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1Presidential veto Empty Presidential veto 11/8/2014, 7:20 pm

2seaoat



President Obama has only 2.........George H Bush had 44 in one term.

He has at least forty or so left in him during the next two years. President Obama Pouting.....hardly......that is him warming up with a pucker to kiss his veto on some nonsense coming his way.

2Presidential veto Empty Re: Presidential veto 11/8/2014, 8:37 pm

Guest


Guest

Obama was protected my Harry Reid not letting bills come up for a vote. That's the difference.

3Presidential veto Empty Re: Presidential veto 11/8/2014, 8:37 pm

Guest


Guest

Hard to veto bills the Senate Majority leader doesn't let make it to a vote.

4Presidential veto Empty Re: Presidential veto 11/8/2014, 10:52 pm

2seaoat



So what has changed?

5Presidential veto Empty Re: Presidential veto 11/9/2014, 3:46 am

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:So what has changed?

Presidential veto Harry_Reid

6Presidential veto Empty Re: Presidential veto 11/9/2014, 9:12 am

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Blind as usual to reality, PD and Herr Markle (our resident Nazi) both think republican ideas and ideals were powerfully endorsed by the latest electoral debacle.

The truth is, 63% of America's eligible voters rejected both parties, their candidates and their platforms.

What if they held an election and nobody came? What if they held a war and nobody came?

The revolution of the next generation of Americans just started. Both parties and the folks who own them should be truly frightened by that fact. And that's good for America!!

Screw Amerika Inc.!!


7Presidential veto Empty Re: Presidential veto 11/9/2014, 6:45 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


http://www.factcheck.org/2014/11/boehners-bipartisan-bunk/

Boehner’s ‘Bipartisan’ Bunk

Posted on November 7, 2014

House Speaker John Boehner exaggerates when he says “almost all” of the 46 “jobs bills” awaiting action in the Senate “passed the House on a bipartisan basis.” Exactly half of those bills got less than 20 Democratic votes, including two that got no votes and 12 others that got 10 or fewer votes. That’s out of 201 House Democrats.
Republicans, particularly House members, have been waging a #StuckInTheSenate campaign for months. They blame gridlock on Senate Democrats for failing to take up legislation passed by the House. The number of bills “sitting on Harry Reid’s desk,” as Republicans are fond of saying, varies from person to person, ranging from a low of 278 (Rep. Patrick Meehan) to a ballpark figure of 300-plus (Sen. Roy Blunt) to a high of 387 (Rep. Marsha Blackburn).
Now that the Republicans have won control the Senate, Boehner and other Republicans say the Senate will pass legislation that will get the country moving in the right direction. “We have a majority in the U.S. Senate, where we’ll move those 300 bills off Harry Reid’s desk finally and get a vote,” Sen.-elect David Perdue said on election night.
Bipartisan ‘Jobs Bills’?
We will get to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s cluttered desk in a minute, but let’s first deal with Boehner’s specific claim about the “46 jobs bills.” He made his statement on Nov. 6 during his weekly briefing with reporters (at about the 12 minute mark of the C-SPAN video).
Boehner, Nov. 6: [L]et’s take the 46 jobs bills that are sitting in the United States Senate that have been held up by the Democrat majority in the Senate. Almost all of those passed the House on a bipartisan basis. And I believe that almost all of them enjoy bipartisan support in the United States Senate.

Boehner has a very broad definition of “bipartisan.” He’s correct that almost all — 44 of the 46 — received at least 1 Democratic vote. But does that make a bill bipartisan?
Merriam-Webster defines “bipartisan” as cooperation and compromise between the two parties. It says bipartisan is “of, relating to, or involving members of two parties <a bipartisan commission>; specifically: marked by or involving cooperation, agreement, and compromise between two major political parties.”
Some high-profile examples of bipartisan legislation negotiated between the two parties during this period of gridlock would include:
The Budget Control Act of 2011, which passed in the House on Aug. 1, 2011 with 269 votes in favor — 174 from Republicans and 95 from Democrats. That law raised the debt ceiling by at least $2.1 trillion, capped discretionary spending to save nearly $1 trillion in 10 years, and created a bipartisan committee to find at least $1.5 trillion in additional cuts over 10 years, as the Congressional Research Service explained in an Aug. 19, 2011 report.
The American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012, the so-called the fiscal cliff deal, which passed the House 257-167 on Jan. 1, 2013 with 172 Democratic votes and 85 Republican votes. That bill extended the Bush-era tax cuts for most Americans, but raised taxes on the wealthiest Americans.
The Continuing Appropriations Act of 2014, which ended the partial government shutdown. That bill passed 285 to 144 on Oct. 16, 2013 with the support of 87 Republicans and 198 Democrats.
By contrast, Boehner’s list of 46 bills includes 23 — exactly half — that received votes from less than 20 of the 201 House Democrats:
Two bills got no Democratic votes, including the House Republican budget and an education bill that President Obama threatened to veto and the Chamber of Commerce opposed because it would have significantly reduced the role of the federal government in education.
Twelve other bills received 1 to 10 Democrat votes, including Rep. Tom Price’s bill to stop the IRS from implementing the Affordable Care Act (four Democratic votes) and Rep. Michele Bachmann’s bill to repeal the president’s health care law (two Democratic votes).
Nine other bills received less than 20 votes but more than 10, including another anti-Obamacare bill (18 Democratic votes) that the president threatened to veto because the Congressional Budget Office said the bill would increase the number of uninsured Americans by 500,000 and reduce the number of U.S. workers receiving employer-sponsored health care by 1 million. These nine bills also included a measure (19 Democratic votes) that would have approved the northern leg of the Keystone XL Pipeline — stripping Obama of his power to decide the fate of the controversial project.
Boehner can call these bills bipartisan, but they are not. In fact, the White House Office of Management and Budget issued veto threats in 2013 and 2014 for 28 of the 45 bills on Boehner’s list that would have required Obama’s signature (the budget resolution does not). The OMB also issued statements opposing all or parts of four other bills and calling for negotiations on a fifth.
It takes a two-thirds majority to override a presidential veto and all 33 of the bills that OMB objected to didn’t pass with veto-proof majorities in the House, so they likely would have gone nowhere even if the Republicans controlled the Senate — unless Republicans and the White House reached a compromise on true bipartisan bills.
We sent the list of 46 bills to Norm Ornstein, a congressional expert at the American Enterprise Institute, for his review. He told us that the “bipartisan game” is played by both parties.
“Both parties have played the ‘bipartisan’ game by picking off one or two strays from the other side and claiming the high ground, but it is a big stretch,” he said. “These are not bipartisan by any reasonable definition of the term. It may be an even bigger stretch to call most of those bills ‘jobs’ bills.”
Matthew J. Slaughter, a former member of George W. Bush’s Council of Economic Advisers, told the New York Times that some of the GOP bills on Boehner’s list may help, but they won’t create many jobs.
New York Times, Oct. 22: “Some of those things will help,” Matthew J. Slaughter, an economics professor at Dartmouth College, said after reviewing nearly four dozen measures that House Republicans have labeled “jobs bills.” He cited some business tax cuts, for example, even as he cautioned about the cost of such actions.

“But,” added Mr. Slaughter, who served on President George W. Bush’s Council of Economic Advisers, “it just struck me as sort of a compendium of modest expectations. If you ask me, ‘What’s your ballpark guess for how many jobs are going to be created?,’ it’s just not many.”

Harry Reid’s Cluttered Desk
We’d like to make a few points about the other bills on Harry Reid’s desk.
Despite Republican complaints that Reid is the cause of gridlock, the Washington Post in August did an analysis of the past 20 congressional terms and found that the number of House-approved bills awaiting action in the Senate this session isn’t that unusual.
“In 11 of the past 19 Congresses — more than half — more than 300 bills were waiting for Senate action by the time the Congress completed its work,” Philip Bump wrote.
In fact, as Washington Post Fact Checker Glenn Kessler noted, the biggest backlog occurred in the 110th Congress in 2007-2008, when the Senate failed to act on more than 700 bills. And that was when the Democrats controlled both chambers.
GovTrack — a nonpartisan website that tracks legislation — also did an analysis and found that the percentage of Senate bills being ignored by the House isn’t that much better. It found that the Senate has passed 124 House bills, or 26 percent of all House bills, while the House has passed 40 Senate bills, or 37 percent.
“I know 37 is bigger than 26, but in the big picture these numbers are actually pretty close. I wouldn’t read much into the difference,” writes Josh Tauberer, founder of GovTrack.
One last thing: the number of bills sitting on Harry Reid’s desk that will have an impact on the direction of the country is not as large as the Republicans declare.
As we mentioned, Republicans give different figures for the number of bills “collecting dust” but the one we have seen most frequently is 387.
Blackburn, a Tennessee Republican, used the 387 figure on CBS’ “Face the Nation” on Oct. 19, when asked about the problem of congressional gridlock.
Blackburn, Oct. 19: Yes, you know, I think that what you have in the House is bipartisan frustration with Harry Reid in the Senate. You know, we have 387 House-passed bills, 98 percent of them bipartisan, 298 of those bills veto-proof. And they’re sitting on Harry Reid’s desk.

And we find it very frustrating that the Senate has not been able to get the work done. We wish they would come back and that they would do that. It would help the country and it would get some things passed that need to be passed.

In a Nov. 3 op-ed, Republican Rep. Richard Hudson of North Carolina wrote: “My colleagues and I have advanced countless solutions to grow our economy and create jobs, but 387 House-passed bills remain collecting dust on Sen. Harry Reid’s desk.”
Blackburn’s office referred us to a list of 387 bills on House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy’s website. There are indeed 387 bills and resolutions on the list, but it is safe to say that that number is inflated.
The list contains dozens of ceremonial or parochial bills — including 31 bills to name or rename post offices or federal buildings, at least nine bills to authorize a study, such as whether Mill Springs Battlefield in Kentucky should be included in the National Park System, and at least 13 that deal with federal land (transferring or exchanging, or expanding boundaries, for example). There are also two bills to strike commemorative coins, and a third to award a gold medal to golfer Jack Nicklaus.
We also found 21 bills that actually became law through other vehicles, including 10 appropriations bills that became part of the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2014.
The list also contains five concurrent resolutions, which are nonbinding and do not go to the president, and two bills (HR 4250 and HR 5161) that had Senate-approved versions waiting for action in the House.
We spent way too much time poring through the list, but the examples above add up to 84 bills and resolutions that either shouldn’t be on the list or would have little or no impact on the course of the nation.
We do not doubt that some of the 387 bills on McCarthy’s list are substantive and that some of the 46 bills on Boehner’s list may help the economy. But any suggestion that there are 387 bills being ignored that could “grow our economy” or even would “help the country” is an exaggeration, and so is the speaker’s statement that “almost all” of the 46 “jobs bills” are bipartisan.

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8Presidential veto Empty Re: Presidential veto 11/9/2014, 7:52 pm

knothead

knothead

Very informative and it was useful info so thanks for making the effort to post!

9Presidential veto Empty Re: Presidential veto 11/9/2014, 8:29 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

knothead wrote:Very informative and it was useful info so thanks for making the effort to post!

And here I thought I was just spamming Seaoat's post... Wink. This is the best recap of the subject I've found. Going into the new Congress, facts like these really do matter. I wonder how the Benghazi hearings are going. Ditto the lawsuit and impeachment proceedings. I'm so sick and tired of the lies.

10Presidential veto Empty Re: Presidential veto 11/9/2014, 8:45 pm

2seaoat



The President now plays the role of underdog for the first time in his two terms, and the more that they attempt to pile on, the more opportunities to remind them who is President. There is a way for the Republicans to win, and that is to pass true bipartisan bills. I would start by John releasing the senate immigration bill to the house........but that would take intelligence, and a sense of history......instead they will crow impeachment, pass nonsense which the president will veto, and before you know it we are at 2016 where the structural advantages are with the Democratic Party.

11Presidential veto Empty Re: Presidential veto 11/9/2014, 10:06 pm

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

2seaoat wrote:The President now plays the role of underdog for the first time in his two terms, and the more that they attempt to pile on, the more opportunities to remind them who is President.   There is a way for the Republicans to win, and that is to pass true bipartisan bills.   I would start by John releasing the senate immigration bill to the house........but that would take intelligence, and a sense of history......instead they will crow impeachment, pass nonsense which the president will veto, and before you know it we are at 2016 where the structural advantages are with the Democratic Party.

That is how things may turn out, unfortunately.

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12Presidential veto Empty Re: Presidential veto 11/9/2014, 11:08 pm

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Guest

I'm more interested in his executive orders than what he signs... although a keystone bill might get tricky for him.

13Presidential veto Empty Re: Presidential veto 11/9/2014, 11:15 pm

2seaoat



Stopping the Keystone pipeline is silly. The first leg was built and working fine. I drove by a pipeline crew last week when I went to Sycamore Illinois and they were making a repair under a road and adjacent to a low swampy area near a school. They fly over these pipelines weekly and if they see any change in vegetation or any shifting they send out the crews. I could see making an argument about keeping the rail jobs, but a pipeline is much safer for the environment. It would be funny if they were expanding and doubling up on the first leg of the pipeline and bringing the oil to a river terminal to be shipped by barge to TX.

14Presidential veto Empty Re: Presidential veto 11/10/2014, 12:17 am

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote: Blind as usual to reality, PD and Herr Markle (our resident Nazi) both think republican ideas and ideals were powerfully endorsed by the latest electoral debacle.

The truth is, 63% of America's eligible voters rejected both parties, their candidates and their platforms.
 


What if they held an election and nobody came? What if they held a war and nobody came?

The revolution of the next generation of Americans just started.  Both parties and the folks who own them should be truly frightened by that fact.  And that's good for America!!  

Screw Amerika Inc.!!

Both you and 2seaoat have become one and the same. Utterly bitter and angry. Wherever you got the notion that Republicans believe the election was about their policy is a fragment of your imagination. As you well know, semi-retired President Obama's massive ego wouldn't allow himself to NOT be on the ballot. It was a resounding rejection of the economy and government you so love.

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15Presidential veto Empty Re: Presidential veto 11/10/2014, 12:37 am

2seaoat



Utterly bitter and angry.

About what? If you think the election would get me angry, then why did I predict it correctly a year ago? I do like the propaganda angle. By painting all those who do not see a thing changing in the big picture as angry, you hope you can create with illusion which will not be accomplished by legislation. There was nothing to get angry about with this midterm. The landslide did not happen as I predicted, and no legislation will become law without it being good for the American people. Now as I said in another thread, I would become angry if Ted Cruz became President of the United States. However, angry over a mid term I nailed in my predictions......pretty silly, but your propaganda trying to make folks angry is amusing......and bitter.......the only person who was ever bitter on this forum was yourself when the President won twice......and you continually prove the same.

16Presidential veto Empty Re: Presidential veto 11/10/2014, 1:35 am

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

.......the only person who was ever bitter on this forum was yourself when the President won twice......and you continually prove the same.

You nailed it!

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17Presidential veto Empty Re: Presidential veto 11/10/2014, 1:48 am

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:Utterly bitter and angry.

About what?   If you think the election would get me angry, then why did I predict it correctly a year ago?   I do like the propaganda angle.  By painting all those who do not see a thing changing in the big picture as angry, you hope you can create with illusion which will not be accomplished by legislation.   There was nothing to get angry about with this midterm.  The landslide did not happen as I predicted, and no legislation will become law without it being good for the American people.   Now as I said in another thread, I would become angry if Ted Cruz became President of the United States.   However, angry over a mid term I nailed in my predictions......pretty silly, but your propaganda trying to make folks angry is amusing......and bitter.......the only person who was ever bitter on this forum was yourself when the President won twice......and you continually prove the same.

Again...2seaoat looks back and sees things that never happened...not surprising.

Even Democrats accept this as a Landslide of unprecedented proportions.

Here's what you, and the your mass media said about the election just a couple months ago.

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is there anything elected Republicans can do that is too extreme or incompetent for their own base?—the answer may at last be “Yes.”

The landslide midterms is not materializing. This is the most shocking news in eight years in politics, and do you notice the mainstream media is not talking about how sure thing races have actually become races......America is waking up and Mr. Markle's world of deception is beginning to collapse. Americans are figuring the game is rigged, and who the riggers are.

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