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Is it time to get rid of the Electoral College?

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TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Sal wrote:And, that's where the votes come in

Democracy, bitch.
Actually we are a nation of laws which if they were enforced Democrats couldn't get elected to clean restrooms. Just let a bunch of Mexicans break the law, come in and skew the vote...Or buy votes from homeless people and promise poor people other people's money.....

Democracy is mob rule...

Sal

Sal

TEOTWAWKI wrote:
Sal wrote:And, that's where the votes come in

Democracy, bitch.
Actually we are a nation of laws which if they were enforced Democrats couldn't get elected to clean restrooms. Just let a bunch of Mexicans break the law, come in and skew the vote...Or buy votes from homeless people and promise poor people other people's money.....

Democracy is mob rule...
Only white people should be able to vote

check.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

It may be that human beings are not suited to live in a nation which has become so big and so out of control as this one. Something this big and out of control may have reached a point where it's just no longer governable.
It happened to the Soviet Union in our time. And to many other big and out of control empires in the past.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Sal wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:
Sal wrote:And, that's where the votes come in

Democracy, bitch.
Actually we are a nation of laws which if they were enforced Democrats couldn't get elected to clean restrooms. Just let a bunch of Mexicans break the law, come in and skew the vote...Or buy votes from homeless people and promise poor people other people's money.....

Democracy is mob rule...
Only white people should be able to vote

check.
Yeah racism is your only card and you play it often. You only sing one song..very boring.

Guest


Guest

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The United States is a Constitutional Republic.

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html

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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Look I'm the selfish generation so let's cut the shit.  All I care about at this point is keeping medicare alive for as long as I'm alive.  Because medicare is the only thing that will let me stay alive.

Everything else about the federal government is inconsequential to me so ya'll fight that out.  From now on I'm voting medicare like some people vote abortion.  My litmus test for voting in any and all elections is "which one of you is going to be the most pro-medicare?".

Guest


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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Damaged Eagle wrote:Is it time to get rid of the Electoral College? - Page 2 Th?id=H.4844767217976769&w=258&h=174&c=7&rs=1&pid=1

 
Yea in that movie Spock committed suicide "for the many".
And in the last movie Kirk committed suicide "for the many".

That's all well and good in the movie world because in the movie world
after each committed suicide they both came back to life.

In the real world, Spock and Kirk both woulda done what I woulda done.
They would have sent Scotty or Bones in there to die. lol

Guest


Guest

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Just being contradictory there Bob.

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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Besides, in the Star Trek world they had that magic wand Bones waved over people to cure any disease. They didn't need no goddamn medicare. lol

Guest


Guest

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Damn it Jim! I'm a corpse not a doctor.

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bizguy



Nekochan wrote:
bizguy wrote:
Nekochan wrote:
bizguy wrote:
Nekochan wrote:Do you think we'd have better representation for each state if senators were appointed by the state legislature?  I don't.
Of course we would.  The states have no representation in Washington now.  However, the feds continue to levy unfunded mandates on the states.  Kind of reminds me of taxation without representation.
You mean that the state legislature/state government have no representation in Washington.
I'm guessing that is a question and the answer is yes.
Yes, it was half way a question but I understood what you were getting at.  
I take it that you think that the 17th amendment greatly eroded states' rights?  If so, I get what you're saying on that.  But shouldn't the state represent what its citizens want?
I'll answer you by asking a question. How much of your life is regulated by your state and how much is regulated by the federal government? Take education for example. Why is the federal government involved in education? They don't build the schools...they don't pay the teachers...they don't provide the books. Why in the world do we need a building full of bureaucrats in Washington DC telling us how to educate our kids? The framers of the constitution clearly defined and limited the role of the federal government. We the people have ceded too much of OUR power to Washington. It's no longer a government of the people, by the people, for the people. If you want to get the money out of politics then get the power away from the politicians.

Markle

Markle

boards of FL wrote:Is it time to get rid of the Electoral College?
Do you know the purpose of the Electoral College?

Markle

Markle

Floridatexan wrote:
I don't have a problem with the electoral college.  I do have a problem with the amount of money that has been pumped into elections.  We need campaign finance reform.
What candidate was it that caused the massive increase in the cost of Presidential Elections.

Markle

Markle

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
Chrissy wrote:I am pretty sick of cali having 55
California's demographics equals those of about 12+ states on the east coast of the U.S.

Perhaps they should demand to have about 10 more Senators. Rhode Island is smaller than the county I grew up in; why should they get two Senators?
I take it you were skipped civics in high school...or did you go?

We have, what is known as the House of Representatives to represent the people.

Foolishly, we passed the 17th Amendment which is the source of the TRILLIONS of dollars in unfunded mandates pass on to the states.

Markle

Markle

Nekochan wrote:Do you think we'd have better representation for each state if senators were appointed by the state legislature?  I don't.
We would absolutely have far, far better representation. Today, the states have no one to represent them. Talk about taxation without representation!

How many unfunded mandates do you think congress would pass on to their states if they had to face their state legislature for election and re-election?

Markle

Markle

Sal wrote:Term limits are the blunt tool of idiots.

FDR coulda had fifty terms in an ideal world.

Limiting exceptional people defies logic.
FDR is the reason the 22nd Amendment was passed by congress and ratified by the states so quickly. Having extended the Great Depression for seven years, the people were afraid that could happen again.

Congress and the presidency were never intended to be life long careers. The majority of have no clue who they are voting for or why. Most now vote for whoever promises them the most goodies.

Markle

Markle

Bob wrote:I already see one obvious fly in that ointment.
Obviously,  with a process like that,  a candidate would concentrate most of his campaign in the densely populated states and regions which would give him the most votes for his effort.  Which would result in the less populated states/regions being effectively shut out from the process.

Not a problem.

We would simply make these adjustments.   We would extend the campaign to a longer period (hell now the dysfunctional thing last two years so anything would be an improvement).  And we would work out a requirement for each candidate to divide his time spent campaigning across the whole country in a proportional way.

AND,  instead of letting the candidate pick and choose his media appearances,  we would also have a requirement that he has to appear on media in each state and when he does that will be carried by media outlets located over the whole state.

Problem solved.
In other words, suspend the Constitution. Got it. Why am I not surprised that it is you with this proposal.

Markle

Markle

Bob wrote:It may be that human beings are not suited to live in a nation which has become so big and so out of control as this one.  Something this big and out of control may have reached a point where it's just no longer governable.
It happened to the Soviet Union in our time.  And to many other big and out of control empires in the past.
As you well know, the Soviet Union collapsed because of the actions and strong leadership of President Ronald Reagan. The Soviet Union collapsed because their Communist economy was a failure.

Markle

Markle

Sal wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:
Sal wrote:And, that's where the votes come in

Democracy, bitch.
Actually we are a nation of laws which if they were enforced Democrats couldn't get elected to clean restrooms. Just let a bunch of Mexicans break the law, come in and skew the vote...Or buy votes from homeless people and promise poor people other people's money.....

Democracy is mob rule...
Only white people should be able to vote

check.
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knothead

knothead

the Soviet Union collapsed because of the actions and strong leadership of President Ronald Reagan.

Actually, this is only partially true Markle. RR was able to establish a working personal relationship with Gorbachev and built a high degree of trust. The USSR collapsed largely because of their adventures into Afghanistan and, like the USA, threw trillions of their rubles down a rabbit hole weakening their hold on their empire. The satellite nations under their control were in social upheaval and demanded independence. . . . . it was a convergence of all these combined factors including the massive defense investments countering the USSR's defense spending . . . . so yes RR occupied the office and was instrumental but not the sole reason the USSR fell.

Nekochan

Nekochan

Bizguy and Markle...thank you for your answers.   You both make good points.

Guest


Guest

knothead wrote:the Soviet Union collapsed because of the actions and strong leadership of President Ronald Reagan.

Actually, this is only partially true Markle.  RR was able to establish a working personal relationship with Gorbachev and built a high degree of trust.  The USSR collapsed largely because of their adventures into Afghanistan and, like the USA, threw trillions of their rubles down a rabbit hole weakening their hold on their empire.  The satellite nations under their control were in social upheaval and demanded independence. . . . . it was a convergence of all these combined factors including the massive defense investments countering the USSR's defense spending . . . . so yes RR occupied the office and was instrumental but not the sole reason the USSR fell.    
always funny that when a leftie is in office and something good happens that they had little to do with, credit is given generously by the left to the occupier of the office. But when something bad happens such as employment rates, bad economy etc etc the occupier of the office is no longer responsible, its someone else did that.

Guest


Guest

boards of FL wrote:Is it time to get rid of the Electoral College?
To abolish the Electoral College would need a constitutional amendment, and could be stopped by states with as little as 3% of the U.S. population.

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The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC), by state laws.

Every vote, everywhere, would be politically relevant and equal in presidential elections. No more distorting and divisive red and blue state maps.

When the bill is enacted by states with a majority of the electoral votes– enough electoral votes to elect a President (270 of 538), all the electoral votes from the enacting states would be awarded to the presidential candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and DC.

With National Popular Vote, the United States would still be a republic, in which citizens continue to elect the President by a majority of Electoral College votes by states, to represent us and conduct the business of government in the periods between elections.

The presidential election system that we have today was not designed, anticipated, or favored by the Founding Fathers but, instead, is the product of decades of evolutionary change precipitated by the emergence of political parties and enactment by 48 states of winner-take-all laws, not mentioned, much less endorsed, in the Constitution.

The bill uses the power given to each state by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution to change how they award their electoral votes for President. Historically, virtually all of the major changes in the method of electing the President, including ending the requirement that only men who owned substantial property could vote and 48 current state-by-state winner-take-all laws, have come about by state legislative action.

In Gallup polls since 1944, only about 20% of the public has supported the current system of awarding all of a state's electoral votes to the presidential candidate who receives the most votes in each separate state (with about 70% opposed and about 10% undecided).
Support for a national popular vote is strong among Republicans, Democrats, and Independent voters, as well as every demographic group in virtually every state surveyed in recent polls in recent closely divided Battleground states: CO – 68%, FL – 78%, IA 75%, MI – 73%, MO – 70%, NH – 69%, NV – 72%, NM– 76%, NC – 74%, OH – 70%, PA – 78%, VA – 74%, and WI – 71%; in Small states (3 to 5 electoral votes): AK – 70%, DC – 76%, DE – 75%, ID – 77%, ME – 77%, MT – 72%, NE 74%, NH – 69%, NV – 72%, NM – 76%, OK – 81%, RI – 74%, SD – 71%, UT – 70%, VT – 75%, WV – 81%, and WY – 69%; in Southern and Border states: AR – 80%, KY- 80%, MS – 77%, MO – 70%, NC – 74%, OK – 81%, SC – 71%, TN – 83%, VA – 74%, and WV – 81%; and in other states polled: AZ – 67%, CA – 70%, CT – 74%, MA – 73%, MN – 75%, NY – 79%, OR – 76%, and WA – 77%. Americans believe that the candidate who receives the most votes should win.

The bill has passed 32 state legislative chambers in 21 states with 243 electoral votes. The bill has been enacted by 10 jurisdictions with 136 electoral votes – 50.4% of the 270 necessary to go into effect.

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