful, prejudiced shill for the the 1%."

This is hillary exactly... and anyone that thinks differently is willfully ignorant. Worse yet... her 1% is foreign too.

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2seaoat



Hillary tried to get Americans health care.......she failed, but her heart has always been trying to help middle class Americans.....she is however smart enough to know that to help Americans when you are not independently wealthy you need money for campaigns......it would be great to have congress assume their constitutional role as the overseers of elections which Citizens has limited their ability to regulate which is their constitutional mandated role.

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