US most expensive, bureaucratic nation in the world (regarding health care)

Here is a quote form the article posted below:

"The U.S. spends more on healthcare than any other country, but what we get for these significant resources falls short in terms of access to care, affordability, and quality," David Blumenthal, M.D., president of the Commonwealth Fund, said in a statement.

The survey findings dovetailed with a recent study in the Journal of the American Medical Association indicating that America was falling behind other countries in delivering healthcare of value, FierceHealthcare previously reported."
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http://www.fiercehealthfinance.com/story/us-most-expensive-bureaucratic-nation-world-obtain-healthcare/2013-11-18?utm_campaign=SocialMedia

bet its higher now

also, don't you think there is a better way to get the cost than to SURVEY 20,000 people? I do

btw

Fact: Despite all the advances in medical technology over the past century, during which the average life expectancy of Americans has grown by 30 years, 100 percent of Americans will still eventually die. But don't try to tell that to a sick person with a flush bank account.

According to figures from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, the United States spends more money on health care per capita than any other nation on Earth -- nearly $7,300 per citizen in 2007 (the latest for which firm figures are available), of which nearly half was financed by tax dollars through programs such as Medicare and Medicaid. That's 87 percent more than Canada paid to give its citizens universal health care that year, and more than three times the expenditures in the United Kingdom. note here, medicare does have income from peoples taxes)

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/10/19/health-care-why-america-overspends/

You need to understand that the fact that americans spend more on healthcare does not mean that the GOV is paying all of that. it simply means americans love to go to the doctor and they do. this country is also the leading country for being addicted to pain pills.

PBulldog2 wrote:Here is a quote form the article posted below:

"The U.S. spends more on healthcare than any other country, but what we get for these significant resources falls short in terms of access to care, affordability, and quality," David Blumenthal, M.D., president of the Commonwealth Fund, said in a statement.

The survey findings dovetailed with a recent study in the Journal of the American Medical Association indicating that America was falling behind other countries in delivering healthcare of value, FierceHealthcare previously reported."
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http://www.fiercehealthfinance.com/story/us-most-expensive-bureaucratic-nation-world-obtain-healthcare/2013-11-18?utm_campaign=SocialMedia

In modern history, what nation has developed more new life improving, life saving drugs, more new medical procedures and more new medical technology than the United States?

We are the richest nation in the world, why would we NOT spend more on our health care?

Why are you demanding inferior health care and radically fewer improvements in the field of medicine?

Chrissy, don't leave out those addicted to anti-depressants. My ex is one of those who thinks apill cures all.

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Chrissy, don't leave out those addicted to anti-depressants. My ex is one of those who thinks apill cures all.

nope, wouldn't do that. this is a pill happy nation. and I say that mostly for pain pills or nerve pills. I am an advocate for other life saving pills such as heart, thyroid etc etc medications.

but we have a bad habit as a nation of medicating our kids because they mis behave, medicating for any little thing btw,we just loveeeeeee to go to the doctor. so yes, we spend a good amount of money in this nation on healthcare. but this money is not all coming from our government and I don't think some people realize that when they toss that data out.

if you want to compare us to lets say the UK as most of these same people do, then we are close, because our gov picks up less than half of the tab which would put us around or just under $4,000 per person. You can bet that cost just WENT WAY UP with obamacare.

and a few of the things that will continue to make the govs share go up other than the obvious Medicaid expansion is now we will have fewer employers picking up the tab.

My whole point in replying to this was just to point out that the amount they are pointing at isn't gov funded in total such as in socialistic countries we are being compared to. apples, oranges.

I stand by the facts reported in the article dated. This article was published on November 13, 2013.

I don't think we're headed towards less bureaucracy.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-economic-sleight-of-hand/

Fewer Regulations?

Responding to Republican critics who say that over-regulation by the Obama administration has hurt the economy and slowed recovery, Obama said,“I have approved fewer regulations in the first three years of my presidency than my Republican predecessor did in his.” That’s true, but only in a literal sense. Obamais referring to the number of final rules reviewed by the White House and issued by executive agencies. Officials at the White House’s Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs walked us throughthe data, and the tally comes to 9 31in the first three years under George W. Bush compared with 88 6in the first three years under Obama. But that includes many rules that have relatively small economic impact. Every year, OIRAputs out an annual report on the “major” federal regulations enacted each year. Majorrules are those that “may result in expenditures of more than $100 million.” Thatincludes rules that may have a cost or benefit of more than $10 0 million. By that measure,the Obamaadministration has approved far more than Bush did in his first three years in office. According to OIRA’s report, Obamaapproved37 “major” regulations between Jan. 20 , 2 009, (when Obama was sworn into office) and Sept. 30 , 2 011 (see D-3), including 29 that costmore than $100 million. During a similar span at the start of the Bush administration, Bush had approved nine (see D-2)— six of which cost more than $10 0million. The estimated cost of Obama’s majorregulations also faroutweighed the cost of majorregulations approved by Bush, $ 18. 8 billion to $4. 3 billion. There are also benefits to many regulations, things like savings on gas due to new fuel efficiency standards orhealthcare savings due to decreased incidents of illness from pollution regulations. OIRAputs a value on those benefits as well. According toOIRA estimates(Figure2-1), the benefits of Obama’s regulations far outweigh the costs, and the net benefits farsurpass the net benefits from Bush’s regulations. From the start of Obama’s presidency to Sept. 30, 201 1, the net benefit of Obama’s regulations was estimated at $9 1billion. As Cass Sunstein, OIRA administrator,noted in aspeechon May1 2, that’s over2 5times more than the net benefit ($3 .4 billion) during a similar time period at the start of Bush’s presidency.

ACA (Affordable Care Act) - Passed in 2009 by the Democratic majority in both houses of Congress without being read when it was only 2000 pages and currently contains 33,000+ pages of unread legislation which if stacked stands over seven feet tall.

Does anyone really know what's all inside this legislation or are we making it up as we go along?

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PBulldog2 wrote:I stand by the facts reported in the article dated. This article was published on November 13, 2013.

You can stand by an article from a radical group all you want.

Just be brave and answer these simple questions...if you have the courage.

In modern history, what nation has developed more new life improving, life saving drugs, more new medical procedures and more new medical technology than the United States?

We are the richest nation in the world, why would we NOT spend more on our health care?

Why are you demanding inferior health care and radically fewer improvements in the field of medicine?

Markle wrote:

PBulldog2 wrote:I stand by the facts reported in the article dated. This article was published on November 13, 2013.

You can stand by an article from a radical group all you want.

Just be brave and answer these simple questions...if you have the courage.

In modern history, what nation has developed more new life improving, life saving drugs, more new medical procedures and more new medical technology than the United States?

We are the richest nation in the world, why would we NOT spend more on our health care?

Why are you demanding inferior health care and radically fewer improvements in the field of medicine?

Gee, whiz....so The Commonwealth Fund is a radical group and the Journal of the American Medical Association is a magazine for radicals. Who knew?  

With regard to your comment about my courage as well as my "demand" for inferior health care, I have only this to say:

"When the debate is lost, slander (really does) become the tool of the loser." -------------Socrates

PBulldog2 wrote:

Markle wrote:

PBulldog2 wrote:I stand by the facts reported in the article dated. This article was published on November 13, 2013.

You can stand by an article from a radical group all you want.

Just be brave and answer these simple questions...if you have the courage.

In modern history, what nation has developed more new life improving, life saving drugs, more new medical procedures and more new medical technology than the United States?

We are the richest nation in the world, why would we NOT spend more on our health care?

Why are you demanding inferior health care and radically fewer improvements in the field of medicine?

Gee, whiz....so The Commonwealth Fund is a radical group and the Journal of the American Medical Association is a magazine for radicals. Who knew?   

With regard to your comment about my courage as well as my "demand" for inferior health care, I have only this to say:

"When the debate is lost, slander (really does) become the tool of the loser." -------------Socrates

How is that slander? It is fact.

Once again, don't be shy now....

Just be brave and answer these simple questions...if you have the courage.

In modern history, what nation has developed more new life improving, life saving drugs, more new medical procedures and more new medical technology than the United States?

We are the richest nation in the world, why would we NOT spend more on our health care?

Why are you demanding inferior health care and radically fewer improvements in the field of medicine?

Markle wrote:

PBulldog2 wrote:

Markle wrote:

PBulldog2 wrote:I stand by the facts reported in the article dated. This article was published on November 13, 2013.

You can stand by an article from a radical group all you want.

Just be brave and answer these simple questions...if you have the courage.

In modern history, what nation has developed more new life improving, life saving drugs, more new medical procedures and more new medical technology than the United States?

We are the richest nation in the world, why would we NOT spend more on our health care?

Why are you demanding inferior health care and radically fewer improvements in the field of medicine?

Gee, whiz....so The Commonwealth Fund is a radical group and the Journal of the American Medical Association is a magazine for radicals. Who knew?   

With regard to your comment about my courage as well as my "demand" for inferior health care, I have only this to say:

"When the debate is lost, slander (really does) become the tool of the loser." -------------Socrates

How is that slander?  It is fact.

Once again, don't be shy now....

Just be brave and answer these simple questions...if you have the courage.

In modern history, what nation has developed more new life improving, life saving drugs, more new medical procedures and more new medical technology than the United States?

We are the richest nation in the world, why would we NOT spend more on our health care?

Why are you demanding inferior health care and radically fewer improvements in the field of medicine?

Go ahead....you know you want to.   Find us a pie chart that shows us which country in modern history has developed more life improving, life saving drugs, and more new medical procedures and technology.

Your second question above assumes that all citizens of the United States are "rich." Please answer this question yourself. I think you know what my response would be.

As far as your frequent misstatement that I demand inferior health care (such as Medicare, I presume?) goes:

"When the debate is lost, slander is the tool of the loser." ----Socrates

But hey, I guess I should be happy. At least Markle is no longer calling me "shameful and immoral."

That's progress!

PBulldog2 wrote:I stand by the facts reported in the article dated. This article was published on November 13, 2013.

Then you stand by the FACTS that Americans want to live longer and love to go to the doctor and the FACT that only 5% of Americans account for 50% of spending? you know those old and sickly people who refuse to die, but we could be like some of those other countries and deny referrals to those who are on gov ins, but you wont touch the ones on private ins if it lives through this.

you support removing life saving and life extending care to the elderly. just give em a pill.

PBulldog2 wrote:Here is a quote form the article posted below:

"The U.S. spends more on healthcare than any other country, but what we get for these significant resources falls short in terms of access to care, affordability, and quality," David Blumenthal, M.D., president of the Commonwealth Fund, said in a statement.

The survey findings dovetailed with a recent study in the Journal of the American Medical Association indicating that America was falling behind other countries in delivering healthcare of value, FierceHealthcare previously reported."
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http://www.fiercehealthfinance.com/story/us-most-expensive-bureaucratic-nation-world-obtain-healthcare/2013-11-18?utm_campaign=SocialMedia

Corporate America runs this country and will continue to do so until their obscene greed destroys our country.

Chrissy wrote:Americans... love to go to the doctor.

Huh. I'd rather be subjected to the chinese water torture than go to the fucking doctor. Because the chinese water torture is a lot less painful than a full bore wallectomy.

Bob wrote:

Chrissy wrote:Americans... love to go to the doctor.

Huh.  I'd rather be subjected to the chinese water torture than go to the fucking doctor.  Because the chinese water torture is a lot less painful than a full bore wallectomy.  

statistical fact. Americans love to go to the doctor. they can go to the doctor because we have more people with more money here so all the old people walk around with bags full of drugs, I know people who take 15-20 pills a day.

so this fact that NONE OF YOU CAN DEBATE and have chosen to OVERLOOK.

is that when you see that $8000 more than HALF of that is paid by private individuals, so what our gov has been paying is inline with the UK.

She's like a good soldier in the Nazi army. No matter how indefensible the whole fucking thing is, we can always count on her to give the Nazi salute and say "Heil Hitler". lol

Hey Chrissy it's so nice to have another Nazi on the forum. It gets so lonely...welcome....LOL.

Now teo let's be honest about something here.

Nobody could be more on opposite sides of this shit than you and Chrissy.

Chrissy believes the doctors,  the hospitals and everybody else in the medical/industrial complex are all doing the work of Jesus.

You,  on the other hand,  believe the whole shebang is doing the work of Satan.

lol

Mr Ichi wrote: full bore wallectomy......LOL
   

Yea but I spelled it wrong. Should be walletectomy. Wallectomy sounds like they removed a wall. lol

Bob wrote:Now teo let's be honest about something here.

Nobody could be more on opposite sides of this shit than you and Chrissy.

Chrissy believes the doctors,  the hospitals and everybody else in the medical/industrial complex are all doing the work of Jesus.

You,  on the other hand,  believe the whole shebang is doing the work of Satan.

lol

I was just desperate for a fraulein Bob but of course you are right...