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Navarre Beach: Blackhawk Chopper Crashed

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Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

http://www.pnj.com/story/news/military/2015/03/11/military-helicopter-crashes-in-florida-panhandle/70136348/

My thoughts and prayers to the family and friends. So proud of our local residents helping at the scene.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

That is why they call helicopters "Crowd Killers." I heard that term first used in 1978. Not the first time nor the last time an accident like this happens. It is a dangerous line of work, whether in peacetime or during wartime.

Prayers for the deceased.

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gatorfan



Flying into the water at night is easy to do. Sad......

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2seaoat



Fog is so deadly. Prayers to families.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

gatorfan wrote:Flying into the water at night is easy to do. Sad......

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I am glad I never did any deployments afloat. The few times I had to do night operations from a ship scared the wits out of me.

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Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

The fog is no heavy.....you can barely see the end of the docks.

2seaoat



Z,
This may sound like an incredibly naive question, but could you when you were flying helicopters fly them completely on instruments without visual?

Is there such a thing as automatic pilot, which could chart a course back to base, and then land?

KarlRove

KarlRove

by ZVUGKTUBM Today at 5:15 pm
gatorfan wrote:
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Flying into the water at night is easy to do. Sad......

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I am glad I never did any deployments afloat. The few times I had to do night operations from a ship scared the wits out of me.
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Hominy Christmas thank God I never flew on a bird you were in control of.....

KarlRove

KarlRove

by 2seaoat Today at 6:27 pm
Z,
This may sound like an incredibly naive question, but could you when you were flying helicopters fly them completely on instruments without visual?

Is there such a thing as automatic pilot, which could chart a course back to base, and then land?
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No, but on the drones we fly there is that capability. I'm not at liberty to discuss.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

2seaoat wrote:Z,
This may sound like an incredibly naive question, but could you when you were flying helicopters fly them completely on instruments without visual?

Is there such a thing as automatic pilot, which could chart a course back to base, and then land?

Yes, you could fly all of our helicopters under instrument flight rules (IFR). We had to keep out instrument ratings current. We had navigation instruments that could point us back to a station on the ground or a ship TACAN--I flew before the era of GPS).

No automatic pilot to fly you to a safe landing--that you had to do yourself.

But, as Gatorfan said, it is really easy to crash in the water, especially at night. You get out over the water with no visual horizon (if the conditions are just right) and get vertigo or lose situational awareness, and whamo, you are dead. It can be over in mere seconds.

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ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

KarlRove wrote:Hominy  Christmas thank God I never flew on a bird you were in control of.....

It might have happened if you were stationed on the West Coast in the mid-80s. You would have been another faceless grunt sitting in the back.

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Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

Life-Flight uses IFR....but it stands for I Follow Roads.

2seaoat



Are they finding debris in the Gulf or the Sound?

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

2seaoat wrote:Are they finding debris in the Gulf or the Sound?
 The chopper crashed in the sound....east of Navarre bridge. Yes, they are finding debris as the tide came in. The scanner is quiet. The command post is set up behind Helenback, across from Winn Dixie. One body for sure was recovered earlier today.  Debris has washed up along the sound.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Joanimaroni wrote:Life-Flight uses IFR....but it stands for I Follow Roads.

I follow roads--yes, that too. You still had to pass your instrument check... Razz

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KarlRove

KarlRove

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
KarlRove wrote:Hominy  Christmas thank God I never flew on a bird you were in control of.....

It might have happened if you were stationed on the West Coast in the mid-80s. You would have been another faceless grunt sitting in the back.


I was at CLNC by then. The armpit of the Corps and the main reason I got out. I had orders to Stumps and should have taken them. Got them changed. Stupid decision.

2seaoat



The Navarre Beach Forum has pretty good coverage, and the moderator found one of the serviceman's hat behind his home which is on the sound......very sad looking at the photo of the hat and thinking about the young men who perished.

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

Which forum?

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

The worst but expected answer. No hope for survivors.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Joanimaroni wrote:The worst but expected answer. No hope for survivors.

My stepdaughter showed me photos from the crash that were online. Lots of small pieces, which would indicate a very hard impact. We will have to wait for the accident investigation to publish its results.

Supposedly, the pilots were very experienced... There may have been some mechanical issue... who knows? At night, in poor weather, with little visible horizon, and low over the water--it is a nice setting for a horrible accident to occur no matter how good a pilot is. Throw in some mechanical trouble, which could cause a momentary loss of situational awareness---BAMMM! You're dead. Military flying is dangerous all the time--inside and outside of combat.

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ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

KarlRove wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
KarlRove wrote:Hominy  Christmas thank God I never flew on a bird you were in control of.....

It might have happened if you were stationed on the West Coast in the mid-80s. You would have been another faceless grunt sitting in the back.


I was at CLNC by then. The armpit of the Corps and the main reason I got out. I had orders to Stumps and should have taken them. Got them changed. Stupid decision.

Why would anyone want to take orders to the Stumps? Lots of rocks and sand out there. I spent a lot of time at 29 Palms and logged many flight hours supporting ground operations there. I got to where I could fly between MCAS Tustin and the stumps without needing a map.

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dumpcare



Just reported changed to recovery operation. They found most of the helicopter.

Hallmarkgard



There are a lot of people that owe their very lives to the brave persons who fly helicopters. In peace time and in war it is no easy job. Too bad we only seem to notice them when they crash and die. A damn sad day for everyone...

cool1

cool1

Early in the AM after it happened I posted on FB--about it and said I hope they find them alive --But after seeing pieces of helicopter , Very sad nope not one , prayers for there families--- Crying or Very sad

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