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EPA targets couple's private pond, you knew it was coming

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http://video.foxnews.com/v/3579233514001/epa-targets-couples-private-pond/?intcmp=obnetwork#sp=show-clips

So the federal gov is coming after these people for building a pond on their own property, and the pond was designed and permitted by the state engineers office.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

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EPA targets couple's private pond, you knew it was coming Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQzO9EabHQiTcHnANLIfaPLMj3MemprcSZf_bYsWSOkCYNXcMEi

Looks like the current administration is looking to push around the more independent peoples who have wealth, namely family farms and ranches, simply because they can.

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Joanimaroni

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Tax each and every damn fish in that pond and make the owners buy a fresh water license.

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Damaged Eagle wrote:EPA targets couple's private pond, you knew it was coming Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQzO9EabHQiTcHnANLIfaPLMj3MemprcSZf_bYsWSOkCYNXcMEi

Looks like the current administration is looking to push around the more independent peoples who have wealth, namely family farms and ranches, simply because they can.

*****SMILE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGUOSz-rTn4

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It does appear they are targeting farmers and the like. All the while announcing to us that food prices are going to jump. must make them giddy to think they might get another food stamp voter or two out of the harassment and suffering of hard working productive citizens. These gov agencies have gotten so big they have to keep allotting themselves more power to justify their positions and they no longer function properly other than terrorizing working citizens one way or the other.

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Joanimaroni wrote:Tax each and every damn fish in that pond and make the owners buy a fresh water license.

lol

They really want to do that. You know they do.

ZVUGKTUBM

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I don't see how they could be charged with a Clean Water Act violation if they are not discharging anything to the water. If they went through the permit process, they should be good to go. Unless of course, they failed to consult with the federal side of things when they went through the permit process. The Corps of Engineers and EPA should have been at least consulted when they did this. You don't own any creeks flowing through your property; they are "waters of the state." And if these flow into navigable rivers, the waters fall under the jurisdiction of the Feds.

A knowledgeable lawyer could have helped them navigate through all of this. Smart people cover all bases before proceeding with projects like theirs.

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Chrissy wrote:
Damaged Eagle wrote:

Looks like the current administration is looking to push around the more independent peoples who have wealth, namely family farms and ranches, simply because they can.

*****SMILE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGUOSz-rTn4

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It does appear they are targeting farmers and the like. All the while announcing to us that food prices are going to jump. must make them giddy to think they might get another food stamp voter or two out of the harassment and suffering of hard working productive citizens. These gov agencies have gotten so big they have to keep allotting themselves more power to justify their positions and they no longer function properly other than terrorizing working citizens one way or the other.

EPA targets couple's private pond, you knew it was coming Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRwT0ePtZM_Rgvo0xXCbdpB17qNhxa3ydN-Gh1P3kwznyRyO6VrEw

You have to remember the liberal mentality.

They can do things so much more efficiently... especially if they have lots of money to throw at it. Taking over the farming and ranching industry is a natural step for controlling the resources through governmental overreach as they make bread prices jump to $20 a loaf.

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Damaged Eagle wrote:
Chrissy wrote:
Damaged Eagle wrote:

Looks like the current administration is looking to push around the more independent peoples who have wealth, namely family farms and ranches, simply because they can.

*****SMILE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGUOSz-rTn4

 Smile 

It does appear they are targeting farmers and the like. All the while announcing to us that food prices are going to jump. must make them giddy to think they might get another food stamp voter or two out of the harassment and suffering of hard working productive citizens. These gov agencies have gotten so big they have to keep allotting themselves more power to justify their positions and they no longer function properly other than terrorizing working citizens one way or the other.

EPA targets couple's private pond, you knew it was coming Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRwT0ePtZM_Rgvo0xXCbdpB17qNhxa3ydN-Gh1P3kwznyRyO6VrEw

You have to remember the liberal mentality.

They can do things so much more efficiently... especially if they have lots of money to throw at it. Taking over the farming and ranching industry is a natural step for controlling the resources through governmental overreach as they make bread prices jump to $20 a loaf.

*****SMILE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmNKspKUaTQ

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Oh yes, good point. I see the pattern.

Floridatexan

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http://burningbird.net/fox-falls-all-over-itself-condemn-epaagain

update March 22

A story in a local news station provides both video and photos of the "little pond".

That's no pond, it's a bloody lake. It has a dock. A dock.

This is a contrived controversy.

Earlier coverage

Fox just published a story about a poor blue collar in Wyoming, threatened with horrific fines for building an environmentally friendly little pond on his land.

Wyoming welder faces $75,000 a day in EPA fines for building pond on his property goes the headline, and I'm sure the folks at Pacific Legal Foundation are on a plane, right now, racing to the location in order to represent the family in a lawsuit against the EPA.

According to Fox:

All Andy Johnson wanted to do was build a stock pond on his sprawling eight-acre Wyoming farm. He and his wife Katie spent hours constructing it, filling it with crystal-clear water, and bringing in brook and brown trout, ducks and geese. It was a place where his horses could drink and graze, and a private playground for his three children.

But instead of enjoying the fruits of his labor, the Wyoming welder says he was harangued by the federal government, stuck in what he calls a petty power play by the Environmental Protection Agency. He claims the agency is now threatening him with civil and criminal penalties – including the threat of a $75,000-a-day fine.

That EPA...what a bully. Poor man was only building a little pond, providing water for local wildlife and a place for the kiddies to play.

The only problem is the story is as much fiction as fact. Two minutes is all it took to locate the EPA letter of violation. And the letter tells a different story.

According to the letter, the Army Corps of Engineers knew about this "little pond" in 2012 and contacted the Johnsons. From the violation:

On October 11,2012, the United States Army Corps of Engineers (Corps) conducted an inspection of the Site and confirmed that Respondent or persons acting on his behalf had discharged or allowed the discharge of approximately 12 cubic yards of dredged and fill material below the ordinary high water mark of Six Mile Creek during construction of a dam. The work resulted in filling an approximately 40-foot reach of the creek and inundation of an approximately 745-foot reach.

Dumping 12 cubic yards of fill material into a creek is what we call a "dam" back where I come from. Perhaps they call it something else in Wyoming.

The Corps contacted Johnson several times but received no response back. It turned the case over to the EPA for enforcement.

On May 30,2013, the EPA performed an inspection of the Site and verified that an approximately 40-foot reach of Six Mile Creek had been filled during the construction of a dam, impacting approximately 785 feet of the Six Mile Creek channel. The dam was observed to be composed of sand, gravel, clay, and concrete blocks.

I suspect that the Johnsons effort to fill the pond with "crystal clear waters" consisted primarily of running a backhoe in and dumping cement blocks on the creek.

The EPA also invited Johnson to contact its representatives, multiple times, but he ignored all communications. Eventually, the EPA issued the letter with the violation notice. Now Johnson is crying to his Republican Congressional leaders and Fox news about the sudden appearance of the big bad EPA, dumping down on this poor little land owner.

There's a reason for laws preventing people from damming water sources such as creeks and rivers on their property—their actions impact on others. I suspect the Army Corps of Engineers found out about the "little pond" when impacted neighbors complained.

And once again, Fox has failed to do its job in its haste to cast the EPA in the worst possible light.

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Floridatexan wrote:
http://burningbird.net/fox-falls-all-over-itself-condemn-epaagain

update March 22

A story in a local news station provides both video and photos of the "little pond".

That's no pond, it's a bloody lake. It has a dock. A dock.

This is a contrived controversy.

Earlier coverage

Fox just published a story about a poor blue collar in Wyoming, threatened with horrific fines for building an environmentally friendly little pond on his land.

Wyoming welder faces $75,000 a day in EPA fines for building pond on his property goes the headline, and I'm sure the folks at Pacific Legal Foundation are on a plane, right now, racing to the location in order to represent the family in a lawsuit against the EPA.

According to Fox:

All Andy Johnson wanted to do was build a stock pond on his sprawling eight-acre Wyoming farm. He and his wife Katie spent hours constructing it, filling it with crystal-clear water, and bringing in brook and brown trout, ducks and geese. It was a place where his horses could drink and graze, and a private playground for his three children.

But instead of enjoying the fruits of his labor, the Wyoming welder says he was harangued by the federal government, stuck in what he calls a petty power play by the Environmental Protection Agency. He claims the agency is now threatening him with civil and criminal penalties – including the threat of a $75,000-a-day fine.

That EPA...what a bully. Poor man was only building a little pond, providing water for local wildlife and a place for the kiddies to play.

The only problem is the story is as much fiction as fact. Two minutes is all it took to locate the EPA letter of violation. And the letter tells a different story.

According to the letter, the Army Corps of Engineers knew about this "little pond" in 2012 and contacted the Johnsons. From the violation:

On October 11,2012, the United States Army Corps of Engineers (Corps) conducted an inspection of the Site and confirmed that Respondent or persons acting on his behalf had discharged or allowed the discharge of approximately 12 cubic yards of dredged and fill material below the ordinary high water mark of Six Mile Creek during construction of a dam. The work resulted in filling an approximately 40-foot reach of the creek and inundation of an approximately 745-foot reach.

Dumping 12 cubic yards of fill material into a creek is what we call a "dam" back where I come from. Perhaps they call it something else in Wyoming.

The Corps contacted Johnson several times but received no response back. It turned the case over to the EPA for enforcement.

On May 30,2013, the EPA performed an inspection of the Site and verified that an approximately 40-foot reach of Six Mile Creek had been filled during the construction of a dam, impacting approximately 785 feet of the Six Mile Creek channel. The dam was observed to be composed of sand, gravel, clay, and concrete blocks.

I suspect that the Johnsons effort to fill the pond with "crystal clear waters" consisted primarily of running a backhoe in and dumping cement blocks on the creek.

The EPA also invited Johnson to contact its representatives, multiple times, but he ignored all communications. Eventually, the EPA issued the letter with the violation notice. Now Johnson is crying to his Republican Congressional leaders and Fox news about the sudden appearance of the big bad EPA, dumping down on this poor little land owner.

There's a reason for laws preventing people from damming water sources such as creeks and rivers on their property—their actions impact on others. I suspect the Army Corps of Engineers found out about the "little pond" when impacted neighbors complained.

And once again, Fox has failed to do its job in its haste to cast the EPA in the worst possible light.

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What a crock of shit. You will buy anything as long as it supports your beloved GOV.

The EPA laws changed recently with the addition of THOUSANDS of new regulations. o surprise here from the nanny state we live in.

To make it short. ITS OVER REACHING. A pond that is SAFE and CLEAN that the EPA hasn't even tested runs into a teeny stream that runs into another teeny stream that runs into another teeny stream that eventually runs to a lake. < that scenario is impossible to avoid with the new EPA laws and that's exactly what they wanted. ABSOLUTE power over private property.

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