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Should Anyone Believe Bibi?

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1Should Anyone Believe Bibi? Empty Should Anyone Believe Bibi? 3/20/2015, 6:43 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/03/should-anyone-believe-bibi/388303/

Should Anyone Believe Bibi?

The prime minister and his officials on the two-state solution, in their own words

PETER BEINART MAR 20 2015, 9:53 AM ET


“I want a sustainable, peaceful two state solution.” —Benjamin Netanyahu, in English, to Andrea Mitchell, March 19, 2015

“I think that anyone who moves to establish a Palestinian state and evacuate territory gives territory away to radical Islamist attacks against Israel.”
—Benjamin Netanyahu, in Hebrew, to Sheldon Adelson-owned, pro-settler website NRG, March 16, 2015

“I think the Israeli people understand now what I always say: that there cannot be a situation, under any agreement, in which we relinquish security control of the territory west of the River Jordan.” —Benjamin Netanyahu, in Hebrew, at a press conference, July 13, 2014

“There was never a government discussion, resolution or vote about the two-state solution.” —Deputy Defense Minister Danny Danon, to The Times of Israel, June 6, 2013

“Vice Premier Moshe Ya’alon [of Netanyahu's Likud party] ruled out the possibility of establishing a Palestinian state alongside Israel in a speech at a cultural event on Saturday afternoon in the South Sharon Regional Council.”
—Jerusalem Post, January 12, 2013

“Likud’s platform to date has not recognized the establishment of a Palestinian state.” —Likud official to Haaretz, December 25, 2012

“This government is not interested in solving anything with the Palestinians, and I say this [with] certainty.” —Yuval Diskin, director of the Israeli Internal Security Service (Shabak) under Benjamin Netanyahu from 2009 to 2011, April 28, 2012

“He doesn’t support [a Palestinian State]. He supports [proposing] the sorts of conditions that they [the Arabs] will never accept.” —Benzion Netanyahu, father of Benjamin Netanyahu, in Hebrew, July 9, 2009

“We are ready to agree to a real peace agreement, a demilitarized Palestinian state side by side with the Jewish state." —Benjamin Netanyahu, in Hebrew, Bar Ilan University, June 14, 2009

“Two states for two peoples is a stupid and childish solution to a very complex problem.” —Ron Dermer, senior aide to Benjamin Netanyahu, May 21, 2009

“His [Netanyahu’s] opposition to a Palestinian state is also a matter of principle, one he has held for many years.” —Aluf Benn, editor, Haaretz, March 1, 2009

“All of us saw Bibi as a kind of speed bump that would have to be negotiated along the way until a new Israeli prime minister came along who was more serious about peace.” —Aaron David Miller, Clinton administration deputy special Mideast coordinator, The Much Too Promised Land, 2008

“Neither President Clinton nor Secretary Albright believed that Bibi had any real interest in pursuing peace.” —Dennis Ross, Clinton administration special Mideast coordinator, The Missing Peace, 2004

“He could open his mouth and you could have no confidence that anything that came out of it was the truth.”—Former Clinton administration press secretary Joe Lockhart to Clayton Swisher, The Truth About Camp David, 2004

“I do not believe such a [Palestinian] state is a historic imperative, any more than the triumph of socialism—which leftist parties once touted as inexorable—was such an imperative. Nor do I think Israel can achieve peace only by establishing a Palestinian state. On the contrary, I am convinced that such a state will endanger Israel and cause war.” —Benjamin Netanyahu, The Jerusalem Report, May 24, 1999

“You cannot believe a word he [Benjamin Netanyahu] says.” —Likud politician Limor Livnat, as quoted in Ben Caspit and Ilan Kfir, Netanyahu: The Road to Power, 1998

“the armor-plated bullshitter” —British Foreign Office nickname for Benjamin Netanyahu, as reported by former Tony Blair aide Alistair Campbell, 1998

“Not only do members of the Clinton administration, Arab heads of state, some of Israel’s security chiefs, President Weizman, Knesset members across the spectrum and even cabinet ministers consider him [Benjamin Netanyahu], to put it mildly, disingenuous, but so too does much of the Israeli public” —David Horowitz, The Jerusalem Report, August 17, 1998

“To subdivide this land into two unstable, insecure nations, to try to defend what is indefensible, is to invite disaster. Carving Judea and Samaria out of Israel means carving up Israel.” —Benjamin Netanyahu, A Place Among the Nations, 1993

“The stumbling block to the road for peace is this demand for a PLO state. ... When this demand is abandoned we can have real and genuine peace.”
—Benjamin Netanyahu (then known as Benjamin Nitay), in English, 1978

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2Should Anyone Believe Bibi? Empty Re: Should Anyone Believe Bibi? 3/20/2015, 6:46 pm

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Bibi is the consummate political liar. No wonder Obama does not trust him. He talks out of three sides of his mouth.

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3Should Anyone Believe Bibi? Empty Re: Should Anyone Believe Bibi? 3/20/2015, 7:01 pm

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Bibi’s Hatred And Fear Mongering Goes Viral

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/03/06/bibis-hatred-and-fear-mongering-goes-viral/

Holding on to hatred eventually poisons the instigator and they eventually become exactly what they are railing against and in this case Israel Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu has become the embodiment of everything he despises and distrusts with Iran ~ and in the process it becomes obvious that Israel is fast becoming the very same rogue undeclared nuclear, fascist, deceptive and evil state that Netanyahu has been warning the world against.

This article is great. It shows how under Bibi Netanyahu, Israel has already become what it fears in Iran.

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4Should Anyone Believe Bibi? Empty Re: Should Anyone Believe Bibi? 3/21/2015, 1:44 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

I'm sure Bibi is aware of this:

5Should Anyone Believe Bibi? Empty Re: Should Anyone Believe Bibi? 3/21/2015, 1:56 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


The commentary on the video, which was published by Ben Silverstein:

Published on Nov 9, 2012
Israeli-Palestinian Conflict Info
Palestinians face home demolitions leaving tens of thousands homeless. Checkpoints within the West Bank humiliate Palestinians who have to wait for hours. They are not for "security" and are placed between Palestinian cities.

The apartheid wall is a giant concrete wall that dwarfs the Berlin Wall. The wal is not on the border, but 90% of it runs inside the West Bank, separating villages, and destroying homes and Palestinian farmland in the way of its construction

650,000 illegal Israeli settlers live in illegal settlements(colonies) on Palestinian land, destroying Palestinian homes and leaving innocent families and children homeless.
4.7 million Palestinians are classified by the U.N as refugees that were displaced from their homes by Israel.
The Archbishop Tutu and Nelson Mandela as well as other South African leaders have reported that the Israeli apartheid is worse than in South Africa.

"We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians" - Nelson Mandela

Please spread the movement!!!!!!! It worked for South Africa, and it will work to free Palestine from Israeli apartheid.

http://www.apartheidweek.org/
http://www.endtheoccupation.org/
http://www.mondoweiss.net/
http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/
http://www.itisapartheid.org/
http://www.bdsmovement.net/
http://www.palsolidarity.org/

6Should Anyone Believe Bibi? Empty Re: Should Anyone Believe Bibi? 3/21/2015, 2:19 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/separating-semitism-zionism

Separating anti-Semitism from anti-Zionism

Lillian Rosengarten on March 12, 2015

The Israeli Zionist ministry of propaganda has successfully blurred the distinction between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism. With clever adeptness and manipulation they have succeeded in spreading a form of domestic terror to Europe and the United States. This form of terrorism as defined by the Thesaurus is “the calculated use of violence or threat of violence to civilians in order to attain goals that are religious or political or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation, coercion or instilling fear.” Use of the Holocaust as propaganda invites fear and hysteria.

Netanyahu drew thunderous applause that followed the words loudly proclaimed as if he owned them: “Never Again.” I felt sick as he spoke of the deadly rise of anti-Semitism, a hatred of Jews bound together with the destruction of Israel. “Never Again,” a powerful and highly charged statement, was used here to create a lie in the suppression of the crimes of Israeli Zionism, covered up and justified as a means to “defend itself.” What? To defend itself from a repeat of Hitler’s program to rid Europe of all Jews? Is that the vision of a Jewish State only, a place of safety for all Jews to be protected from a hostile world, with walls, and born from the blood of apartheid and ethnic cleansing? Is this not insanity to pursue an agenda with complete disregard to human values except for Jews?

Now as Europe and the United States struggle to wake up, to question the blind support of Zionist Israel, those who speak out and say “No,” continue to be vilified. Israel’s shouts of anti-Semite are attempts to drown dissent. Can one really believe there still exists the possibility of another incarnation of the Nazi Holocaust? Is this not designed for empathy and support from those who still fantasize the lost dream of Israel as a beacon of light? It is not difficult to observe the strong emotional responses, particularly in Jews and Germans, upon hearing reference to the ashes of the Holocaust as a justification for Israel to “defend itself. ” “Never again” would refer to a justification to commit atrocities against Palestinians for the past 70 years. It must stop.

As the memory of the Holocaust is ignited, cries of “anti-semite” grow and create fear. Useful for the purpose of taking the focus off internal brutal assaults, land stealing, apartheid and ethnic cleansing, it is a distortion in my view and obscures the genesis of a new rise of anti-Semitism in the last decade. True anti-Semites hate Jews. Rising up against Israel is about standing against an ideological, nationalistic and racist government.

I feel particularly as Jews we have a responsibility to remain vigilant and to speak out against victimization. The pursuit of a just society is a fundamental concept of Judaism, which teaches involvement and concern with the plight of our fellow human beings. Every life is sacred and we are obligated to do what we can to help others. The Torah states, “neither shalt thou stand idly by the blood of thy neighbor.“ (Lev. 19:16) There is nothing anti-Semitic about speaking out against the suffering perpetrated on the lives of Palestinians.

The distinction between Zionism and Judaism remains in constant need of clarification and discussion. Fanatics closed to discussion believe in their moral superiority and create political terror so as to silence and deny. The charge of “delegitimizing Israel “ requires one to question what the Israeli government is hiding and whether Israel has not delegitimized itself through decades of illegal human rights abuses. I believe these abuses have contributed profoundly to the rise of true anti-Semitism in the world today.

- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/separating-semitism-zionism#sthash.MX4ixWcQ.dpuf

7Should Anyone Believe Bibi? Empty Re: Should Anyone Believe Bibi? 3/21/2015, 3:37 pm

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Good posts, FT. In the 1940s, the Zionists were fully aware of Hitler's holocaust against Europe's Jews. The Holocaust was no concern for them, as they fully intended to exploit it to their advantage. A couple of million dead Jews were nothing to them if it helped them establish a Zionist state in Palestine.

"One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe."

Yitzhak Gruenbaum - One of 13 provisional leaders of the emerging state of Israel


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Gruenbaum#In_Israel

In the more modern era, Benjamin Netanyahu continues to demonstrate the evil embodied in political Zionism.

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8Should Anyone Believe Bibi? Empty Re: Should Anyone Believe Bibi? 3/21/2015, 3:42 pm

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Should Anyone Believe Bibi? Isreal14

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9Should Anyone Believe Bibi? Empty Re: Should Anyone Believe Bibi? 3/21/2015, 4:02 pm

2seaoat



the armor-plated bullshitter” —British Foreign Office nickname for Benjamin Netanyahu, as reported by former Tony Blair aide Alistair Campbell, 1998

I think he has stepped in the doo doo. Americans do not want to be someone's colony or tail being wagged by a foreign nation who has bought and paid for our congress, in part from the 3 billion we send in aid. I am a big supporter of Israel, but I will NEVER put Israel's interests before America's interests.......those traitors will be dealt with in future elections. Old Ben has not made it easy for Israel......the downside of his behavior begins soon.

10Should Anyone Believe Bibi? Empty Re: Should Anyone Believe Bibi? 3/21/2015, 7:12 pm

Markle

Markle

ANOTHER great diversion attempt by my Progressive good friends.

Should Anyone Believe Bibi? LieoftheYear

11Should Anyone Believe Bibi? Empty Re: Should Anyone Believe Bibi? 3/21/2015, 7:22 pm

2seaoat



Nobody has to divert anything.....just have to watch career politicians buying multi million dollar condos in Marco Island while taking huge donations from agents of a foreign nation, and then he wants to send American kids to die in another trumped up war against Iran.......all the while he slithered out of the Navy in only eight weeks during the peak of the Viet Nam war......yep diversion is not necessary. Bibi's money can make the best Congress for a foreign nation in our history......even the loyalist doing the bidding of Britain were showing proper allegiance to king George, but last time I checked we were not a colony of Israel, and King Bibi is not a king of the colony........

12Should Anyone Believe Bibi? Empty Re: Should Anyone Believe Bibi? 3/21/2015, 7:42 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


OK...now in the context of what we have learned, watch this from 9/11. Try not to think in terms of "conspiracy theory". Just watch.

13Should Anyone Believe Bibi? Empty Re: Should Anyone Believe Bibi? 3/21/2015, 7:57 pm

KarlRove

KarlRove

363 Congressmen believe him.

http://conservativetribune.com/363-congressmen-unite/

14Should Anyone Believe Bibi? Empty Re: Should Anyone Believe Bibi? 3/21/2015, 8:06 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


People were terrified. The Congress was terrified, because if it wasn't enough to have passed Anthrax Attacks

The Post-9/11/01 Anthrax Attacks


The anthrax-containing letter envelope mailed to Senator Tom Daschile
On October 9, 2001, letters containing anthrax were sent to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy and Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle. 1 Both senators had been attempting to slow the passage of the USA PATRIOT Act. Just seven days before the incident, Leahy accused the Bush administration of reneging on an agreement on the bill. 2

Also targeted by the anthrax mailings were recipients of an earlier batch of anthrax letters postmarked September 18: ABC News, CBS News, NBC News, the New York Post, and American Media Inc. (AMI), publisher of the National Enquirer. Although some of the letters were addressed to prominent news anchors, the victims of the attack were confined to AMI workers, postal workers, and capital building workers, and a hospital worker. A total of five people were killed by becoming infected with anthrax, and seventeen were sickened.

The anthrax used in the attack was weaponized -- milled finely so that it can remain airborne and be inhaled. Weaponization of anthrax is a difficult technical feat that only the US and Russian militaries have achieved. 3 Investigators believe that the anthrax used in the attack most likely came from the US military laboratory at Fort Detrick. 4

In the wake of the anthrax mailings, thousands of postal workers took ciprofloxacin (Cipro) on the recommendation of federal health officials. The scare induced hundreds of thousands more to buy and take the drug. Bayer Corporation, which enjoyed a patent-based monopoly on Cipro, was granted an extension of its monopoly by Congress in late 2001. 5

The Bentonite Hoax

As early as October there were indications that the anthrax attacks would be used as a pretext for the 2003 invasion of Iraq. On an October 18 appearance on the David Letterman Show, Senator John McCain stated: "There is some indication, and I don't have the conclusions, but some of this anthrax may -- and I emphasize may -- have come from Iraq." Then-ABC News chief investigative correspondent Brian Ross began circulating a story linking the anthrax to Iraq through the alleged additive bentonite, stating on October 26:

sources tell ABCNEWS the anthrax in the tainted letter sent to Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle was laced with bentonite. The potent additive is known to have been used by only one country in producing biochemical weapons — Iraq.... it is a trademark of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein's biological weapons program... The discovery of bentonite came in an urgent series of tests conducted at Fort Detrick, Maryland, and elsewhere," 6
In fact, that the compound bentonite was not found in the anthrax samples was admitted by ABC News in 2007. 7 Yet ABC News has failed to disclose the "well placed sources" on which the bentonite claim was based -- sources who used the network to promote a highly consequential deception.

The FBI's Protracted Investigation

As of 2008, no one has been charged in the attack. In June of 2008, Steven Hatfill, a former Army scientist, named a "person of interest" by then-Attorney General John Ashcroft in 2002, won a settlement of $5.82 million in a civil action charging that the Justice Department and the FBI invaded his privacy and destroyed his career. 8

Just one month after Hatfill was exonerated, the FBI threatened to charge Dr. Bruce E. Ivins, a US government microbiologist and vaccinologist for 36 years and senior biodefense researcher at the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) in Fort Detrick, with involvement in the anthrax attacks. The FBI had been investigating Ivins since late 2006, and according to his lawyer he had been cooperating. Ivans reportedly committed suicide by taking an overdose of acetominophen and codeine. On August 6, 2008, the FBI and the Justice Department declared that the case had been solved. 9 through 9/11, the anthrax sealed the deal.

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When I wrote that the anthrax "sealed the deal", I had no idea that this article would use the exact same wording.

15Should Anyone Believe Bibi? Empty Re: Should Anyone Believe Bibi? 3/21/2015, 8:14 pm

2seaoat



363 Congressmen believe him.


Name one of those 363 who have not taken political money contributions for agents of Israel......just one. If you find that one, was he or she in a primary battle, and did their opponent get money contributions from Israel or its agents. I am all for strong support for Israel, but it stops when American kids die for THEIR national interests. Our national interests are to disengage in the Middle East. Israel, Turkey, and the Saudis want us there and some of these folks have been providing financial backing initially for ISIS.

Has anybody asked the question when ISIS is a few miles away from Israel, no attack takes place, yet these paid for traitors suddenly think we should be concerned and send our kids when they are thousands of miles away......why would an Islamic State not attack their perceived devil at all.....I mean, not even a rocket attack? You do not bite the hand which feeds you, and the strange back room arrangement of the Saudis and Israel to force our hand with ISIS and Iran, belie the real deal.

16Should Anyone Believe Bibi? Empty Re: Should Anyone Believe Bibi? 3/21/2015, 8:57 pm

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

KarlRove wrote:363 Congressmen believe him.

http://conservativetribune.com/363-congressmen-unite/

They are tools, just like you are.

Your source, conservativetribune.com, is lame. It isn't even an article. It is a poorly-designed blog that is mostly just lame advertising. It does not surprise me that you lap that crap up like it is the real thing, however.



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17Should Anyone Believe Bibi? Empty Re: Should Anyone Believe Bibi? 3/21/2015, 9:02 pm

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Markle wrote:ANOTHER great diversion attempt by my Progressive good friends.

I will remember what you said the next time you start one of your diversion threads, which you do routinely....


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