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Botched execution....blah blah blah so what.....did he care about his victims to give them a good death?

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Wordslinger
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http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/oklahoma-inmate-dies-after-execution-is-botched

Executions SHOULD be heinous. It might persuade others that this might be their fate as well. Good riddance.

Sal

Sal

PACEDOG#1 wrote:http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/oklahoma-inmate-dies-after-execution-is-botched

Executions SHOULD be heinous. It might persuade others that this might be their fate as well. Good riddance.

So we should lower ourselves to the level of killers and child rapists?

Those are some mighty high Christian standards you have.

What a ghoul.

QueenOfHearts

QueenOfHearts

How do you punish someone for murder by murdering them? Capital punishment is not a deterrent and it cost more than keeping them incarcerated for life.

Sal

Sal

From this day forward, I no longer shall tinker with the machinery of death. For more than 20 years I have endeavored–indeed, I have struggled–along with a majority of this Court, to develop procedural and substantive rules that would lend more than the mere appearance of fairness to the death penalty endeavor. Rather than continue to coddle the Court’s delusion that the desired level of fairness has been achieved and the need for regulation eviscerated, I feel morally and intellectually obligated simply to concede that the death penalty experiment has failed. It is virtually self evident to me now that no combination of procedural rules or substantive regulations ever can save the death penalty from its inherent constitutional deficiencies. [...] The problem is that the inevitability of factual, legal, and moral error gives us a system that we know must wrongly kill some defendants, a system that fails to deliver the fair, consistent, and reliable sentences of death required by the Constitution.

Justice Harry Blackmun

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Sal wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/oklahoma-inmate-dies-after-execution-is-botched

Executions SHOULD be heinous. It might persuade others that this might be their fate as well. Good riddance.

So we should lower ourselves to the level of killers and child rapists?

Those are some mighty high Christian standards you have.

What a ghoul.  

Hmmm....do you think hell is going to be a nice place?

Guest


Guest

QueenOfHearts wrote:How do you punish someone for murder by murdering them?  Capital punishment is not a deterrent and it cost more than keeping them incarcerated for life.
 
It only costs more because we have a BS system in place that gives MILLIONS of appeals. IN this day and age of DNA, we KNOW when we have the right person. When perps know that they have 30 more years to live after getting convicted, there is no sense of punishment.

QueenOfHearts

QueenOfHearts

PACEDOG#1 wrote:
QueenOfHearts wrote:How do you punish someone for murder by murdering them?  Capital punishment is not a deterrent and it cost more than keeping them incarcerated for life.
 
It only costs more because we have a BS system in place that gives MILLIONS of appeals. IN this day and age of DNA, we KNOW when we have the right person. When perps know that they have 30 more years to live after getting convicted, there is no sense of punishment.

If it wasn't for our "BS system" quite a few innocent men would have been executed. Look at all the death row inmates who have been exonerated due to modern technology.

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Guest

weigh the average.

how many criminals have been put back on the street to kill again? too many

there are numerous cases where it is absolute FACT these people have done heinous crimes.

I blame red tape put in place by unicorn loving liberals as to why the cost is so high. when we know with absolute fact, BAM.. the fuckers need to be dead. simple as that.


Guest


Guest

QueenOfHearts wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:
QueenOfHearts wrote:How do you punish someone for murder by murdering them?  Capital punishment is not a deterrent and it cost more than keeping them incarcerated for life.
 
It only costs more because we have a BS system in place that gives MILLIONS of appeals. IN this day and age of DNA, we KNOW when we have the right person. When perps know that they have 30 more years to live after getting convicted, there is no sense of punishment.

If it wasn't for our "BS system" quite a few innocent men would have been executed.  Look at all the death row inmates who have been exonerated due to modern technology.
I'm well aware of it. There is a thing called the Innocence Project that exonerates with the use of DNA today. They have reviewed this fukkers case and he is GUILTY. Good riddance. There are no mistakes today. DNA evidence is fool-proof.

2seaoat



It only costs more because we have a BS system in place that gives MILLIONS of appeals. IN this day and age of DNA, we KNOW when we have the right person. When perps know that they have 30 more years to live after getting convicted, there is no sense of punishment.

You really have not been paying attention.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Black murderers of white girls should be flayed alive and then boiled slowly on FOX news with Glenn Beck narrating.

It makes sense that Pacedog and his kind -- you know, the ones who talk tough but never seem to get their hands wet -- cheer the idea of the State murdering citizens (even those convicted of murder) as a warning to those who contemplate killing somebody.

It matters not to Pacedog that the fear of being put to death by the State did not in the least deter the victim of yesterday's botched execution.

But then again, what can you expect from a redneck lowlife who expects others to do all his thinking?

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:Black murderers of white girls should be flayed alive and then boiled slowly on FOX news with Glenn Beck narrating.

It makes sense that Pacedog and his kind -- you know, the ones who talk tough but never seem to get their hands wet -- cheer the idea of the State murdering citizens (even those convicted of murder) as a warning to those who contemplate killing somebody.  

It matters not to Pacedog that the fear of being put to death by the State did not in the least deter the victim of yesterday's botched execution.

But then again, what can you expect from a redneck lowlife who expects others to do all his thinking?

Botched execution....blah blah blah so what.....did he care about his victims to give them a good death? DeathPenaltyChart
But as you know, death sentences do deter other murders.

Guest


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100 percent of executed murderers never kill again- FACT

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by Wordslinger Yesterday at 7:19 pm
Black murderers of white girls should be flayed alive and then boiled slowly on FOX news with Glenn Beck narrating.

It makes sense that Pacedog and his kind -- you know, the ones who talk tough but never seem to get their hands wet -- cheer the idea of the State murdering citizens (even those convicted of murder) as a warning to those who contemplate killing somebody.
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What would you know about any wet work?

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http://m.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/04/30/why-were-the-two-inmates-in-oklahoma-on-death-row-in-the-first-place/

Almost 15 years ago,on June 3,1999,Clayton Lockett,23,Shawn Mathis,26,and Alfonzo LaRon Veasey Lockett,17,planned on robbing Bobby Lee Bornt,23,at his house in Perry,Okla.

They tied up Bornt and beat him. Bornt’s nine-month-old son was present.

Stephanie Neiman,18,was dropping off her friend Summer Bradshaw at that house,and Lockett and his accomplices tried to take the keys to her new Chevy truck. Neiman,who graduated from high school only two weeks earlier,fought back,and the men covered her mouth with duct tape and beat and sexually assualted her. They also covered her 18-year-old friend’s mouth with duct tape,and beat and sexually assaulted her. Both were abducted,along with Bornt and his son. Lockett and his accomplices drove the four people they kidnapped west of Ponca City. Lockett asked Neiman if she planned to call the police. She would not say no, and Mathis spent 20 minutes digging a grave over which Lockett shot Neiman twice with a sawed-off 12-gauge shotgun, the three other victims later told authorities.

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Botched execution....blah blah blah so what.....did he care about his victims to give them a good death? Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRx3eOv9oQsymRWNsI_reBXE-cEuh8PQuLK92HQjJH3I4ojkubN5A

If it can be proven conclusively and beyond a shadow of a doubt that the criminal did a heinous crime. No appeals. Take the son of a bitch behind the courthouse and a quick bullet to the brainpan.

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Sal

Sal

I don't think that proponents of the death penalty care a whit if innocent people are wrongly convicted and executed.

That's just the price of doing business.

But, it's also a product of the fact that they and no one they know has even the remotest chance of being erroneously convicted of a capital crime.

That's just one of many problems with our system of justice.


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Guest

Uh Sal, In the years previous to DNA testing there were errors, but not now sorry.

Sal

Sal

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Uh Sal, In the years previous to DNA testing there were errors, but not now sorry.

As usual, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Guest


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Actually, I do. My students study the Innocence Project and write about it after watching video and doing research .

Sal

Sal

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Actually, I do. My students study the Innocence Project and write about it after watching video and doing research .

And, yet you make this statement ....

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Uh Sal, In the years previous to DNA testing there were errors, but not now sorry.

That's just fucking scary, is what that is.

Guest


Guest

Well DNA has released many innocent men as well as convicting them.

dumpcare



I say if a person is rightfully convicted with DNA evidence, maybe one appeal within 6 months, if they lose a quick death within a day of losing by firing squad, none of this legal injection shit. No sense in keeping them around any longer and a waste of money.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

PkrBum wrote:http://m.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/04/30/why-were-the-two-inmates-in-oklahoma-on-death-row-in-the-first-place/

Almost 15 years ago,on June 3,1999,Clayton Lockett,23,Shawn Mathis,26,and Alfonzo LaRon Veasey Lockett,17,planned on robbing Bobby Lee Bornt,23,at his house in Perry,Okla.

They tied up Bornt and beat him. Bornt’s nine-month-old son was present.

Stephanie Neiman,18,was dropping off her friend Summer Bradshaw at that house,and Lockett and his accomplices tried to take the keys to her new Chevy truck. Neiman,who graduated from high school only two weeks earlier,fought back,and the men covered her mouth with duct tape and beat and sexually assualted her. They also covered her 18-year-old friend’s mouth with duct tape,and beat and sexually assaulted her. Both were abducted,along with Bornt and his son. Lockett and his accomplices drove the four people they kidnapped west of Ponca City. Lockett asked Neiman if she planned to call the police. She would not say no, and Mathis spent 20 minutes digging a grave over which Lockett shot Neiman twice with a sawed-off 12-gauge shotgun, the three other victims later told authorities.

I bet thse goddamn little bitches seduced these boys.  It's her own fucking fault they had to kill her.  She gave them no choice.
It's a damn shame they were ever put on trial to start with.  Their great great great great grandfathers were slaves goddamnit.  We need to cut them some slack because of it.  If your great great great great grandfather was a slave you'd want to rape and kill some honkies too.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

What's this debate really about? The correctness of death penalties, the need for them?

The classic argument for having a death penalty is that it will act as a deterrent to people contemplating doing murder.

But the arguments in opposition to that are quite believable. And nobody, virtually nobody convicted of murder on death row awaiting execution, even paused while involved in the crime that got them a death penalty, to consider what might happen.

The death penalty for murder, has never been much of a deterrent.

If having a death penalty isn't a deterrent, then what good is it?

You want to really punish a killer? Let him or her rot until they succumb to natural causes.

We don't need to prove the American government is capable of killing. Hell, they do that all the time!

Screw Amerika Inc!!!

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