We set the stage for ISIS

With our "crusades" (quoting Dubya) we set the stage for ISIS.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/25941-how-the-us-made-isis-their-videos-and-ours-their-caliphate-and-ours

No,
Not finishing the job of training up the army and being hell bent on withdrawing consequences be damned is what got us here. There was no ISiS when "W" was CINC. This group came about when BHO released their leader from prison. Had Al Baghdadi still been locked up, this group doesn't get formed.

There is your freakin reality jockstrapslinger

But the narrative solidifies in 2005, when he was captured by American forces and spent the next four years a prisoner in the Bucca Camp in southern Iraq. It was from his time there that the first known picture of Baghdadi emerged. And it’s also there, reports Al-Monitor, that he possibly met and trained with key al-Qaeda fighters.

He gained enough respect that by 2010, after several leaders of the insurgent group al-Qaeda in Iraq were killed, he assumed control of it. At that time, the power of the Islamist militancy in Iraq was at its lowest ebb, and the number of killings had plunged. The Sunni rebellion, which it had once spearheaded, was on the verge of collapse.

So had Obama not let this twerp get
Released there would be no ISIS.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jun/19/jeanine-pirro/foxs-pirro-obama-set-isis-leader-free-2009/

Fox's Pirro: Obama set ISIS leader free in 2009

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The march of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, across a swath of Iraq has fractured a nation and spurred Republican attacks that the Obama administration is on the verge of "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory."
Fox News host Jeanine Pirro tied President Barack Obama to the roots of the current assault. On June 14, Pirro offered listeners this insight into the ISIS leader. (ISIS is also called ISIL, for Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.)
"The head of this band of savages is a man named Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, the new Osama Bin Laden," Pirro said. "A man released by Obama in 2009, who started ISIS a year later. And when Baghdadi left Camp Bucca, where the worst of the worst were held in Iraq, he threatened his American jailers saying, ‘I’ll see you in New York.’ "

I did convoys to Bucca back mid war timeframe from Kuwait. There were a lot of bad dudes there.

thank you for proving my premise -- Dubya set guys like you loose to arrest, torture and oppress Iraqis -- creating enemies where none had existed. You already admitted a little torture of a captive was "productive."

Again, thanks for proving my point -- our unnecessary, expensive and bloody invasion of Iraq set the stage for Isis to be successful

Good job!!

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:thank you for proving my premise -- Dubya set guys like you loose to arrest, torture and oppress Iraqis -- creating enemies where none had existed.  You already admitted a little torture of a captive was "productive."

Again, thanks for proving my point -- our unnecessary, expensive and bloody invasion of Iraq set the stage for Isis to be successful

Good job!!

Yes it was. Had we never invaded Iraq, there would be no Al Qaida in Iraq and no ISIS.

But, The Decider decided to invade Iraq anyway.

I don't believe that....

http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing3/witness_yaphe.htm

by Sal Today at 7:27 pm
Saddam dealt with extremists and jihadis rather harshly.
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Yes he did and he made us look like kindergarten teachers by what he did.

The dirka dirkas were
Going to congregate somewhere and pick a fight for us to follow through with.....

PACEDOG#1 wrote:by Sal Today at 7:27 pm
Saddam dealt with extremists and jihadis rather harshly.
------
Yes he did and he made us look like kindergarten teachers by what he did.

Too bad we had to interfere!!!

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/09/the-co-chair-of-the-congressional-inquiry-into-911-and-former-head-of-the-senate-intelligence-committee-calls-for-a-new-911-investigation.html

Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry Into 9/11 – and Former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee – Calls for a New 9/11 Investigation
Posted on September 13, 2011 by WashingtonsBlog

The Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Bob Graham, previously stated that an FBI informant had hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House (confirmed here).

Today, Graham called for a new 9/11 investigation. As Raw Story notes:

Graham on Monday called on the U.S. government to reopen its investigation into 9/11 after a report found that links between Saudi Arabia and the hijackers were never disclosed by the FBI to the 2002 joint Congressional intelligence committee investigating the attacks.

“In the final report of the congressional inquiry, there was a chapter related primarily to the Saudi role in 9/11 that was totally censored, every word of the chapter has been withheld from the public,” Graham said on MSNBC’s The Dylan Ratigan Show.

“Some of the other questions we ought to be asking are if we know that the Saudis who lived in San Diego and now apparently in Sarasota received substantial assistance, what about the Saudis who lived in Phoenix, Arizona? Or Arlington, Virginia? … What was happening in those places?”

“I believe these are questions for which there are definitive answers, but the American people and largely their elected representatives have been denied that information.”

Many other 9/11 Commissioners and congressmen have called for a new investigation, including:

For example:

9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .” He also says that it might take “a permanent 9/11 commission” to end the remaining mysteries of September 11
9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue
9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”
Senator Mike Gravel – who was the main congressman responsible for making the Pentagon Papers public – calls for a new 9/11 investigation
Congressman Ron Paul calls for a new 9/11 investigation and states that “we see the [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on”
Congressman Dennis Kucinich wants a new investigation
Congressman Jason Chafetz says that we need to be vigilant and continue to investigate 9/11
Senator Lincoln Chaffee endorses a new investigation
Congressman Dan Hamburg wants a new investigation
In addition,many high-level military and intelligence officials have called for a new investigation, including:

Daniel Ellsberg has called for a new investigation
U.S. General, Commanding General of U.S. European Command and Supreme Allied Commander Europe, decorated with the Bronze Star, Silver Star, and Purple Heart (General Wesley Clark) said “We’ve never finished the investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration actually misused the intelligence information it had. The evidence seems pretty clear to me. I’ve seen that for a long time”
Former Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter (Morton Goulder), former Deputy Director to the White House Task Force on Terrorism (Edward L. Peck), and former US Department of State Foreign Service Officer (J. Michael Springmann), as well as a who’s who of liberals and independents) jointly call for a new investigation into 9/11
And numerous high-level judges, legal professors and trial lawyers call for a new investigation. See this and this.

Wordslinger wrote:

PACEDOG#1 wrote:by Sal Today at 7:27 pm
Saddam dealt with extremists and jihadis rather harshly.
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Yes he did and he made us look like kindergarten teachers by what he did.

Too bad we had to interfere!!!

You really should address your concerns to your beloved United Nations.

http://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/22/whos-blame-islamic-state-crisis-iraq-263923.html

nadalfan wrote:http://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/22/whos-blame-islamic-state-crisis-iraq-263923.html

Thanks for posting this link -- accurate analysis and it corroborates the premise that our (idiotic) political maneuvering in Iraq set the stage for ISIS to form.

Markle wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:

PACEDOG#1 wrote:by Sal Today at 7:27 pm
Saddam dealt with extremists and jihadis rather harshly.
------
Yes he did and he made us look like kindergarten teachers by what he did.

Too bad we had to interfere!!!

You really should address your concerns to your beloved United Nations.

For someone who so predictably and often posts total bullshit as "fact," and who has no credibility in this forum, it would be stupid to take your advice on anything.

And, by the way, the subject of ISIS and it's genocidal actions has already prompted discussion by the U.N.

See the following link for more proof that your idol Dubya set the stage for Isis to form: http://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/22/whos-blame-islamic-state-crisis-iraq-263923.html

Poor wordslinger ....
He just doesn't get it

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Poor wordslinger ....
He just doesn't get it

Did you read the Newsweek article? Not sure what Wordslinger doesn't get. What is inaccurate?


Also, you said "This group came about when BHO released their leader from prison. Had Al Baghdadi still been locked up, this group doesn't get formed".

He was actually released due to an agreement that Bush signed in 2008. So, do you agree that it was Bush's fault? You even posted the politifact link that says your claims are false. WTH?