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It only took 59 years for America to get it right about Cuba --

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KarlRove
2seaoat
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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

This country has a penchant for making belligerent stands in foreign policy, and then remaining with them even when they fail.

Think Drug Wars.

Think about sending zillions to tyrannical dictators who claim they're our friends -- at the cost of generating sheer hatred for us by the people our aid has helped to suffer.

Consider: Today we are trading partners with Red China and Vietnam -- former enemies whom we actually fought (Korea, Vietnam War).

Cuba's another matter. Sure we don't like Fidel's abusive and cruel regime -- but our policies and embargoes have accomplished zero, nada, zip, in damaging the Cuban leaders in the eyes of the Cuban people. What we have accomplished is to cause massive poverty among the people of one of our neighboring countries.

President Obama's spectacular move to create new relations with Cuba is a brilliant political move. Clearly, once trade opens between the U.S. and Cuba there will be more pressures than ever put on Cuba's leadership to make significant changes.

Obama's opening up travel to Cuba and will allow Cuban/Americans to send money home -- much of which will be used by Cubans to start small businesses.

Same as it happened in Red China.

I'm sure these positive foreign policy changes will be opposed by our resident "GI JOE" and our resident Curmudgeon -- both of whom still resent the fact we're borrowing from Red China, etc. As for me, I'd much rather make friends than war -- and virtually everytime we've opened trade with a potential enemy, it has proven positive to America.

Pacedog and Markle can't list a single incident where American belligerence and military threatening has paid off for the USA. Not one.

We don't need more enemies ... we surely have enough right now!

Screw Amerika Inc.!! Corporate control of our government through campaign financing.

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

Other than the release of prisoners, what did Cuba agree to do?

2seaoat



Other than the release of prisoners, what did Cuba agree to do?

What do you suggest they need to do?

Guest


Guest

Since they went with the crappy collectivist agenda and we're headed that way fast... we should get refugee reparations.

KarlRove

KarlRove

Maybe Obama's Presidential library and his future home will be there?

2seaoat



There are some theories which say in 2045-2065 there will be attempts to add PR and Cuba as the 51 and 52 states.

KarlRove

KarlRove

PR has always voted it down. They get all the benefits now without the hassle.

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:Other than the release of prisoners, what did Cuba agree to do?

What do you suggest they need to do?

How about what then candidate Barack Hussein Obama, promised?

"Obama also said he would up uphold the embargo imposed after the island went communist, to use as leverage until Cuba shows "significant steps toward democracy," starting with freedom for approximately 219 jailed political prisoners."


Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/12/02/20081202obama-cuba1202-ON.html#ixzz3MCyUqjif

Did semi-retired President Obama, get as much from Cuba as he did from President Putin when President Obama broke his promise to provide middle Europe with a missile defense system?

Oh...wait, that's right, President Obama got NOTHING from Putin either.


Markle

Markle

KarlRove wrote:Maybe Obama's Presidential library and his future home will be there?

Wordslinger would be thrilled! He could honor several of his messiah's at the same time.

It only took 59 years for America to get it right about Cuba -- AdolphHitlerandSocialist_zps33c21341

Vikingwoman



He got two prisoners freed. That more than good enough.

KarlRove

KarlRove

Markle wrote:
2seaoat wrote:Other than the release of prisoners, what did Cuba agree to do?

What do you suggest they need to do?

How about what then candidate Barack Hussein Obama, promised?

"Obama also said he would up uphold the embargo imposed after the island went communist, to use as leverage until Cuba shows "significant steps toward democracy," starting with freedom for approximately 219 jailed political prisoners."


Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/12/02/20081202obama-cuba1202-ON.html#ixzz3MCyUqjif

Did semi-retired President Obama, get as much from Cuba as he did from President Putin when President Obama broke his promise to provide middle Europe with a missile defense system?

Oh...wait, that's right, President Obama got NOTHING from Putin either.



Like when he traded 5 Taliban generals for a Sgt Berghdahl...LOL

Guest


Guest

Who was the idiot that thght he'd have a clue about international relations?

President Obama: On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it’s important for him to give me space.

President Medvedev: Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…

President Obama: This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.

President Medvedev: I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


Hitler was lying, just like you are, Markle.

Markle

Markle

Floridatexan wrote:
Hitler was lying, just like you are, Markle.  

Once again...Floridatexan SWINGS AND HE MISSES!

It only took 59 years for America to get it right about Cuba -- AnimatedLaughterPink

2seaoat



It is stunningly obvious that some people have not taken even high school economic courses. Opening up Cuba to American trade is a win/win for both countries. How stupid was losing 40 years of a key trading partner to prop up the misguided scardy cat concept of the Monolithic threat of Communism. It sure made great profits for MIC, but America lost huge economic contributions to our economy and a great market for our export products. Stupid is what stupid does......and finally an intelligent leader with balls gets past stupid. Oh and by the way Mr. Markle Mr. Putin's Ruble has lost almost half its value to the American dollar since the smart one put economic embargo on Russia, but a long term 40 year embargo on Russia is stone cold stupid. Eventually diplomacy and the huge upside of trade for economic growth will stymy stupid.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
KarlRove wrote:Maybe Obama's Presidential library and his future home will be there?

Wordslinger would be thrilled!  He could honor several of his messiah's at the same time.

It only took 59 years for America to get it right about Cuba -- AdolphHitlerandSocialist_zps33c21341

Please list all my messiah's, I have so many it's hard to keep track.

Start with Abraham Lincoln, Crazy Horse, Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky, Bernie Sanders ...

Unlike you, I'm able to focus on what's being said and remain unaffected by the speaker's reputation or politics. Hitler is just as disgusting to me as he is to most Americans -- I can't speak for you on that issue.

However, looking at the words he was using as pure propaganda to gain support for his Nazi party, I must say I agree with what you claim he said as you post it in this cliched photo. I too hate bloodsucking corporations that exploit the masses for maximum profits. I too am angered by a system which decimates the middle class, aggressively increases the rolls of the poor, as the rich here get richer and richer and richer.

Screw Amerika Inc.!! Corporate control of our government through campaign financing.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Joanimaroni wrote:Other than the release of prisoners, what did Cuba agree to do?

Our first Black President said in a speech about his Cuba intentions that he and Raul Castro had discussed the release of several of the political prisoners being held in Cuba, and Castro said he thought it could be done.

Just what are we giving up by opening relations and trade and travel with Cuba?

The 59-year old policy your whacko party still supports has had zero effect on changing Cuba's regime. Zero. Nada. Zip. What do we gain by continuing it?

Why do you resist opening trade and relations with Cuba, but you don't scream about our trade and relations with Vietnam or China?

I'm all ears . . .

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Joanimaroni wrote:Other than the release of prisoners, what did Cuba agree to do?

[...]

Why do you resist opening trade and relations with Cuba, but you don't scream about our trade and relations with Vietnam or China?

I'm all ears . . .

Of course you're not open to listening. The Castro Brothers are the epitome of your beloved economic and government system.

It only took 59 years for America to get it right about Cuba -- Socialismtoo-1

2seaoat



We would hate to do anything which was good for the American People when there are so many special interests who are unhappy with the priorities shifting from the welfare of the citizens of this nation to how the Oligarchy can steal the most......you use the word socialism to mask the robbery.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Of course you're not open to listening. The Castro Brothers are the epitome of your beloved economic and government system.

It looks like poster Markle is ready to join Marco Rubio on the wrong side of History.

The State of Florida and the Gulf Coast are going to benefit greatly from the restoration of diplomatic ties between the U.S. and Cuba. The opportunities for business are going to be vast, benefitting our own people, as well as the Cubans.

Sour grapes grumbling from the right on this issue will only make the right look like fools. Marco Rubio should try to hold up the confirmation of Obama's pick for Ambassador to Cuba. The President will then wait and make it a recess appointment, and showcase Republican tomfoolery that will not help Mr. Rubio's 2016 chances.

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2seaoat



It used to be the republican party was the party of American business and trade......now it is simply Dixiecrats and loonie tunes.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

2seaoat wrote:It used to be the republican party was the party of American business and trade......now it is simply  Dixiecrats and loonie tunes.


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