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ANOTHER DEMOCRAT SUCCESS STORY! Detroit Retirees Benefits to be Cut by 84%!

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Markle

Markle

ANOTHER DEMOCRAT SUCCESS STORY!

Detroit Retirees may get as little as SIXTEEN CENTS of each dollar they were promised.

Again, Democrats make promises, for VOTES, they know they cannot keep and do not care.

"Are you saying it was so self-evident that no one had to say it?" asked Claude Montgomery, attorney for a committee of retirees that was created by Rhodes.

"Yes," Buckfire answered.

Buckfire, a Detroit native and investment banker with restructuring experience, later told the court the city plans to pay unsecured creditors, including the city's pensioners, 16 cents on the dollar. There are about 23,500 city retirees.

ANOTHER DEMOCRAT SUCCESS STORY!  Detroit Retirees Benefits to be Cut by 84%! Detroitruins

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/25/usa-detroit-bankruptcy-idUSL1N0IF0LG20131025



Last edited by Markle on 10/28/2013, 8:01 pm; edited 1 time in total

Nekochan

Nekochan

Dang, I hope these people set a little extra money aside for their retirement years. Shocked

2seaoat



it is too premature for anybody to give that figure on Chapter 9 bankruptcy. There is no approved plan, and certainly no order signed by the judge. However, there are at least 15 states with public employee retirement funds which are functionally bankrupt. It will be interesting on the plan approved what choices in revenues will be made by the trustee, creditors and judge. The sad reality is that public employees think they are exempt from an Enron, Eastern, or US Steel destruction of qualified plans. I would guess now that those plans are going to funded at a higher level than this estimate.

Guest


Guest

lol sometimes you just have to laugh

gulfbeachbandit

gulfbeachbandit

Obama will bail them out. everyone who lives there is a democratic voter. And a welfare recipient, food stamp collector, section 8 housing resident.......

Markle

Markle

gulfbeachbandit wrote:Obama will bail them out.  everyone who lives there is a democratic voter.  And a welfare recipient, food stamp collector, section 8 housing resident.......
People living in fiscally responsible states will be furious. While they acted responsibly, they are going to be forced to pay for others irresponsibility.

2seaoat



People living in fiscally responsible states will be furious. While they acted responsibly, they are going to be forced to pay for others irresponsibility.


How do you define fiscally responsible?  The truth is that those states which pay the most taxes and get the fewest government dollars back are often the very states which are faced with debt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_taxation_and_spending_by_state

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/monday-map-state-debt-capita

If fiscally responsible means that those states with the highest debt quit sending money to the states with the less debt, you may be on to something.

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:People living in fiscally responsible states will be furious. While they acted responsibly, they are going to be forced to pay for others irresponsibility.


How do you define fiscally responsible?  The truth is that those states which pay the most taxes and get the fewest government dollars back are often the very states which are faced with debt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_taxation_and_spending_by_state

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/monday-map-state-debt-capita

If fiscally responsible means that those states with the highest debt quit sending money to the states with the less debt, you may be on to something.
I understand that this is complex and it appears to be over your head. States have their own budgets and spending, outside of Federal spending. Cities and municipalities do as well. DETROIT is a city, it is BROKE and deeply in debt from so many give aways and corruption over the years.

Try again.

2seaoat



I understand that this is complex and it appears to be over your head. States have their own budgets and spending, outside of Federal spending. Cities and municipalities do as well. DETROIT is a city, it is BROKE and deeply in debt from so many give aways and corruption over the years.

Try again.


The state of Michigan is one of the highest per capita States where federal tax dollars are sent out of the state to other states. What if the folks in Alabama, Ms, and Florida just kept their federal taxes to pay their bills......and Michigan got to keep all of its federal dollars.....who would be the deadbeat?

Pay attention.

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:I understand that this is complex and it appears to be over your head. States have their own budgets and spending, outside of Federal spending. Cities and municipalities do as well. DETROIT is a city, it is BROKE and deeply in debt from so many give aways and corruption over the years.

Try again.


The state of Michigan is one of the highest per capita States where federal tax dollars are sent out of the state to other states.  What if the folks in Alabama, Ms, and Florida just kept their federal taxes to pay their bills......and Michigan got to keep all of its federal dollars.....who would be the deadbeat?

Pay attention.  
Please do! Now listen carefully. The CITY is bankrupt, the CITY is DETROIT.

Democrats and corruption are a part of everyday life in DETROIT and why it has collapsed.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Markle wrote:
2seaoat wrote:People living in fiscally responsible states will be furious. While they acted responsibly, they are going to be forced to pay for others irresponsibility.


How do you define fiscally responsible?  The truth is that those states which pay the most taxes and get the fewest government dollars back are often the very states which are faced with debt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_taxation_and_spending_by_state

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/monday-map-state-debt-capita

If fiscally responsible means that those states with the highest debt quit sending money to the states with the less debt, you may be on to something.
I understand that this is complex and it appears to be over your head.  States have their own budgets and spending, outside of Federal spending.  Cities and municipalities do as well.  DETROIT is a city, it is BROKE and deeply in debt from so many give aways and corruption over the years.

Try again.
No, you try again, you stupid partisan hack.

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/08/11/the-wrong-lesson-from-detroits-bankruptcy/?_r=0

(read the whole article)

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-14/only-wall-street-wins-in-detroit-crisis-reaping-474-million-fee.html

Only Wall Street Wins in Detroit Crisis Reaping $474 Million Fee

"The only winners in the financial crisis that brought Detroit (9845MF) to the brink of state takeover are Wall Street bankers who reaped more than $474 million from a city too poor to keep street lights working.

The city started borrowing to plug budget holes in 2005 under former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, who was convicted this week on corruption charges. That year, it issued $1.4 billion in securities to fund pension payments. Last year, it added $129.5 million in debt, 9.3 percent of its general-fund budget, in part to repay loans taken to service other bonds.
Detroit, which is trying to avoid becoming the largest U.S. municipal bankruptcy, struggles to serve residents after revenue declined when the auto industry collapsed and the city began to empty. Michigan (BEESMI)’s Republican governor, Rick Snyder, is preparing to name an emergency manager, who will have to address debt and derivatives taken on in the last eight years.
“We have no lights, no buses, poor streets and now we’re paying millions of dollars a year on our debt,” said David Sole, a retired municipal worker and advocate for Moratorium Now Coalition, a Detroit group that fights foreclosures and evictions. “The banks said they need to be paid first. But there is no money.”
The city, which peaked at 1.85 million residents in 1950, has lost more than a quarter of its population since 2000. The 700,000 inhabitants who remain endure unreliable buses, inadequate police and fire protection and broken street lights that have darkened entire blocks.
Covering Shortfalls
Banks including UBS AG (UBS), Bank of America Corp.’s Merrill Lynch and JPMorgan Chase & Co (JPM). have enabled about $3.7 billion of bond issues to cover deficits, pension shortfalls and debt payments since 2005, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Liabilities rose to almost $15 billion, including money owed retirees, according to a state treasurer’s review.
The debt sales cost Detroit $474 million, including underwriting expenses, bond-insurance premiums and fees for wrong-way bets on swaps, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. That almost equals the city’s 2013 budget for police and fire protection.
The largest part is $350 million owed for derivatives meant to lower borrowing costs on variable-rate debt..."

VULTURE CAPITALISM on a grand scale...

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Chrissy wrote:lol sometimes you just have to laugh
It's not funny. Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad 

Guest


Guest

Bad ideas fail. Detroit chose to tax and borrow... this is not the fault of those that lent them money or fled the taxes.

The issues have been on the table and thrust under the cities leaders noses for a very long time... they knew this was coming.

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