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Which is the most barbaric, ISIS or the USA?

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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

..."Why did millions of Americans, and even more millions abroad, march against the war in the fall of 2002 and early 2003, before it began? What did they know that the Bush brothers and countless other politicians didn’t know? It was clear to the protesters that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney were habitual liars, that they couldn’t care less about the people of Iraq, that the defenseless people of that ancient civilization were going to be bombed to hell; most of the protesters knew something about the bombings of Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Panama, Yugoslavia, or Afghanistan; and they knew about napalm, cluster bombs, depleted uranium, etc. Those who marched knew that the impending war was something a moral person could not support; and that it was totally illegal, a textbook case of a “war of aggression”; one didn’t have to be an expert in international law to know this.

Didn’t the Brothers Bush, Hillary Clinton (who voted for the war in the Senate), et al know about any of these things? Of course they did. They just didn’t care enough; supporting the empire’s domination and expansion was a given, and remains so; no US politician gets very far – certainly not to the White House – questioning the right of American Exceptionalism to impose itself upon humanity (for humanity’s sake of course).

Consider the darlings du jour of the American Left, Senators Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. They very seldom speak out critically about US foreign policy or even the military budget. The anti-war/anti-imperialist segment of the American left need to put proper pressure on the two senators.

Mr. Sanders should also be asked why he routinely refers to himself as a “democratic socialist”. Why not just “socialist”? It’s likely a legacy of the Cold War. I think that he and other political figures who use the term are, consciously or unconsciously, trying to disassociate themselves from communism, the Soviet Union, Marxism, etc., all those things that are not good for you. (The word “socialist” once connoted furtive men with European accents, sinister facial hair, and bombs.)

It would be delightful to hear Sanders openly declare that he is simply a “socialist”. Socialism can be democratic; indeed, a lot more so than capitalism, particularly concerning the distribution of wealth and all the ramifications of that. Presented here are some relevant thoughts on these issues, from myself and others:

It’s only the socialists who maintain as a bedrock principle: People before Profit, which can serve as a very concise definition of socialism, an ideology anathema to the Right and libertarians, who fervently believe, against all evidence, in the rationality of a free market. I personally favor the idea of a centralized, planned economy. (Oh my God, a damn Commie!) Modern society is much too complex and technical to leave its operation in the hands of libertarians, communitarians, or anarchists seeking to return to a “community” or “village” level.

“Washington has always regarded democratic socialism as a greater challenge than totalitarian Communism, which was easy to vilify and made for a handy enemy. In the 1960s and ’70s, the favored tactic for dealing with the inconvenient popularity of economic nationalism and democratic socialism was to try to equate them with Stalinism, deliberately blurring the clear differences between the world views.” – Naomi Klein"



Quote from Information Clearing House article by Richard Blum

See: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41967.htm

2seaoat



The American people always have good intentions, but road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

2seaoat wrote:The American people always have good intentions, but road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I love the American people and abhor our fucked up, bloodthirsty, evil government!! Isn't that true for all sane Americans?

KarlRove

KarlRove

You're still here posting with your noggin' intact....guess that answers your question dork.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

KarlRove wrote:You're still here posting with your noggin' intact....guess that answers your question dork.

Get real War Hero.  Isis has murdered maybe a thousand or more Iraqis during takeovers of various towns.

The U.S. murdered (by way of "collateral" damage), hundreds of thousands of noncombatant Iraqis.

Isis meant to kill their victims.

Whether we did, or didn't doesn't make any difference to the victims!!

Reality!

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:You're still here posting with your noggin' intact....guess that answers your question dork.

Get real War Hero.  Isis has murdered maybe a thousand or more Iraqis during takeovers of various towns.

The U.S. murdered (by way of "collateral" damage), hundreds of thousands of noncombatant Iraqis.

Isis meant to kill their victims.

Whether we did, or didn't doesn't make any difference to the victims!!

Reality!

As always, you wouldn't know "reality" if you fell into it.

As you know well, fewer civilians were killed during our invasion of Iraq than were killed by Saddam Hussein.

This, to my Socialist/Communist good friend Wordslinger a good thing since they MEANT to kill their victims.

Which is the most barbaric, ISIS or the USA? Burning%20waterboarding_zpspd3uzo54

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Semi-demented poster Markle's necrophilia must be flaring up again, as he posts more photos of bodies, corpses, etc. I know her just couldn't wait for an opportunity to use that poster with the photo of the burning Jordanian fighter pilot.

The orgasm he got when he hit the enter button on his keyboard must have been sweet. Now that he has shown it to us once, I bet he starts using it often; or whenever he feels "that" sensuous urge again....

http://www.best-electric-barbecue-grills.com

KarlRove

KarlRove

Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:You're still here posting with your noggin' intact....guess that answers your question dork.

Get real War Hero.  Isis has murdered maybe a thousand or more Iraqis during takeovers of various towns.

The U.S. murdered (by way of "collateral" damage), hundreds of thousands of noncombatant Iraqis.

Isis meant to kill their victims.

Whether we did, or didn't doesn't make any difference to the victims!!

Reality!

Nobody knows how many ISIS has killed chickenboy. Of course, you could always volunteer to be their statistician. I'll buy your ticket over. Hopefully, you will get a taste of what they are really like.

Markle

Markle

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Semi-demented poster Markle's necrophilia must be flaring up again, as he posts more photos of bodies, corpses, etc. I know her just couldn't wait for an opportunity to use that poster with the photo of the burning Jordanian fighter pilot.

The orgasm he got when he hit the enter button on his keyboard must have been sweet. Now that he has shown it to us once, I bet he starts using it often; or whenever he feels "that" sensuous urge again....

And they all swirl around semi-retired President Obama. Strange how that works.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

KarlRove wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:You're still here posting with your noggin' intact....guess that answers your question dork.

Get real War Hero.  Isis has murdered maybe a thousand or more Iraqis during takeovers of various towns.

The U.S. murdered (by way of "collateral" damage), hundreds of thousands of noncombatant Iraqis.

Isis meant to kill their victims.

Whether we did, or didn't doesn't make any difference to the victims!!

Reality!

Nobody knows how many ISIS has killed chickenboy. Of course, you could always volunteer to be their statistician. I'll buy your ticket over. Hopefully, you will get a taste of what they are really like.


Thanks for making my point War Hero -- it really is hard to know who has killed the most Iraqis -- the USA or ISIS. And, as I remember, you wrote that God was on our side ....with her for a friend who needs an enemy?

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:You're still here posting with your noggin' intact....guess that answers your question dork.

Get real War Hero.  Isis has murdered maybe a thousand or more Iraqis during takeovers of various towns.

The U.S. murdered (by way of "collateral" damage), hundreds of thousands of noncombatant Iraqis.

Isis meant to kill their victims.

Whether we did, or didn't doesn't make any difference to the victims!!

Reality!

Nobody knows how many ISIS has killed chickenboy. Of course, you could always volunteer to be their statistician. I'll buy your ticket over. Hopefully, you will get a taste of what they are really like.


Thanks for making my point War Hero -- it really is hard to know who has killed the most Iraqis -- the USA or ISIS. And, as I remember, you wrote that God was on our side ....with her for a friend who needs an enemy?

You left out Saddam Hussein, who outdid all combined.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:You're still here posting with your noggin' intact....guess that answers your question dork.

Get real War Hero.  Isis has murdered maybe a thousand or more Iraqis during takeovers of various towns.

The U.S. murdered (by way of "collateral" damage), hundreds of thousands of noncombatant Iraqis.

Isis meant to kill their victims.

Whether we did, or didn't doesn't make any difference to the victims!!

Reality!

As always, you wouldn't know "reality" if you fell into it.

As you know well, fewer civilians were killed during our invasion of Iraq than were killed by Saddam Hussein.

This, to my Socialist/Communist good friend Wordslinger a good thing since they MEANT to kill their victims.

Which is the most barbaric, ISIS or the USA? Burning%20waterboarding_zpspd3uzo54


Are you truly that stupid "I know NOSSING!" Markle?We're only supposed to count the non-combatant Iraqi deaths that occurred during our invasion and illegal occupation of Iraq? As I recall, the invasion took place in 2003, we're still bombing and killing hundreds of non-combatants, and the current conservative estimates of innocent Iraqis we've murdered by "mistake" during more than a decade of senseless, un-winnable war, now exceeds 500,000.

Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power. Benito Mussolinin

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:You're still here posting with your noggin' intact....guess that answers your question dork.

Get real War Hero.  Isis has murdered maybe a thousand or more Iraqis during takeovers of various towns.

The U.S. murdered (by way of "collateral" damage), hundreds of thousands of noncombatant Iraqis.

Isis meant to kill their victims.

Whether we did, or didn't doesn't make any difference to the victims!!

Reality!

Nobody knows how many ISIS has killed chickenboy. Of course, you could always volunteer to be their statistician. I'll buy your ticket over. Hopefully, you will get a taste of what they are really like.


Thanks for making my point War Hero -- it really is hard to know who has killed the most Iraqis -- the USA or ISIS. And, as I remember, you wrote that God was on our side ....with her for a friend who needs an enemy?

You left out Saddam Hussein, who outdid all combined.

Do you have any credible statistics to support that claim? I thought not ...

Sal

Sal

Markle wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Semi-demented poster Markle's necrophilia must be flaring up again, as he posts more photos of bodies, corpses, etc. I know her just couldn't wait for an opportunity to use that poster with the photo of the burning Jordanian fighter pilot.

The orgasm he got when he hit the enter button on his keyboard must have been sweet. Now that he has shown it to us once, I bet he starts using it often; or whenever he feels "that" sensuous urge again....

And they all swirl around semi-retired President Obama.

Your "sensuous urges" and "orgasms"?

Creepy.

KarlRove

KarlRove

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:You're still here posting with your noggin' intact....guess that answers your question dork.

Get real War Hero.  Isis has murdered maybe a thousand or more Iraqis during takeovers of various towns.

The U.S. murdered (by way of "collateral" damage), hundreds of thousands of noncombatant Iraqis.

Isis meant to kill their victims.

Whether we did, or didn't doesn't make any difference to the victims!!

Reality!

Nobody knows how many ISIS has killed chickenboy. Of course, you could always volunteer to be their statistician. I'll buy your ticket over. Hopefully, you will get a taste of what they are really like.


Thanks for making my point War Hero -- it really is hard to know who has killed the most Iraqis -- the USA or ISIS. And, as I remember, you wrote that God was on our side ....with her for a friend who needs an enemy?

You left out Saddam Hussein, who outdid all combined.

Do you have any credible statistics to support that claim? I thought not ...

BOF's favorite source gives you an answer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Hussein's_Iraq

Number of Victims[edit]

According to The New York Times, "he [Saddam] murdered as many as a million of his people, many with poison gas. He tortured, maimed and imprisoned countless more. His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead. His seizure of Kuwait threw the Middle East into crisis. More insidious, arguably, was the psychological damage he inflicted on his own land. Hussein created a nation of informants — friends on friends, circles within circles — making an entire population complicit in his rule".[9] Other estimates as to the number of Iraqis killed by Saddam's regime vary from roughly a quarter to half a million,[10][11] including 50,000 to 182,000 Kurds and 25,000 to 280,000 killed during the repression of the 1991 rebellion.[12][13] Estimates for the number of dead in the Iran-Iraq war range upwards from 300,000.[14]


A mini Stalin? Reality.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

KarlRove wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:You're still here posting with your noggin' intact....guess that answers your question dork.

Get real War Hero.  Isis has murdered maybe a thousand or more Iraqis during takeovers of various towns.

The U.S. murdered (by way of "collateral" damage), hundreds of thousands of noncombatant Iraqis.

Isis meant to kill their victims.

Whether we did, or didn't doesn't make any difference to the victims!!

Reality!

Nobody knows how many ISIS has killed chickenboy. Of course, you could always volunteer to be their statistician. I'll buy your ticket over. Hopefully, you will get a taste of what they are really like.


Thanks for making my point War Hero -- it really is hard to know who has killed the most Iraqis -- the USA or ISIS. And, as I remember, you wrote that God was on our side ....with her for a friend who needs an enemy?

You left out Saddam Hussein, who outdid all combined.

Do you have any credible statistics to support that claim?  I thought not ...

BOF's favorite source gives you an answer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Hussein's_Iraq

Number of Victims[edit]

According to The New York Times, "he [Saddam] murdered as many as a million of his people, many with poison gas. He tortured, maimed and imprisoned countless more. His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead. His seizure of Kuwait threw the Middle East into crisis. More insidious, arguably, was the psychological damage he inflicted on his own land. Hussein created a nation of informants — friends on friends, circles within circles — making an entire population complicit in his rule".[9] Other estimates as to the number of Iraqis killed by Saddam's regime vary from roughly a quarter to half a million,[10][11] including 50,000 to 182,000 Kurds and 25,000 to 280,000 killed during the repression of the 1991 rebellion.[12][13] Estimates for the number of dead in the Iran-Iraq war range upwards from 300,000.[14]


A mini Stalin? Reality.

You never heard me say Saddam was a good guy. According to the statistics you used above, Saddam probably killed from a quarter to half a million Iraqis, so once again USA is number one!! Estimates of the non-combatant Iraqis we've murdered since 2003 are higher than 500,000. So, accepting these figures, we are every bit as barbaric as ISIS. When it comes to killing dark skinned people, we're absolutely the very best, even when we don't mean to be killing them. Go figure ...

Reality.



KarlRove

KarlRove

Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:You're still here posting with your noggin' intact....guess that answers your question dork.

Get real War Hero.  Isis has murdered maybe a thousand or more Iraqis during takeovers of various towns.

The U.S. murdered (by way of "collateral" damage), hundreds of thousands of noncombatant Iraqis.

Isis meant to kill their victims.

Whether we did, or didn't doesn't make any difference to the victims!!

Reality!

Nobody knows how many ISIS has killed chickenboy. Of course, you could always volunteer to be their statistician. I'll buy your ticket over. Hopefully, you will get a taste of what they are really like.


Thanks for making my point War Hero -- it really is hard to know who has killed the most Iraqis -- the USA or ISIS. And, as I remember, you wrote that God was on our side ....with her for a friend who needs an enemy?

You left out Saddam Hussein, who outdid all combined.

Do you have any credible statistics to support that claim?  I thought not ...

BOF's favorite source gives you an answer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Hussein's_Iraq

Number of Victims[edit]

According to The New York Times, "he [Saddam] murdered as many as a million of his people, many with poison gas. He tortured, maimed and imprisoned countless more. His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead. His seizure of Kuwait threw the Middle East into crisis. More insidious, arguably, was the psychological damage he inflicted on his own land. Hussein created a nation of informants — friends on friends, circles within circles — making an entire population complicit in his rule".[9] Other estimates as to the number of Iraqis killed by Saddam's regime vary from roughly a quarter to half a million,[10][11] including 50,000 to 182,000 Kurds and 25,000 to 280,000 killed during the repression of the 1991 rebellion.[12][13] Estimates for the number of dead in the Iran-Iraq war range upwards from 300,000.[14]


A mini Stalin? Reality.

You never heard me say Saddam was a good guy.  According to the statistics you used above, Saddam probably killed from a quarter to half a million Iraqis, so once again USA is number one!!  Estimates of the non-combatant Iraqis we've murdered since 2003 are higher than 500,000.  So, accepting these figures, we are every bit as barbaric as ISIS.   When it comes to killing dark skinned people, we're absolutely the very best, even when we don't mean to be killing them.  Go figure ...

Reality.




You can't read well. I'm sorry you are slow in that area.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

KarlRove wrote: Saddam's unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead.


A mini Stalin? Reality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war

Which is the most barbaric, ISIS or the USA? Rummy-saddam

Markle

Markle

Sal wrote:
Markle wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Semi-demented poster Markle's necrophilia must be flaring up again, as he posts more photos of bodies, corpses, etc. I know her just couldn't wait for an opportunity to use that poster with the photo of the burning Jordanian fighter pilot.

The orgasm he got when he hit the enter button on his keyboard must have been sweet. Now that he has shown it to us once, I bet he starts using it often; or whenever he feels "that" sensuous urge again....

And they all swirl around semi-retired President Obama.

Your "sensuous urges" and "orgasms"?

Creepy.

Your desperation is duly noted. Keep up the good work!

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

KarlRove wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:You're still here posting with your noggin' intact....guess that answers your question dork.

Get real War Hero.  Isis has murdered maybe a thousand or more Iraqis during takeovers of various towns.

The U.S. murdered (by way of "collateral" damage), hundreds of thousands of noncombatant Iraqis.

Isis meant to kill their victims.

Whether we did, or didn't doesn't make any difference to the victims!!

Reality!

Nobody knows how many ISIS has killed chickenboy. Of course, you could always volunteer to be their statistician. I'll buy your ticket over. Hopefully, you will get a taste of what they are really like.


Thanks for making my point War Hero -- it really is hard to know who has killed the most Iraqis -- the USA or ISIS. And, as I remember, you wrote that God was on our side ....with her for a friend who needs an enemy?

You left out Saddam Hussein, who outdid all combined.

Do you have any credible statistics to support that claim?  I thought not ...

BOF's favorite source gives you an answer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Hussein's_Iraq

Number of Victims[edit]

According to The New York Times, "he [Saddam] murdered as many as a million of his people, many with poison gas. He tortured, maimed and imprisoned countless more. His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead. His seizure of Kuwait threw the Middle East into crisis. More insidious, arguably, was the psychological damage he inflicted on his own land. Hussein created a nation of informants — friends on friends, circles within circles — making an entire population complicit in his rule".[9] Other estimates as to the number of Iraqis killed by Saddam's regime vary from roughly a quarter to half a million,[10][11] including 50,000 to 182,000 Kurds and 25,000 to 280,000 killed during the repression of the 1991 rebellion.[12][13] Estimates for the number of dead in the Iran-Iraq war range upwards from 300,000.[14]


A mini Stalin? Reality.

You never heard me say Saddam was a good guy.  According to the statistics you used above, Saddam probably killed from a quarter to half a million Iraqis, so once again USA is number one!!  Estimates of the non-combatant Iraqis we've murdered since 2003 are higher than 500,000.  So, accepting these figures, we are every bit as barbaric as ISIS.   When it comes to killing dark skinned people, we're absolutely the very best, even when we don't mean to be killing them.  Go figure ...

Reality.




You can't read well. I'm sorry you are slow in that area.

The Iraq/Iran War had some legitimacy -- we encouraged Saddam and provided weaponry to him during that war. It's also a fact that the Iraqi casualties of that war were soldiers. Accordingly, I don't include them in my analysis, which centers on the deaths of non-combatants. If you deduct the number of Iraqi military forces killed in that war, we're still number one in the murder of innocents department, to the present date. Eat your heart out ISIS ...

KarlRove

KarlRove

Sorry but saddam was sending 15 year olds to die when his own men would not fight . You are such a dork. Maybe you would have let him send your 15 year old because Gof knows you won't fight

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

KarlRove wrote: His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead.

Maybe you didn't understand my reply to this earlier since you haven't commented.
If Saddam killed a million people with his unprovoked invasion of Iran and you think that's a bad thing which it is, then how do you account for Ronald Reagan and company helping him do it? I thought Reagan was god to you right-wingers.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war

Which is the most barbaric, ISIS or the USA? Rummy-saddam[/quote]

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

KarlRove wrote:Sorry but saddam was sending 15 year olds to die when his own men would not fight . You are such a dork. Maybe you would have let him send your 15 year old because Gof knows you won't fight


God knows you didn't fight either .... LOL

Actually War Hero, you and I have a lot in common: My war was in Korea, we didn't win there either .... But we sure killed a lot of Koreans.

KarlRove

KarlRove

Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:Sorry but saddam was sending 15 year olds to die when his own men would not fight . You are such a dork. Maybe you would have let him send your 15 year old because Gof knows you won't fight


God knows you didn't fight either .... LOL

Actually War Hero, you and I have a lot in common: My war was in Korea, we didn't win there either ....  But we sure killed a lot of Koreans.

You have no clue of what anything, anyone has done.

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
KarlRove wrote:You're still here posting with your noggin' intact....guess that answers your question dork.

Get real War Hero.  Isis has murdered maybe a thousand or more Iraqis during takeovers of various towns.

The U.S. murdered (by way of "collateral" damage), hundreds of thousands of noncombatant Iraqis.

Isis meant to kill their victims.

Whether we did, or didn't doesn't make any difference to the victims!!

Reality!

Nobody knows how many ISIS has killed chickenboy. Of course, you could always volunteer to be their statistician. I'll buy your ticket over. Hopefully, you will get a taste of what they are really like.


Thanks for making my point War Hero -- it really is hard to know who has killed the most Iraqis -- the USA or ISIS. And, as I remember, you wrote that God was on our side ....with her for a friend who needs an enemy?

You left out Saddam Hussein, who outdid all combined.

Do you have any credible statistics to support that claim?  I thought not ...

BOF's favorite source gives you an answer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Hussein's_Iraq

Number of Victims[edit]

According to The New York Times, "he [Saddam] murdered as many as a million of his people, many with poison gas. He tortured, maimed and imprisoned countless more. His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead. His seizure of Kuwait threw the Middle East into crisis. More insidious, arguably, was the psychological damage he inflicted on his own land. Hussein created a nation of informants — friends on friends, circles within circles — making an entire population complicit in his rule".[9] Other estimates as to the number of Iraqis killed by Saddam's regime vary from roughly a quarter to half a million,[10][11] including 50,000 to 182,000 Kurds and 25,000 to 280,000 killed during the repression of the 1991 rebellion.[12][13] Estimates for the number of dead in the Iran-Iraq war range upwards from 300,000.[14]


A mini Stalin? Reality.

You never heard me say Saddam was a good guy.  According to the statistics you used above, Saddam probably killed from a quarter to half a million Iraqis, so once again USA is number one!!  Estimates of the non-combatant Iraqis we've murdered since 2003 are higher than 500,000.  So, accepting these figures, we are every bit as barbaric as ISIS.   When it comes to killing dark skinned people, we're absolutely the very best, even when we don't mean to be killing them.  Go figure ...
Reality.

Estimates are like noses are they not? Everyone has one and they're all different.

Why didn't you use the "estimate" commissioned and paid for by your good buddy George Soros? You know the one stating over a MILLION civilians were killed.

How many dark skinned people were killed in the Civil War? WW-I? WW-II?

Mine is NOT a guestimate such as yours with your pathetically wishful thinking.

Documented civilian deaths from violence

139,281 – 157,828

Further analysis of the WikiLeaks' Iraq War Logs
may add 10,000 civilian deaths.

https://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/

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