Now he blames the bad apple insurance company's

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/10/30/obama-blames-bad-apple-insurers-for-canceled-insurance-plans/

Might as well put this here.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505267_162-57609254/medicaid-enrollment-spike-a-threat-to-obamacare-structure/?goback=%2Egde_2037299_member_5799547300812443650#%21

He has to blame someone.  Even though he knew 3 years ago this was going to happen.

How do you know he knew 3 yrs. ago this would happen?

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-admin-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite


Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.”  
That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them. 
Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,” was still saying in 2012, “If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.”
“This says that when they made the promise, they knew half the people in this market outright couldn’t keep what they had and then they wrote the rules so that others couldn’t make it either,” said  Robert Laszewski, of Health Policy and Strategy Associates, a consultant who works for health industry firms. Laszewski estimates that 80 percent of those in the individual market will not be able to keep their current policies and will have to buy insurance that meets requirements of the new law, which generally requires a richer package of benefits than most policies today.

I'm keeping my policy. Everyone in my company is keeping theirs. So what is the problem w/ the people who can't keep theirs because they don't meet the minimum standards? They can buy on the exchanges and get a subsidy. So what really is the big problem? You all just want to harp on you caught him in a lie?

Dreamsglore wrote:I'm keeping my policy. Everyone in my company is keeping theirs. So what is the problem w/ the people who can't keep theirs because they don't meet the minimum standards? They can buy on the exchanges and get a subsidy. So what really is the big problem? You all just want to harp on you caught him in a lie?

We don't know what's going to happen to company policies over the next 5 years.   

When the man ran all over the country for 2 years telling Americans--You can keep your plan-PERIOD, it's a pretty big deal that we find out now that he was lying.

When do his lies to Americans become a problem to you?

I don't blame him for what the greedy insurance companies do. When are you going to put the blame where it belongs?

Dreamsglore wrote:I don't blame him for what the greedy insurance companies do. When are you going to put the blame where it belongs?

OK, Dreams, I think you're missing something here...
Who lied to Americans about this--Obama or insurance companies?

Dreamsglore wrote:How do you know he knew 3 yrs. ago this would happen?

He's the smartest man in the world, remember? He knew what he was promising was a flat out LIE and that his low information voters would swallow it hook, line and sinker. Which they did. And now look, they're all whining about the computer, the insurance companies, just

Republicans and Conservatives KNEW FIVE years ago and more that this was a massive economic boondoggle which would crush our country further in debt.

The Democrats and Progressives are now whining how it has all be taken wrong, that President Obama did not REALLY say your could keep your insurance if you wanted PERIOD. That was just a figure of speech...not REALLY A LIE....

Millions LOSING the insurance they wanted, losing the doctors they wanted and paying many times their previous premiums.

What a deal!

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Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:I don't blame him for what the greedy insurance companies do. When are you going to put the blame where it belongs?

OK, Dreams, I think you're missing something here...
Who lied to Americans about this--Obama or insurance companies?

Isn't it amazing how the supposedly enlightened progressive liberal mind can be programmed?

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q1eZJkfLvk

people liked the insurance they had ---crummy or not ,  They like there doctors ,  why make those people change there ins--I think that is wrong period .

It just doesn't seam right to me --that part of it !   ok make people buy and leave the rest alone . They had ins--already .

I mean geeze ---maternity for everyone --heck Dem--and Rep --They all broke into laughter over that one  

I think he made things worse not better at this point right now.

I don't think they put enough thought into this ! Or they didn't think at all. 

Dreamsglore wrote:I don't blame him for what the greedy insurance companies do. When are you going to put the blame where it belongs?

Well let's see, the greedy insurance company's were told all plans except grandfathered had to be compliant by Jan 1, 2014 or the end of the plan year in 2014, so he is putting the blame where it does not belong.

cool1 wrote:people liked the insurance they had ---crummy or not ,  They like there doctors ,  why make those people change there ins--I think that is wrong period .

It just doesn't seam right to me --that part of it !   ok make people buy and leave the rest alone . They had ins--already .

I mean geeze ---maternity for everyone --heck Dem--and Rep --They all broke into laughter over that one  

I think he made things worse not better at this point right now.

I don't think they put enough thought into this ! Or they didn't think at all. 

No most people did not like their crummy plans, but in some cases it was the only thing they could afford or they were declined for a fully underwritten policy and had to purchase the go blue plan that had very, very little coverage and nothing for hospital's or xrays. If he had not made insurance company's to comply I doubt anyone would be receiving cancellation notices's right now. The insurance company's could just stop selling those plans letting the one's who had them stay in the pool until it fizzled out over the next couple of years.

ppaca wrote:

cool1 wrote:people liked the insurance they had ---crummy or not ,  They like there doctors ,  why make those people change there ins--I think that is wrong period .

It just doesn't seam right to me --that part of it !   ok make people buy and leave the rest alone . They had ins--already .

I mean geeze ---maternity for everyone --heck Dem--and Rep --They all broke into laughter over that one  

I think he made things worse not better at this point right now.

I don't think they put enough thought into this ! Or they didn't think at all. 

No most people did not like their crummy plans, but in some cases it was the only thing they could afford or they were declined for a fully underwritten policy and had to purchase the go blue plan that had very, very little coverage and nothing for hospital's or xrays. If he had not made insurance company's to comply I doubt anyone would be receiving cancellation notices's right now. The insurance company's could just stop selling those plans letting the one's who had them stay in the pool until it fizzled out over the next couple of years.

Well they are saying they don't want it and they like the plans they had and they are saying there ins--went up ! I thought all this was to lower cost .

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:I don't blame him for what the greedy insurance companies do. When are you going to put the blame where it belongs?

OK, Dreams, I think you're missing something here...
Who lied to Americans about this--Obama or insurance companies?

I think you're missing the point. You want to diss Obama about this but the facts are people in group plans are keeping their insurance. The people in individual plans are not being changed by Obama but the insurance companies. When Obama said they could keep their plans they could have if the insurance co.'s hadn't cancelled. They chose not to update them...not Obama.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:I don't blame him for what the greedy insurance companies do. When are you going to put the blame where it belongs?

OK, Dreams, I think you're missing something here...
Who lied to Americans about this--Obama or insurance companies?

I think you're missing the point. You want to diss Obama about this but the facts are people in group plans are keeping their insurance. The people in individual plans are not being changed by Obama but the insurance companies. When Obama said they could keep their plans they could have if the insurance co.'s hadn't cancelled. They chose not to update them...not Obama.

Did you know this at the time? I don't recall a public service announcement.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:I don't blame him for what the greedy insurance companies do. When are you going to put the blame where it belongs?

OK, Dreams, I think you're missing something here...
Who lied to Americans about this--Obama or insurance companies?

I think you're missing the point. You want to diss Obama about this but the facts are people in group plans are keeping their insurance. The people in individual plans are not being changed by Obama but the insurance companies. When Obama said they could keep their plans they could have if the insurance co.'s hadn't cancelled. They chose not to update them...not Obama.

LOL, Dreams.  You asked me how Obama knew 3 years ago and I gave you a link to a news article that explains how he knew. Now you say that he didn't lie?

Obama did not say--If you like your insurance plan and it doesn't change anything about it--you can keep it.    

Obama said--If you like your insurance, you can keep it. PERIOD.  He went all over the country giving this promise to Americans.   

No one else on here, even other liberals, seem to disagree with the obvious point that Obama wasn't completely honest!

Republicans on healthcare in the 1990s:  What we need is a mandate, I tell ya!  A "free market solution"!  No need for single payer or any other socialist crap!  Mandate!  Free market solution!

Republicans on healthcare today:  A mandate is basically socialism!  We have moved so far left that we may as well be communists!  The government has completely taken over the healthcare industry as we know it!  Giving people subsidies to buy insurance in the free market is a redistribution of wealth and cheats the rich!

Republicans on everything else today :  What we need is a system that gives people subsidies so that they can buy stuff in the free market!  The government shouldn't be involved in retirement (social security) or healthcare (medicare)!  Give them subsidies and let them go out and buy whatever plan they choose!  This is the free market solution!  This is what makes America great, I tell ya!

Republicans ten years from now on everything else (after axing social security and medicare):  What?!?!  What the...?!?  We're going to give people subsidies to buy stuff in the free market!?! Wha....BUT THAT'S COMMUNISM!!! WE HAVE MOVED SO FAR LEFT AT WE ARE BASICALLY COMMUNISTS!!! AH!!!

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:I don't blame him for what the greedy insurance companies do. When are you going to put the blame where it belongs?

OK, Dreams, I think you're missing something here...
Who lied to Americans about this--Obama or insurance companies?

I think you're missing the point. You want to diss Obama about this but the facts are people in group plans are keeping their insurance. The people in individual plans are not being changed by Obama but the insurance companies. When Obama said they could keep their plans they could have if the insurance co.'s hadn't cancelled. They chose not to update them...not Obama.

LOL, Dreams.  You asked me h

ow Obama knew 3 years ago and I gave you a link to a news article that explains how he knew. Now you say that he didn't lie?

Obama did not say--If you like your insurance plan and it doesn't change anything about it--you can keep it.    

Obama said--If you like your insurance, you can keep it. PERIOD.  He went all over the country giving this promise to Americans.   

No one else on here, even other liberals, seem to disagree with the obvious point that Obama wasn't completely honest!

Correct. He did say that,however wasn't that before the insurance co.'s decided to cancel the policies? Why are you blaming Obama for something the insurance co.'s did? This is what I'm asking. You all are trying to say he deliberately decieved the American public which is incorrect. The insurance co's decided to cancel policies.

ppaca wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:I don't blame him for what the greedy insurance companies do. When are you going to put the blame where it belongs?

Well let's see, the greedy insurance company's were told all plans except grandfathered had to be compliant by Jan 1, 2014 or the end of the plan year in 2014, so he is putting the blame where it does not belong.

Wait a minute! So that means he knew they would cancel? I don't think so.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:I don't blame him for what the greedy insurance companies do. When are you going to put the blame where it belongs?

OK, Dreams, I think you're missing something here...
Who lied to Americans about this--Obama or insurance companies?

I think you're missing the point. You want to diss Obama about this but the facts are people in group plans are keeping their insurance. The people in individual plans are not being changed by Obama but the insurance companies. When Obama said they could keep their plans they could have if the insurance co.'s hadn't cancelled. They chose not to update them...not Obama.

LOL, Dreams.  You asked me h

ow Obama knew 3 years ago and I gave you a link to a news article that explains how he knew. Now you say that he didn't lie?

Obama did not say--If you like your insurance plan and it doesn't change anything about it--you can keep it.    

Obama said--If you like your insurance, you can keep it. PERIOD.  He went all over the country giving this promise to Americans.   

No one else on here, even other liberals, seem to disagree with the obvious point that Obama wasn't completely honest!

Correct. He did say that,however wasn't that before the insurance co.'s decided to cancel the policies? Why are you blaming Obama for something the insurance co.'s did? This is what I'm asking. You all are trying to say he deliberately decieved the American public which is incorrect. The insurance co's decided to cancel policies.

OK, Dreams.  Whatever you want to believe.  Now it's being reported that 93 million Americans might lose their plans.  I guess none of the problems with Obamacare  are Obama's fault.

ppaca wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:I don't blame him for what the greedy insurance companies do. When are you going to put the blame where it belongs?

Well let's see, the greedy insurance company's were told all plans except grandfathered had to be compliant by Jan 1, 2014 or the end of the plan year in 2014, so he is putting the blame where it does not belong.

This is what the President said in 2009.

During a June 23, 2009 press conference, President Obama made a very specific promise about what would become the Affordable Care Act the following March. "When I say if you have your plan and you like it," Obama explained, "what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform." (Emphasis mine.] As the President emphasized to ABC News' Diane Sawyer the following day, his pledge did not extend to employers and private insurers for a very good reason:


"I can guarantee you that there's the possibility for a whole lot of Americans out there that they're not going to end up having the same health care they have," he said Tuesday. "Because what's going to happen is, as costs keep on going up, employers are going to start making decisions: 'We've got to raise premiums on our employees. In some cases, we can't provide health insurance at all'"...
"That's the case whether we pass health care or not. The fact is that right now, all across the country, people are losing their health care. Every day," he said.

I think some of you should see sunstein's book "nudge"... there are no unforseen consequences occurring.

Control is effective ownership... where's that damn nazi hunter when you need him?