No dogs in Heaven.......

I had a debate with a bible scholar many years ago that dogs go to heaven and he was able to show me scripture that in fact dogs do not go to heaven. I have some problems to begin with the concept of heaven, but if this place has no dogs......well give me some more information on hell, and whether dogs are allowed.

Pope Francis has recently commented on this issue.
From the NY Times"

"In his remarks, as reported by Vatican Radio, Francis said of paradise: “It’s lovely to think of this, to think we will find ourselves up there. All of us in heaven. It’s good, it gives strength to our soul.“At the same time, the Holy Scripture teaches us that the fulfillment of this wonderful design also affects everything around us, and that came out of the thought and the heart of God.”

Also in the Times from an Italian newspaper:

"Italy’s Corriere della Sera newspaper, analyzing the pope’s remarks, concluded he believed animals have a place in the afterlife. It drew an analogy to comforting words that Pope Paul VI was said to have once told a distraught boy whose dog had died: “One day, we will see our animals again in the eternity of Christ. Paradise is open to all of God’s creatures.”

Then he showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb through the middle of the street of the city [the new Jerusalem]; also, on either side of the river, the Tree of Life... Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the Tree of Life and that they may enter the city by the gates. Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and fornicators and murderers and idolaters, and every one who loves and practices falsehood (Revelation 22:1-2, 14-15)
There you have it, in black and white! Even the Greek is clear: Outside are "the dogs" (kunes). The Heavenly Jerusalem has a sign, and it reads: "No Dogs allowed." So, for all you dog-lovers, sorry.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Dogs do not have an eternal soul, so no, they will not join us there. It is pleasant to think about how they might, however.

More soul than many humans I know. Animals certainly have emotion. Have you not seen a dog or a cat grieve over the loss of their humans or another pet in the house?

No soul?

Heaven doesn't sound as good without dogs... they may want to reconsider their business model.

No dogs and then how old will we be if we get there......Will we be the sick person lying on our death bed, or will we be a nine year old? How old will the other people be? You arrive and find out you are 20 years older than your father.....or mother?

Why does the bible put dogs with sorcerers and fornicators and murderers and idolaters, .....yea my dog lays around a lot, but she is not fornicating, has not murdered anybody, and maybe sneaks something she should not have.....but banned from heaven with her cohorts....pretty tough.

No dogs, but the good news is the streets in heaven are paved with gold so carry a shovel with you so you can get rich.

On the other hand don't bother with the shovel. If gold in heaven is as common as asphalt, it won't have any value.

Gold streets and promised virgins, and now no dogs........heaven is beginning to look like a concept with many flaws. At least I know that no pure bred dog owner who partakes in the torture of animals will be there......but to think of all the pain of those puppies......maybe the concept of hell does have some relevancy.

I have two pure bred huskies, but they're both rescues.

How much purgatory time am I looking at?


I just talked to the big guy, you get a go to heaven pass and can bring the dogs.

I have seen the effect of dogs when my MIL was in a nursing home....it brings the child out of all those broken people. A beautiful thing. I also believe that most dogs can sense things. What is funny now is that my pups sister is my daughter's dog. Well her FIL comes for thanksgiving and got to near the grandkids and the dog growled and took a protective position between him and the kids.......this is exactly what the german shepard had done before she passed. She would always growl at the FIL and did not like him anywhere near the kids. He just cannot figure out why the dogs disliked him. My wife asked him why he never takes the time to pet the dogs, and why he does not acknowledge them......he did not have an answer. Dogs are very perceptive.