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Why does America's middle class steadily decrease?

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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

India and China's middle class is growing at breathtaking rates. Yet ours continues to diminish. And it has nothing whatever to do with whichever of our two sold out parties is in power.

Screw Amerika Inc.! Corporate control of our government through campaign financing.

KarlRove

KarlRove

Wordslinger wrote:India and China's middle class is growing at breathtaking rates.  Yet ours continues to diminish.  And it has nothing whatever to do with whichever of our two sold out parties is in power.

Screw Amerika Inc.!  Corporate control of our government through campaign financing.

Just look at what taxes Obama is forcing on the middle class. That's all you need to know.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

KarlRove wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:India and China's middle class is growing at breathtaking rates.  Yet ours continues to diminish.  And it has nothing whatever to do with whichever of our two sold out parties is in power.

Screw Amerika Inc.!  Corporate control of our government through campaign financing.

Just look at what taxes Obama is forcing on the middle class. That's all you need to know.

Exactly what taxes might those be? Since when does the Executive Branch initiate tax policy? I thought that came out of the congress?

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Part of the problem with the shrinking middle class is that most people are so poorly informed they are incapable of making a good decision when it comes to voting. A lot of these poor decisions go back to the old computer saying: garbage in, garbage out. When you see reports on the news that go on ad nauseam about stories that are basically just distractions from our real problems then you get the mess we are in now.


2014 was a year of eye-popping media numbers, from millions of dollars' worth of coverage devoted to a trumped-up scandal to mere seconds devoted to historic news. Here are some of the most important -- and most surprising -- figures from the year.


http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/12/31/the-media-in-2014-by-the-numbers/201950

2seaoat



Just look at what taxes Obama is forcing on the middle class. That's all you need to know.




So you think the Middle class was taxed out of existence........that is like saying the American buffalo almost became extinct because the government taxed them out of existence. The American middle class was hunted like the buffalo by a selfish Oligarchy who has an insatiable appetite driven by greed and no loyalty to this country.

KarlRove

KarlRove

The American middle clas is being taxed out of existence. You have two spectrums working against the middle class-

Rich folks in 1% like yourself Seaoat who can itemize and deduct everything and the lower tier getting free handouts of entitlements that aren't contributing at all.

KarlRove

KarlRove

Who do you think is paying for all of the ACA subsidies? It's the middle class homey.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

KarlRove wrote:Who do you think is paying for all of the ACA subsidies? It's the middle class homey.

The middle class may be paying for government services but it is not just the ACA that is part of the government bill. How about the military/jobs program that continues to build things the military does not want?

We have a two pronged problem here. First we need to reexamine our national priorities and decide if we really want to spend as much as we do on the war machine and second we need to revamp our tax code so corporations don't get away with taxpayers giving them subsidies when they don't need them.


Who has had an inordinate amount of influence on how thees tax breaks are written? ALEC the corporate group that writes laws and hands them to our legislators to introduce on the floor of the congress.

It is for sure our corporate owned government that has been rigged by big money interests that is destroying the middle class.

Sadly, until people develop a thirst for real information and get away from the MSM corporate news we will continue along these lines.

polecat

polecat

1984 - if libs say Reaganomics will destroy the middle class, call 'em commies.
2014 - if the middle class has been destroyed, blame libs.
- John Fugelsang

KarlRove

KarlRove

Reaganomics was proven to have helped middle class that the difference.

KarlRove

KarlRove

Othershoe the military gets told what to fund by Congress. Remember we have civilian control of military on this country,

2seaoat



Reaganomics was proven to have helped middle class that the difference.




Like turnovers helped FSU last night........what planet are you on that you do not even recognize who has destroyed the middle class. It was giving the upper income brackets rates which were half of what they formerly paid while our national debt starting with Reagan was ran up the flag pole. His economic policies destroyed the middle class not exclusively, but was the largest component of the same. Increased rates and increased minimum wage will begin to reverse the median income drops from the illusion of trickle down economics.......the trickle down was the Oligarchy turning the middle class upside down as they caught the money falling from the middle class pockets.

KarlRove

KarlRove

My pay went up every year under Reagan. Thanks Ronnie!

2seaoat



My pay went up every year under Reagan. Thanks Ronnie!




Of course. as did other government employees as government and deficits grew, and the middle class disappeared.

Markle

Markle

othershoe1030 wrote:
KarlRove wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:India and China's middle class is growing at breathtaking rates.  Yet ours continues to diminish.  And it has nothing whatever to do with whichever of our two sold out parties is in power.

Screw Amerika Inc.!  Corporate control of our government through campaign financing.

Just look at what taxes Obama is forcing on the middle class. That's all you need to know.

Exactly what taxes might those be? Since when does the Executive Branch initiate tax policy? I thought that came out of the congress?

Remember what then Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi told us. And as Gruber told us, the stupid ones believed, there would be no new taxes. Oops....

KarlRove

KarlRove

Yep Dems are fools

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

KarlRove wrote:Othershoe the military gets told what to fund by Congress. Remember we have civilian control of military on this country,

Exactly correct, unfortunately because many of the procurement programs employ a lot of high paid people and are distributed in nearly every district in the country the Congress keeps voting to continue programs that the military does not need or want.

The political conversation is rigged now so that anyone speaking out against waste in the military budget is automatically labeled a commie and anti-American. With a set up like that coupled with the jobs angle and Congress just keeps spending on things no one needs. Ironically they keep squawking about the debt while voting for more of it.

My idea for a cure for this situation, at least in part, would be to convert some of these high tech companies from war materials to energy saving technologies such as renewable energy products, new battery technology, better insulating materials. These are all things we could use here in this country. It would create a lot of new jobs and if we got good enough at it maybe even export products abroad.

KarlRove

KarlRove

othershoe1030 wrote:
KarlRove wrote:Othershoe the military gets told what to fund by Congress. Remember we have civilian control of military on this country,

Exactly correct, unfortunately because many of the procurement programs employ a lot of high paid people and are distributed in nearly every district in the country the Congress keeps voting to continue programs that the military does not need or want.

The political conversation is rigged now so that anyone speaking out against waste in the military budget is automatically labeled a commie and anti-American. With a set up like that coupled with the jobs angle and Congress just keeps spending on things no one needs. Ironically they keep squawking about the debt while voting for more of it.

My idea for a cure for this situation, at least in part, would be to convert some of these high tech companies from war materials to energy saving technologies such as renewable energy products, new battery technology, better insulating materials. These are all things we could use here in this country. It would create a lot of new jobs and if we got good enough at it maybe even export products abroad.

Yes lets throw batteries at ISIS and see how that goes...

The military took all the hits on sequestration. Let's trim something else first.

Anytime we are good at anything, employers move folks overseas for cheaper labor. Most nearly all defense stuff is made here and the jobs we do have are well paying so no I am not for shitcanning them just to make some made up funny business for you envirowhackos

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

KarlRove wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:
KarlRove wrote:Othershoe the military gets told what to fund by Congress. Remember we have civilian control of military on this country,

Exactly correct, unfortunately because many of the procurement programs employ a lot of high paid people and are distributed in nearly every district in the country the Congress keeps voting to continue programs that the military does not need or want.

The political conversation is rigged now so that anyone speaking out against waste in the military budget is automatically labeled a commie and anti-American. With a set up like that coupled with the jobs angle and Congress just keeps spending on things no one needs. Ironically they keep squawking about the debt while voting for more of it.

My idea for a cure for this situation, at least in part, would be to convert some of these high tech companies from war materials to energy saving technologies such as renewable energy products, new battery technology, better insulating materials. These are all things we could use here in this country. It would create a lot of new jobs and if we got good enough at it maybe even export products abroad.

Yes lets throw batteries at ISIS and see how that goes...

The military took all the hits on sequestration. Let's trim something else first.

Anytime we are good at anything, employers move folks overseas for cheaper labor. Most nearly all defense stuff is made here and the jobs we do have are well paying so no I am not for shitcanning them just to make some made up funny business for you envirowhackos

First of all if we'd kept our noses out of Iraq and Afghanistan to begin with there likely wouldn't be any ISIS today to throw anything at.

The military most certainly DID NOT take all the hits required by the sequestration.

The Budget Control Act (BCA) of 2011 imposed caps on discretionary programs that will reduce their funding by more than $1 trillion over the ten years from 2012 through 2021, relative to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) baseline from 2010.  It also established a Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction to propose legislation reducing deficits by another $1.2 trillion over that period, and established a backup “sequestration” procedure to increase the incentive on the Joint Committee to reach a compromise.  Because the Joint Committee failed to achieve its goal, sequestration — a form of automatic cuts that apply largely across the board — is now scheduled to occur starting in January 2013 and to cover the period through 2021.
Part 1 of this report outlines how these across-the-board cuts will work in 2013.  Part 2 describes how they will work from 2014 through 2021. As explained below, the process for 2013 is substantially different from that for the ensuing eight years.
Broadly speaking, for 2013 the across-the-board cuts will mean about an 8.4 percent cut in most affected non-defense discretionary programs, a 7.5 percent cut in affected defense programs, an 8.0 percent cut in affected mandatory programs other than Medicare, and a 2.0 percent cut in Medicare provider payments.  For 2014 through 2021, the Medicare cut will remain at 2 percent while the percentage cuts in other programs will gradually shrink.  These estimates — which are revised from estimates in our December 2, 2011, analysis — take into account new CBO budget projections and the details of the President’s funding requests for 2013.
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3635

Manufacturing jobs in the past have gone overseas but this article explains several reasons why the trend is reversing with jobs returning to this country.

6. Public policy and abundance. The federal government appears to be seizing the opportunity to promote job growth at home. In his State of the Union address, President Barack Obama kept his focus on the strategic importance of energy independence and maintained his commitment to an all-of-the-above energy strategy. This bodes well for new efforts to increase use of non-food raw materials to produce energy and chemicals.

The president's push for individual technology development centers in Youngstown, Ohio, and elsewhere marks a positive move.The idea was generated by the business community and borrows a page from efforts in China, where the government strategically places manufacturing sites in areas that need to be developed.

These policy initiatives, coupled with American abundance in natural resources such as water, agricultural products, timber,minerals and other materials, sets the U.S. at the epicenter of the next industrial and innovation revolution.

Moving to capitalize on these factors, DSM and ethanol giant Poet LLc formed Poet DSM Advanced Biofuels last year and are now building a facility in Emmetsburg, Iowa, which will have the capacity to produce 25 million gallons of cellulosic ethanol a year.The fuel will be made from  corn stover, the plant matter left over from growing corn, and does not compete with food or feed. Code-named Project Liberty, the facility and the dozens like it to follow will meaningfully contribute to energy independence and will create, in time, thousands of new American jobs that cannot be outsourced. Use of renewable feed stocks promises to deliver a new industrial revolution in America as we learn to live off the land once again and move away from hydrocarbons drilled out of the ground. It takes nature 10,000 years to produce energy from plants; DSM can do it in a week right here in the U.S.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/manufacturing-jobs-returning-to-america-2013-2#ixzz3NhzHAnH4

So called "conservatives" need to update their talking points to include current data. Why aren't "conservatives" more interested in conserving, conserving American jobs and conserving the environment?

KarlRove

KarlRove

not happenin'

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Why aren't "conservatives" more interested in conserving......

The conservatives you speak of are not at all for smaller government. They want to keep the big government programs they themselves favor (mostly related to supporting the Military Industrial Complex and subsidies for big business) at all costs, and shrink the big government programs favored by the left.

This is why you would never have seen any deficit-reduction under either a John McCain or Mitt Romney presidency.

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othershoe1030

othershoe1030

KarlRove wrote:not happenin'

What's not happening? Conservatives wanting to conserve? Too ironic. You folks need to change your name to something more representative of what you really stand for...any ideas? What would be appropriate? Please do tell us.

Sal

Sal

othershoe1030 wrote:
You folks need to change your name to something more representative of what you really stand for...any ideas? What would be appropriate? Please do tell us.

War & Greed Party?

KarlRove

KarlRove

Sal wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:
You folks need to change your name to something more representative of what you really stand for...any ideas? What would be appropriate? Please do tell us.

War & Greed Party?

Might apply to the current CINC who has bombed more nations than W and has authorized 4000+ sorties in Syria and Iraq lately with the number growing.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

KarlRove wrote:
Sal wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:
You folks need to change your name to something more representative of what you really stand for...any ideas? What would be appropriate? Please do tell us.

War & Greed Party?

Might apply to the current CINC who has bombed more nations than W and has authorized 4000+ sorties in Syria and Iraq lately with the number growing.

First you whimper and whine that Obama wasn't aggressive enough for you red blooded, pretend heroes, and now you whine he's too aggressive.

You're really a teacher? Unbelievable how low the standards have become to allow a nutcase like educate anyone!

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