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Climate scientists criticize government paper that erases ‘pause’ in warming

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VectorMan

Until last week, government data on climate change indicated that the Earth has warmed over the last century, but that the warming slowed dramatically and even stopped at points over the last 17 years.

But a paper released May 28 by researchers at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has readjusted the data in a way that makes the reduction in warming disappear, indicating a steady increase in temperature instead. But the study’s readjusted data conflict with many other climate measurements, including data taken by satellites, and some climate scientists aren’t buying the new claim.

“While I’m sure this latest analysis from NOAA will be regarded as politically useful for the Obama administration, I don’t regard it as a particularly useful contribution to our scientific understanding of what is going on,” Judith Curry, a climate science professor at Georgia Tech, wrote in a response to the study.

And in an interview, Curry told FoxNews.com that that the adjusted data doesn’t match other independent measures of temperature.

“The new NOAA dataset disagrees with a UK dataset, which is generally regarded as the gold standard for global sea surface temperature datasets,” she said. “The new dataset also disagrees with ARGO buoys and satellite analyses.”

The NOAA paper, produced by a team of researchers led by Tom Karl, director of the agency’s National Climatic Data Center, found most of its new warming trend by adjusting past measurements of sea temperatures.

Global ocean temperatures are estimated both by thousands of commercial ships, which record the temperature of the water entering their engines, and by thousands of buoys – floatation devices that sit in the water for years.

The buoys tend to get cooler temperature readings than the ships, likely because ships’ engines warm the water. Meanwhile, in recent years, buoys have become increasingly common. The result, Karl says, is that even if the world’s oceans are warming, the unadjusted data may show it not to be warming because more and more buoys are being used instead of ships. So Karl’s team adjusted the buoy data to make them line up with the ship data. They also double-checked their work by making sure that the readjusted buoy readings matched ships’ recordings of nighttime air temperatures.

The paper came out last week, and there has not been time for skeptical scientists to independently check the adjustments, but some are questioning it because of how much the adjusted data vary from other independent measurements.

First, it disagrees with the readings of more than 3,000 “ARGO buoys,” which are specifically designed to float around the ocean and measure temperature. Some scientists view their data as the most reliable.

The ARGO buoy data do not show much warming in surface temperature since they were introduced in 2003. But Karl’s team left them out of their analysis, saying that they have multiple issues, including lack of measurements near the Arctic.

In an email, Karl told FoxNews.com that the ARGO buoy readings may be added to his data “if scientific methods can be found to line up these two types of temperatures together … (of course after correcting the systematic offsets) … This is part of the cumulative and progressive scientific process.”

Karl’s study also clashes with satellite measurements. Since 1979, NOAA satellites have estimated the temperature of Earth’s atmosphere. They show almost no warming in recent years and closely match the surface data before Karl’s adjustments.

The satellite data is compiled by two separate sets of researchers, whose results match each other closely. One team that compiles the data includes Climate Professors John Christy and Roy Spencer at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, both of whom question Karl’s adjusted data.

“The study is one more example that you can get any answer you want when the thermometer data errors are larger than the global warming signal you are looking for,” Spencer told FoxNews.com.

We believe the satellite measurements since 1979 provide a more robust measure of global temperatures, and both satellite research groups see virtually the same pause in global temperatures for the last 18 years,” he said.

Karl said satellite data also have issues, including “orbital decay, diurnal sampling, instrument calibration target temperatures and more.”

Spencer said he agreed that those are issues, but they are less problematic than using data from thousands of ships and buoys. He added that there are a couple of satellites monitoring temperature at any given time, and that they are used to check each other.

Skeptics say there are yet more measurements, including those coming from balloon data, that line up with existing data more than with Karl’s newly adjusted data. They also note that even with Karl’s adjustments, the warming trend he finds over the last 17 years is below what U.N. models had predicted.

Some climate scientists applaud Karl’s adjustments and say they debunk the idea that the Earth has stopped warming.

“[This] points out just how small and fragile a notion that was,” Peter Frumhoff, director of science & policy at the Union of Concerned Scientists, told FoxNews.com

Asked about the contradiction with satellite data, he said he trusted the new paper.

“I trust the process of legitimate scientific peer review that this paper has undergone, as well as the care that its authors bring to their respected work,” he said, adding that, “the faux debate over a so-called ‘hiatus’ has been an unfortunate diversion from meaningful dialogue about how best to address the broadly recognized serious problem of climate change.”

But skeptics say Karl’s adjusted data is the outlier that conflicts with everything else. “Color me ‘unconvinced’,” Curry wrote.

2seaoat



The University of Alabama Huntsville.......where a scientist says this:

In TCS Daily, Spencer wrote, "Twenty years ago, as a PhD scientist, I intensely studied the evolution versus intelligent design controversy for about two years. And finally, despite my previous acceptance of evolutionary theory as 'fact,' I came to the realization that intelligent design, as a theory of origins, is no more religious, and no less scientific, than evolutionism.

and as to his "scientific" method:

First, [they] analyzed 14 models, but they plotted only six models and the particular observational data set that provided maximum support for their hypothesis. Plotting all of the models and all of the data provide a much different conclusion.

Science is the last thing which is involved in Spencer's analysis.....he is part of the 3% of climate scientist who argue that it is not happening, yet he concedes that man is warming the planet, but this is his essence.....only in Alabama:

We believe Earth and its ecosystems – created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence.

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:The University of Alabama Huntsville.......where a scientist says this:

In TCS Daily, Spencer wrote, "Twenty years ago, as a PhD scientist, I intensely studied the evolution versus intelligent design controversy for about two years. And finally, despite my previous acceptance of evolutionary theory as 'fact,' I came to the realization that intelligent design, as a theory of origins, is no more religious, and no less scientific, than evolutionism.

and as to his "scientific" method:

First, [they] analyzed 14 models, but they plotted only six models and the particular observational data set that provided maximum support for their hypothesis. Plotting all of the models and all of the data provide a much different conclusion.

Science is the last thing which is involved in Spencer's analysis.....he is part of the 3% of climate scientist who argue that it is not happening, yet he concedes that man is warming the planet, but this is his essence.....only in Alabama:

We believe Earth and its ecosystems – created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence.

Your long disproven comment about 97% of environmental scientists negates anything and everything in your post.

Knowing it is a lie, why do you keep posting it?

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

This argument is so totally futile. The climate change deniers will continue in their determination to ignore melting glaciers and rising temperatures. And quotes and counter quotes, studies and counter studies will be sited and the planet continues to warm.

I guess every leader of the developed world who expressed concern over climate change at the recent summit are all suffering from being duped by reports of climate change? All the projects by countries all around the world aimed at protecting low-lying areas from projected higher water levels are all just crazy? The rest of the world and our country too are taking climate change seriously so you deniers just keep your heads in the stupid sand and cling to one anomalous piece of data here or a misunderstood report there and just be happy knowing you are all right and the rest of the world doesn't know what it is talking about.

This idea of denying climate change brings to mind the video clip we've all seen many times of the tobacco executives in court with right hands raised swearing their product was not addictive or harmful. Tisk tisk.

Sal

Sal

othershoe1030 wrote:This argument is so totally futile. The climate change deniers will continue in their determination to ignore melting glaciers and rising temperatures. And quotes and counter quotes, studies and counter studies will be sited and the planet continues to warm.

I guess every leader of the developed world who expressed concern over climate change at the recent summit are all suffering from being duped by reports of climate change? All the projects by countries all around the world aimed at protecting low-lying areas from projected higher water levels are all just crazy? The rest of the world and our country too are taking climate change seriously so you deniers just keep your heads in the stupid sand and cling to one anomalous piece of data here or a misunderstood report there and just be happy knowing you are all right and the rest of the world doesn't know what it is talking about.

This idea of denying climate change brings to mind the video clip we've all seen many times of the tobacco executives in court with right hands raised swearing their product was not addictive or harmful. Tisk tisk.

Mind if I steal this and plaster it all over my social media and claim it as my own?

It's damn fine.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Sal wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:This argument is so totally futile. The climate change deniers will continue in their determination to ignore melting glaciers and rising temperatures. And quotes and counter quotes, studies and counter studies will be sited and the planet continues to warm.

I guess every leader of the developed world who expressed concern over climate change at the recent summit are all suffering from being duped by reports of climate change? All the projects by countries all around the world aimed at protecting low-lying areas from projected higher water levels are all just crazy? The rest of the world and our country too are taking climate change seriously so you deniers just keep your heads in the stupid sand and cling to one anomalous piece of data here or a misunderstood report there and just be happy knowing you are all right and the rest of the world doesn't know what it is talking about.

This idea of denying climate change brings to mind the video clip we've all seen many times of the tobacco executives in court with right hands raised swearing their product was not addictive or harmful. Tisk tisk.

Mind if I steal this and plaster it all over my social media and claim it as my own?  

It's damn fine.

Well, who is othershoe anyway, so how can you give me credit? Sure, go ahead especially if it will either push buttons or shed some light. Thanks for appreciating it.

Markle

Markle

othershoe1030 wrote: This argument is so totally futile. The climate change deniers will continue in their determination to ignore melting glaciers and rising temperatures. And quotes and counter quotes, studies and counter studies will be sited and the planet continues to warm.

[...]


NO ONE denies climate change, that to which "you" had to change the name to after no temperature change in OVER EIGHTEEN YEARS.

A complete lie, of which you are well aware and simply can't bare admitting, even to yourself.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Markle wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote: This argument is so totally futile. The climate change deniers will continue in their determination to ignore melting glaciers and rising temperatures. And quotes and counter quotes, studies and counter studies will be sited and the planet continues to warm.

[...]


NO ONE denies climate change, that to which "you" had to change the name to after no temperature change in OVER EIGHTEEN YEARS.

A complete lie, of which you are well aware and simply can't bare admitting, even to yourself.

sigh

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

I have a strong science background and I have already stated here why I will not buy into the fearmongering surrounding the climate change arguments. I read the following statement not long ago in the comments section of an online article on the subject and copied it verbatim, as I felt it was appropriate:

Calling someone a "denier" is a slick way of discrediting climate-change opponents without having to engage their points. Most 'deniers' will agree that there has been a gradual warming of the Earth over several decades. The real debate centers on whether this is dangerous, requiring restrictive legislation that might have serious impacts on the quality of life of people. The 'denier' and 'anti-science' labels cut off the oxygen supply to reasoned exchange of ideas on the subject.

My concern centers on the red-highlighted text. I will state again that I believe the climate change movement is more of a political movement than a science movement, and the notion that the world's coastal areas will become flooded by 2050 (I read this not long ago in a LTE to the PNJ from a concerned citizen) if we don't restrict CO2 emissions is pure hysterics.

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KarlRove

KarlRove

Politics and wealth redistribution plain and simple.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

KarlRove wrote:Politics and wealth redistribution plain and simple.

The movement is well-funded, and is soaking up all of the political power that can be bestowed upon it. What it would really like is a global-governing body to regulate this 'crisis' on a world-level. I prefer that the United States not submit even an iota of its sovereignty to the globalists.

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Sal

Sal

O noz!

It's the Bilderbionists!! ....


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boards of FL

boards of FL

Markle wrote:
2seaoat wrote:The University of Alabama Huntsville.......where a scientist says this:

In TCS Daily, Spencer wrote, "Twenty years ago, as a PhD scientist, I intensely studied the evolution versus intelligent design controversy for about two years. And finally, despite my previous acceptance of evolutionary theory as 'fact,' I came to the realization that intelligent design, as a theory of origins, is no more religious, and no less scientific, than evolutionism.

and as to his "scientific" method:

First, [they] analyzed 14 models, but they plotted only six models and the particular observational data set that provided maximum support for their hypothesis. Plotting all of the models and all of the data provide a much different conclusion.

Science is the last thing which is involved in Spencer's analysis.....he is part of the 3% of climate scientist who argue that it is not happening, yet he concedes that man is warming the planet, but this is his essence.....only in Alabama:

We believe Earth and its ecosystems – created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence.

Your long disproven comment about 97% of environmental scientists negates anything and everything in your post.

Knowing it is a lie, why do you keep posting it?


Yes. 97% isn't quite accurate. 100% of all scientific organizations agree that climate change is real and than it is very likely that man-made activities are influencing it.

Feel free to correct me by naming any scientific organization that disagrees. Any. Just one.


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NYC under water by June 2015: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2015/06/12/flashback-abcs-08-prediction-nyc-under-water-climate-change-june

A small list of failed climate predictions:

“The West Side Highway [which runs along the Hudson River] will be under water. And there will be tape across the windows across the street because of high winds. And the same birds won’t be there. The trees in the median strip will change….There will be more police cars….[since] you know what happens to crime when the heat goes up.” Dr. James Hansen, 1988, in an interview with author Rob Reiss. Reiss asked how the greenhouse effect was likely to affect the neighborhood below Hansen’s office in NYC in the next 20 years.

June 30, 1989, Associated Press: U.N. OFFICIAL PREDICTS DISASTER, SAYS GREENHOUSE EFFECT COULD WIPE SOME NATIONS OFF MAP–entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ‘eco-refugees,’ threatening political chaos,” said Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program. He added that governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect.

Michael Oppenheimer, 1990, The Environmental Defense Fund: “By 1995, the greenhouse effect would be desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots…”(By 1996) The Platte River of Nebraska would be dry, while a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers…The Mexican police will round up illegal American migrants surging into Mexico seeking work as field hands.”

“The more than ‘unusually ‘warm January weather is yet ‘another extreme event’, ‘a harbinger of the winters that are ahead of us’. … The global temperature will ‘increase every year by 0.2°C’” Michael Müller, Socialist, State Secretary in the Federal Ministry of Environment, Die Zeit, 15 Jan 2007

Edward Goldsmith, 1991, (5000 Days to Save the Planet): “By 2000, British and American oil will have diminished to a trickle….Ozone depletion and global warming threaten food shortages, but the wealthy North will enjoy a temporary reprieve by buying up the produce of the South. Unrest among the hungry and the ensuing political instability, will be contained by the North’s greater military might. A bleak future indeed, but an inevitable one unless we change the way we live…At present rates of exploitation there may be no rainforest left in 10 years. If measures are not taken immediately, the greenhouse effect may be unstoppable in 12 to 15 years.”

“Within a few years winter snowfall will become a very rare and exciting event. … Children just aren’t going to know what snow is.” David Viner, Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia, 20 March 2000

June 11, 1986, Dr. James Hansen of the Goddard Space Institute (NASA) in testimony to Congress (according to the Milwaukee Journal): “Hansen predicted global temperatures should be nearly 2 degrees higher in 20 years, ‘which is about the warmest the earth has been in the last 100,000 years.’”

June 8, 1972, Christian Science Monitor: “Arctic specialist Bernt Balchen says a general warming trend over the North Pole is melting the polar ice cap and may produce an ice-free Arctic Ocean by the year 2000.”

May 15, 1989, Associated Press: “Using computer models, researchers concluded that global warming would raise average annual temperatures nationwide [USA] two degrees by 2010.”

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

PkrBum wrote:A small list of failed climate predictions:

Welcome back, Pkrbm. Fascinating hysterics, going back to 1972.  What is really strange is how none of this made it into any of my classrooms when I was working on my MS in biology and coastal-zone studies in the early 1990s. If it were a true crisis at the end of the 1990s, as we have been told, it was a crisis years before this also.

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Guest


Guest

Thanks Z. Here's a preliminary draft of what the UN is wanting... monetarily that is.

http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2015/adp2/eng/01.pdf

As a starting point they want 1% of our gdp per year (175 B).

Here's a brief overview... though I'm sure the source will be questioned. But you won't find it on msm... not even fox.

http://instituteforenergyresearch.org/analysis/un-negotiating-text-for-climate-change-agreement-opens-up-gravy-train/

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

PkrBum wrote:Thanks Z. Here's a preliminary draft of what the UN is wanting... monetarily that is.

http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2015/adp2/eng/01.pdf

As a starting point they want 1% of our gdp per year (175 B).

Here's a brief overview... though I'm sure the source will be questioned. But you won't find it on msm... not even fox.

http://instituteforenergyresearch.org/analysis/un-negotiating-text-for-climate-change-agreement-opens-up-gravy-train/

So, this becomes the world's first global-level tax assessed on all countries? This helps pave the way for the world-government that the globalists are striving for. This is why I am wary of the climate change movement.

I can think of many reasons to work to wean the world off of fossil fuels--depletion being the first and foremost. The U.S. is currently gushing with oil--for now--because we learned how to extract it from shale formations. I won't be alive in 2050, but the specter of oil-depletion will rear its head again in the latter half of this century. This is the biggest reason to keep pushing solar, wind, cold-fusion, and alternatives to burning petroleum products and coal for energy (which should make the climate-change crowd happy, because these moves will help reduce CO2 emissions).

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Markle

Markle

boards of FL wrote:
Markle wrote:
2seaoat wrote:The University of Alabama Huntsville.......where a scientist says this:

In TCS Daily, Spencer wrote, "Twenty years ago, as a PhD scientist, I intensely studied the evolution versus intelligent design controversy for about two years. And finally, despite my previous acceptance of evolutionary theory as 'fact,' I came to the realization that intelligent design, as a theory of origins, is no more religious, and no less scientific, than evolutionism.

and as to his "scientific" method:

First, [they] analyzed 14 models, but they plotted only six models and the particular observational data set that provided maximum support for their hypothesis. Plotting all of the models and all of the data provide a much different conclusion.

Science is the last thing which is involved in Spencer's analysis.....he is part of the 3% of climate scientist who argue that it is not happening, yet he concedes that man is warming the planet, but this is his essence.....only in Alabama:

We believe Earth and its ecosystems – created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence.

Your long disproven comment about 97% of environmental scientists negates anything and everything in your post.

Knowing it is a lie, why do you keep posting it?


Yes.  97% isn't quite accurate.  100% of all scientific organizations agree that climate change is real and than it is very likely that man-made activities are influencing it.

Feel free to correct me by naming any scientific organization that disagrees.  Any.  Just one.

CLIMATE CHANGE but NOT global warming. MAJOR, MAJOR difference but...cute try.

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