ISIS and the Tijuana drug smuggling tunnels

Bob wrote:I'm curious about something,  tex.  Since you don't believe the Al Qaeda hijackers were responsible for 9/11,  what is your opinion of what Bin Laden,  Al Qaeda and the alleged hijackers actually were?
Were they non-existent?  Were they operatives working for Bush/Cheney and the other conspirators?  Who exactly?

2seaoat wrote:ISIS is not a nation state.  It is an idea.  The idea was incubated by Saudi Arabia and Israel when it was clear that the botched Bush constitution had given too much power to the Shia and Iran.   Follow the money the Saudis funded ISIS in the beginning.  The criminal enterprise is once again the attempt to get America to fight others battles and prop up colonial monarchies or a besieged nation state of Israel with American blood and wealth.  The failure of the constitution to recognize the artificial nation state of Iraq, was the misapplication of military to solve a political problem where the idea of a unified Iraq was sold by colonial powers more concerned on access to cheap oil than a real nation state.

President Obama has no jurisdiction to be the police department for Iraq, and clearly military options have proven to not be very effective in forming a political alliance, so the idea of ISIS is a simple criminal enterprise which recruits zealots to die for one idea when clearly another idea which benefits a few is the sole basis of the organization.....it is a charade, where poor scared souls like Bob are happy they do not live in NY.....what would the greatest generation think of this sniviling lot we have become........booo......a man with a knife is in a parking lot in Boston wanting to behead someone.....while forty years ago four thousand nuclear tipped missiles were aimed at us......boooo.....wipe your tears away bobby and go to bed with your night light.....I just could not breathe if I was gripped with that much fear.....

2seaoat wrote:ISIS is not a nation state.  It is an idea.  The idea was incubated by Saudi Arabia and Israel when it was clear that the botched Bush constitution had given too much power to the Shia and Iran.   Follow the money the Saudis funded ISIS in the beginning.  The criminal enterprise is once again the attempt to get America to fight others battles and prop up colonial monarchies or a besieged nation state of Israel with American blood and wealth.  The failure of the constitution to recognize the artificial nation state of Iraq, was the misapplication of military to solve a political problem where the idea of a unified Iraq was sold by colonial powers more concerned on access to cheap oil than a real nation state.

President Obama has no jurisdiction to be the police department for Iraq, and clearly military options have proven to not be very effective in forming a political alliance, so the idea of ISIS is a simple criminal enterprise which recruits zealots to die for one idea when clearly another idea which benefits a few is the sole basis of the organization.....it is a charade, where poor scared souls like Bob are happy they do not live in NY.....what would the greatest generation think of this sniviling lot we have become........booo......a man with a knife is in a parking lot in Boston wanting to behead someone.....while forty years ago four thousand nuclear tipped missiles were aimed at us......boooo.....wipe your tears away bobby and go to bed with your night light.....I just could not breathe if I was gripped with that much fear.....

Floridatexan wrote:

Osama bin Laden was a known CIA asset during the Russian/Afghan war and beyond.  Most of the "hijackers" were Saudis.  

2seaoat wrote: poor scared souls like Bob are happy they do not live in NY.....what would the greatest generation think of this sniviling lot we have become........booo......a man with a knife is in a parking lot in Boston wanting to behead someone.....while forty years ago four thousand nuclear tipped missiles were aimed at us......boooo.....wipe your tears away bobby and go to bed with your night light.....I just could not breathe if I was gripped with that much fear.....

2seaoat wrote:America was an idea too at one time.

America was ALWAYS a nation/state and defined by political units......not mere ideas.  You want to spend another handful of trillions to fight an idea and ghost.....sorry....America is so beyond the scardy cat routine and the new run up to war......it will not work no matter how many times you enhance the risk and use war as the solution.   The solution is diplomacy which allows those nation states in the region to deal with their own problems without American blood or wealth being spilled down the rabbit hole.  When ISIS attacks Israel, I will give you some credence, but really.......a few miles from their border and nothing......come on.....you really do not get what is going on.....incredible.

2seaoat wrote:Like the article states, the powers that be "have their head in an orifice lacking. Sunlight."

Absurd.  The President has put more resources on the border than any President before him, has deported more, and has actually been effective attacking terrorist and not killing civilians claiming they are a proxy for terrorists. You can hop on a plane in America with a simple visa......why in hell would somebody fly to Mexico travel to a well guarded border and risk detection.  The logic is a child's logic, but the propaganda technique of association is a racist tried and proven method of turning innocent families seeking opportunity into this evil potential to harm America......sorry that dog doesn't hunt.

Markle wrote:As you know too, President Obama's policy on fighting terrorism has created ISIS and caused the collapse of Iraq.  I'm sure he's proud.

2seaoat wrote:.pace sent me a PM stating that he thought he saw you enrolled in a introduction to the Koran course at UWF