TEOTWAWKI and the labor force participation rate

Yes, we have another one...

OK, TEO.  You obviously cling to this economic data point.  This is your chance to make your case and explain to all of us exactly why it is that you feel the Labor Force Participation rate is the end-all economic data point. You seem to be under the impression that posting the same chart again and again is a valid, substantive entry into any discussion, no matter the topic.  This is your chance to lay out why you feel that is the case.

I'll just go ahead and get this out of the way now to save you the time.  The labor force participation rate:





So there it is. This is the holy-grail of all economic data points in TEO-land.   Notice the long rising trend that lasts between the years 1963 and 2000.  Many would attribute that to cultural changes that took hold in the US during that time.  We evolved from a society in which women had a very specific roll - a homemaker - to a society in which women are empowered to gain education and work.  This is just one factor perhaps among many.  That said, TEO likely discounts conventional wisdom and instead has his own theories to explain that increase, and I suspect they're all political.

Also notice the peak in the year 2000 and the subsequent decline.  Some would say the peak was the end of the "dot com" era in which we saw massive gains in productivity in large part due to widespread adoption of computers and the internet in business.  What followed was a steady trend of automation combined with a massive aging cohort (baby boomers) that were reaching retirement age and that began to exit the workforce.  But here again, I'm sure TEO has his own theories and I'm sure they're all based in politics.

So, with that said, the floor is yours, TEO.  Let's hear it.  Tell us all why the labor force participation rate is the end-all economic data point that trumps everything from jobless claims, to GDP, to retail sales, to consumer confidence, to the employment situation.  Enlighten us as to why we see the movements that we do in this data point, which clearly are long long running trends.  

Please proceed, governor....

http://www.businessinsider.com/labor-force-participation-rate-september-2014-2014-10

Why the participation rate has fallen so much is one of the most hotly debated questions in economics. On the one hand, America is aging, and the baby boomers are beginning to retire. That leads to a natural demographic decline in the participation rate.
On the other hand, the US is coming out of the worst recession it has faced in decades, and the participation rate dropped much more sharply since 2008. The cyclical effects from the recession may also be a big factor in the declining participation rate.

The reason is still debated...we will see..

Are you capable of expressing any substantive opinion on the subject or are you just a Markle-bot - good only for posting the same tired charts and articles for optics and then running away when it is time for an actual discussion?

Don't worry, no other republican has ever been able to make an intelligent argument on this subject either, so you shouldn't feel bad.  

You all are equal in your incompetence.

You hypocrite posting Wikipedia BS as your source....don't you have a job to do ?...maybe something productive ?

TEOTWAWKI wrote:You hypocrite posting Wikipedia BS as your source....don't you have a job to do ?...maybe something productive ?

Wikipedia BS as my source?  I wrote the above original post.  What, is it outside the realm of possibility in TEO-land that someone could actually understand an economic data point and then communicate a coherent opinion on the subject?

Exactly how low do you set the bar for yourself, Captain Employable?

boards of FL wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:You hypocrite posting Wikipedia BS as your source....don't you have a job to do ?...maybe something productive ?

Wikipedia BS as my source?  I wrote the above original post.  What, is it outside the realm of possibility in TEO-land that someone could actually understand an economic data point and then communicate a coherent opinion on the subject?

Exactly how low do you set the bar for yourself, Captain Employable?

Dude I been through hard times but always my family had all they needed...hope you can say the same, now get back to work and pay my social security....I am getting to like this retirement stuff...

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:You hypocrite posting Wikipedia BS as your source....don't you have a job to do ?...maybe something productive ?

Wikipedia BS as my source?  I wrote the above original post.  What, is it outside the realm of possibility in TEO-land that someone could actually understand an economic data point and then communicate a coherent opinion on the subject?

Exactly how low do you set the bar for yourself, Captain Employable?

Dude I been through hard times but always my family had all they needed...hope you can say the same, now get back to work and pay my social security....I am getting to like this retirement stuff...

So that's it? Your post was in fact only for optics? You really have nothing to say on the subject at all? You are in fact just another Markle bot - only good for posting the same article after each BLS report and then running away when it is time to actually have a discussion?

Who would have thought!

I'll see you this time next month when we go through all of this again.

Between Sal, seaoat and you Boards, I don't know who's more rude and insulting. I guess if I were intent on defending lying BS from this criminal government I would try to be as obnoxious and condescending as possible and those that saw through your BS might just quit in disgust with your smart ass behavior.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Between Sal, seaoat and you Boards, I don't know who's more rude and insulting. I guess if I were intent on defending lying BS from this criminal government I would try to be as obnoxious and condescending as possible and those that saw through your BS might just quit in disgust with your smart ass behavior.

Lying BS from the criminal government?  

Let's pause for a second and review what is going on here.

1.  I posted today's jobs report.

2.  You resurrected the same idiot argument that yourself, Markle, and KarlRove regularly bring up each time there is good news about the economy, but that none of you can seem to muster the brain power to actually defend.

3.  I called you out on that and tried to directly engage you on the subject.

4.  You aren't competent enough to actually communicate any sort of intelligent opinion on the subject, so you deferred to another article about the same tired subject.

5.  I called you out on that.

6.  Now everything is a conspiracy.  The numbers are lies!!  The government lies!!! This is all a massive clandestine conspiracy to trick us all into believing that private sector jobs are being added to the economy!!! Oh no!!


If you don't want to continually be labeled an idiot, perhaps you should stop continually acting like an idiot. I can't be faulted for your incompetence.

I posted a story, you posted a story. All we have to go on is what we read. Unless of course you work for the President. Now you slander me with every derision you can muster. I am retired have all the money I need and much more for the remainder of my life. You are just getting started I hope for your sake you are right and I am wrong...no matter what happens I'll be fine. Now run along and annoy someone else.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:I posted a story, you posted a story. All we have to go on is what we read. Unless of course you work for the President. Now you slander me with every derision you can muster. I am retired have all the money I need and much more for the remainder of my life. You are just getting started I hope for your sake you are right and I am wrong...no matter what happens I'll be fine. Now run along and annoy someone else.

I didn't post a story.  There is no narrative or spin.  I didn't post some opinion piece or an oped.  

I posted jobs numbers.  Numbers, TEO.  Why is this such a foreign concept to you?  Is it unfathomable that someone can go straight to the source of information and dissect it on their own?  Do you need a member of the media to go to the information for you and then spoon feed it to you in a gentle way that doesn't disturb your divorced-from-reality worldview?

Dig up, stupid!  Dig up!

And why do you keep bringing up the fact that you're retired and are OK for money? No one is offering you a loan here. Being retired doesn't make your posts any less idiotic. What is the point of even mentioning that?

Focus, republican! Focus!

See boards I made it through the maze and now can relax. You are just entering it. I suggest a strong dose of skepticism with whatever comes out of Washington.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:See boards I made it through the maze and now can relax. You are just entering it. I suggest a strong dose of skepticism with whatever comes out of Washington.

You're saying this right after you posted government numbers.  Do you even realize that?   Where do you think the LPR numbers come from, Captain Employable?  I don't think you even grasp exactly how stupid your posts are here.

One more time:

1.  I posted the BLS jobs numbers.  (The BLS is a government entity)

2.  You posted an article about the LPR - which is also a BLS number.

3.  I tried to engage you on the LPR but you aren't able to discuss it because you don't really understand it or know anything about it.

4.  Since you can't actually discuss the LPR intelligently, you deferred to your usual "The government lies!!!!" argument.  The problem with that is that you posted government numbers.  The LPR is a government number.  Do you not realize that?

If you simply stopped replying at this point, you'd seem infinitely more intelligent.  With each response, you're only showing that you really do not have even the slightest clue as to what you're talking about.

boards of FL wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:See boards I made it through the maze and now can relax. You are just entering it. I suggest a strong dose of skepticism with whatever comes out of Washington.

You're saying this right after you posted government numbers.  Do you even realize that?   Where do you think the LPR numbers come from, Captain Employable?  I don't think you even grasp exactly how stupid your posts are here.

One more time:

1.  I posted the BLS jobs numbers.  (The BLS is a government entity)

2.  You posted an article about the LPR - which is also a BLS number.

3.  I tried to engage you on the LPR but you aren't able to discuss it because you don't really understand it or know anything about it.

4.  Since you can't actually discuss the LPR intelligently, you deferred to your usual "The government lies!!!!" argument.  The problem with that is that you posted government numbers.  The LPR is a government number.  Do you not realize that?

If you simply stopped replying at this point, you'd seem infinitely more intelligent.  With each response, you're only showing that you really do not have even the slightest clue as to what you're talking about

You think everyone here is an expert on what they talk about ? LOL you are a dumbass...this a pitiful little forum in a pitiful little part of a state full of crazies, not the league of extraordinary gentlemen...sheesh what a maroon.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:See boards I made it through the maze and now can relax. You are just entering it. I suggest a strong dose of skepticism with whatever comes out of Washington.

You're saying this right after you posted government numbers.  Do you even realize that?   Where do you think the LPR numbers come from, Captain Employable?  I don't think you even grasp exactly how stupid your posts are here.

One more time:

1.  I posted the BLS jobs numbers.  (The BLS is a government entity)

2.  You posted an article about the LPR - which is also a BLS number.

3.  I tried to engage you on the LPR but you aren't able to discuss it because you don't really understand it or know anything about it.

4.  Since you can't actually discuss the LPR intelligently, you deferred to your usual "The government lies!!!!" argument.  The problem with that is that you posted government numbers.  The LPR is a government number.  Do you not realize that?

If you simply stopped replying at this point, you'd seem infinitely more intelligent.  With each response, you're only showing that you really do not have even the slightest clue as to what you're talking about

You think everyone here is an expert on what they talk about ? LOL you are a dumbass...this a pitiful little forum in a pitiful little part of a state full of crazies, not the league of extraordinary gentlemen...sheesh what a maroon.

No one expects you to be an expert.  No one expects anyone to be an expert.  Just don't be an abject moron.

If you don't understand things like employment numbers, don't wade into a discussion about employment numbers.  If you don't understand what the LPR is or why it moves the way that it does, don't invoke it in a conversation about the unemployment rate - another topic you are obviously clueless about.

And if you do invoke the LPR and if you are exposed as being someone who doesn't actually understand it, for god sakes don't defer to a "Government numbers are  all lies!!!" argument, because - again - the LPR is a government number.

And if you still do all of this, don't blame me for the fact that you are a dumbass.  

All I can do is ask that you either 1) read up on all of this stuff or 2) do society a favor and stay at home on election day.

Yeah I don't blame you for being an inexperienced youth blindly looking for honestly in a world full of deception...good luck hope you find out sooner than later...

Are we done here again?

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