Chicago teachers.....

newswatcher wrote: go on strike....turn down $400M deal....16% Pay raise....currently $76,000 annual salary before benefits!...Mayor Emanuel vows to settle the deal quickly...and suddenly COPS are called for duties as the children will be out running the streets!...

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Surely these teachers are putting the CHILLLDREN first in all this ?

Rogue wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Surely these teachers are putting the CHILLLDREN first in all this ?

Hell NO!

fire em all and get some teachers in there that will actually work and make it NON UNION

PBulldog2 wrote:

Rogue wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Surely these teachers are putting the CHILLLDREN first in all this ?

Hell NO!

fire em all and get some teachers in there that will actually work and make it NON UNION

That's dangerous. Scabbing is NEVER they way to go.

Rogue wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Surely these teachers are putting the CHILLLDREN first in all this ?

Hell NO!

fire em all and get some teachers in there that will actually work and make it NON UNION

2seaoat wrote:There are more issues than dollars and cents. Chicago teachers have the shortest work day in America.....or close to the shortest. The mayor wanted to increase the teaching time by 16% and only offered 2% compensation......the teachers say it is not the money, and than in primary grades they are seeing class loads of 30 kids. My third, fourth, and fifth grades all had mid 30s so I understand first second and third, but class size was not a problem when inclusion was not an issue, but today a 35 class size with inclusion is chaos.

The other issue is since the late 80s teachers have diligently paidt a their contributions, but government skated because the investments were kicking butt. Now with the markets down those gaps in government matching funds have teacher pensions in real crisis where they are only funded to 60%. Rahm did not create the structural problems, and he is taking on the work rules which mean a teacher will have bigger classes, evaluations with teeth, and no answer to how they will get their pensions. The strike was a very poor choice, but there is great distance between the sides, and on this one the Mayor is mostly right.

2seaoat wrote:There are more issues than dollars and cents. Chicago teachers have the shortest work day in America.....or close to the shortest. The mayor wanted to increase the teaching time by 16% and only offered 2% compensation......the teachers say it is not the money, and than in primary grades they are seeing class loads of 30 kids. My third, fourth, and fifth grades all had mid 30s so I understand first second and third, but class size was not a problem when inclusion was not an issue, but today a 35 class size with inclusion is chaos.

The other issue is since the late 80s teachers have diligently paid their contributions, but government skated because the investments were kicking butt. Now with the markets down those gaps in government matching funds have teacher pensions in real crisis where they are only funded to 60%. Rahm did not create the structural problems, and he is taking on the work rules which mean a teacher will have bigger classes, evaluations with teeth, and no answer to how they will get their pensions. The strike was a very poor choice, but there is great distance between the sides, and on this one the Mayor is mostly right.

PACEDOG#1 wrote:

Rogue wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Surely these teachers are putting the CHILLLDREN first in all this ?

Hell NO!

fire em all and get some teachers in there that will actually work and make it NON UNION

You have to be certified to teach and have a professional license.

Anyhow, most administrators in Santa Rosa County barely make 76k. Sheesh. I'd be happy with a 3% raise.

Rogue wrote:

PBulldog2 wrote:

Rogue wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Surely these teachers are putting the CHILLLDREN first in all this ?

Hell NO!

fire em all and get some teachers in there that will actually work and make it NON UNION

That's dangerous. Scabbing is NEVER they way to go.

whats scabbing?

I take it has something to with letting them all go... and they should. there are plenty of teachers out here right now who would love to have a job.

salinsky wrote:

newswatcher wrote: go on strike....turn down $400M deal....16% Pay raise....currently $76,000 annual salary before benefits!...Mayor Emanuel vows to settle the deal quickly...and suddenly COPS are called for duties as the children will be out running the streets!...

What's this? Newswatcher cozying up to Rahm in a labor dispute? Politics do make for some strange bedfellows.

newswatcher wrote:
Where in your demented mind did you get that from?....Rahm wants to settle it quickly with the UNIONS!...A 16% pay raise and an average salary of $76,000 before benefits....What a bunch of GREEDY Liberals!...Putting their desire for WEALTH over the needs of America's Children!...Children are being neglected in order for the teachers and their union to make money...HOW UNDEMOCRAT!!!!....And the most funny....Who's backyard is this and which party has run this city....

salinsky wrote:

newswatcher wrote:
Where in your demented mind did you get that from?....Rahm wants to settle it quickly with the UNIONS!...A 16% pay raise and an average salary of $76,000 before benefits....What a bunch of GREEDY Liberals!...Putting their desire for WEALTH over the needs of America's Children!...Children are being neglected in order for the teachers and their union to make money...HOW UNDEMOCRAT!!!!....And the most funny....Who's backyard is this and which party has run this city....

If you're not siding with Rahm, why are you using his fake numbers? The latest deal that's been proposed is a four year deal with a 3% increase the first year and 2% increases for the other three years of the contract. Do the math. Also, the average pay for Chicago teachers is $55-60K, not the $76K number Rahm produced, which you eagerly swallowed with relish. And, that number includes teachers with seniority, so most teachers are making less. Further, the city is asking for a 20% increase in the length of school days.

Oh yes, you most certainly are in bed with Rahm Emmanuel because you think that this somehow casts a bad light on Obama. Wingnut logic really is fascinating.

newswatcher wrote:...but again WHAT A BUNCH OF GREEDY LIBERALS...walking away from students for a financial gain for themselves...Chicago children will go hungry from missing their free meals...so Democrats Hate Children and Democrats want to starve children....Rahm may not be so different that his mentor...Democrats have run Chicago and now besides killing each other they aren't going to school...

salinsky wrote:

newswatcher wrote:...but again WHAT A BUNCH OF GREEDY LIBERALS...walking away from students for a financial gain for themselves...Chicago children will go hungry from missing their free meals...so Democrats Hate Children and Democrats want to starve children....Rahm may not be so different that his mentor...Democrats have run Chicago and now besides killing each other they aren't going to school...

So, the best way to nurture and educate our nation's future is with poorly paid people working longer hours with less benefits?

And, you support school lunch programs now?

SOCIALISM!

Are you that dense or are your comments designed to be comedic?...Not so fun to have baseless allegations thrown...The examples given would have been in almost every newspaper if there would have been a republican mayor or president...It was the dems that used the lunch program rhetoric against republicans...well guess it's you Dems that want ot starve and abuse children!...

PACEDOG#1 wrote:

2seaoat wrote:There are more issues than dollars and cents. Chicago teachers have the shortest work day in America.....or close to the shortest. The mayor wanted to increase the teaching time by 16% and only offered 2% compensation......the teachers say it is not the money, and than in primary grades they are seeing class loads of 30 kids. My third, fourth, and fifth grades all had mid 30s so I understand first second and third, but class size was not a problem when inclusion was not an issue, but today a 35 class size with inclusion is chaos.

The other issue is since the late 80s teachers have diligently paidt a their contributions, but government skated because the investments were kicking butt. Now with the markets down those gaps in government matching funds have teacher pensions in real crisis where they are only funded to 60%. Rahm did not create the structural problems, and he is taking on the work rules which mean a teacher will have bigger classes, evaluations with teeth, and no answer to how they will get their pensions. The strike was a very poor choice, but there is great distance between the sides, and on this one the Mayor is mostly right.

Guess they would not have agreed to work like teachers in Santa Rosa who have no planning period except before school and work all periods of the day without a break. LOL. That has been happening multiple years now and no pay raise, even step raise, in sight.

Teachers in SRC are also working in classrooms that are full with AC that cannot be set lower than 73 degrees. Talk about a great learning environment. Not. You either sweat or freeze depending upon the day and the season of the year. In this time of the year my room is filled with moisture until the AC kicks on. Any papers, desks etc are covered in the AM when I come into my classroom. In the winter it stays fairly cold most of the day because the thermostat is on the wall facing the sun and the sun hits it making sure it never kicks on either. Air flows through the vents in the AC either making the room hotter or cooler than need be, again, depending on the season.

All this is supposed to save money. Haven't seen any of that savings in a raise since 2008. Admin got three raises last year.

Dreamsglore wrote:

PACEDOG#1 wrote:

2seaoat wrote:There are more issues than dollars and cents. Chicago teachers have the shortest work day in America.....or close to the shortest. The mayor wanted to increase the teaching time by 16% and only offered 2% compensation......the teachers say it is not the money, and than in primary grades they are seeing class loads of 30 kids. My third, fourth, and fifth grades all had mid 30s so I understand first second and third, but class size was not a problem when inclusion was not an issue, but today a 35 class size with inclusion is chaos.

The other issue is since the late 80s teachers have diligently paidt a their contributions, but government skated because the investments were kicking butt. Now with the markets down those gaps in government matching funds have teacher pensions in real crisis where they are only funded to 60%. Rahm did not create the structural problems, and he is taking on the work rules which mean a teacher will have bigger classes, evaluations with teeth, and no answer to how they will get their pensions. The strike was a very poor choice, but there is great distance between the sides, and on this one the Mayor is mostly right.

Guess they would not have agreed to work like teachers in Santa Rosa who have no planning period except before school and work all periods of the day without a break. LOL. That has been happening multiple years now and no pay raise, even step raise, in sight.

Teachers in SRC are also working in classrooms that are full with AC that cannot be set lower than 73 degrees. Talk about a great learning environment. Not. You either sweat or freeze depending upon the day and the season of the year. In this time of the year my room is filled with moisture until the AC kicks on. Any papers, desks etc are covered in the AM when I come into my classroom. In the winter it stays fairly cold most of the day because the thermostat is on the wall facing the sun and the sun hits it making sure it never kicks on either. Air flows through the vents in the AC either making the room hotter or cooler than need be, again, depending on the season.

All this is supposed to save money. Haven't seen any of that savings in a raise since 2008. Admin got three raises last year.

Be glad you got a job,whiner. There are people who will gladly replace you who are unemployed.