The poor are getting poorer; why do ultra-conservatives hate them so?

The rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting poorer.  The frighty righties who are incessantly crying-at-the-sky about how nobody in this country has any money can shut-the-hell-up.
Check this out:
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/top-1-percent-took-record-share-2012-us-income-0
So even though the black POTUS is "hellbent on punishing the rich," according to the ultra-conservatives who pollute this forum, there has never been a better time to be rich and/or a corporation in this country. So while you frighty righties start whining about people hating the rich, check out the facts. The rich are getting much richer.  This also reminds me of how the ultra-conservatives all love to cry and whine about 'wealth redistribution.' It is happening in front of our eyes, and you righties could not be concerned in the least. All the wealth in this country is being redistributed from the poor to the rich, and all you conservatives are just plain giddy about it.
So whatever money the poor does have, we are taking from them.  Yet, the poor are the subject of many, many derogatory comments from the ultra-conservative contributors of this little forum. The poor live in squalor, and may need some food stamps to feed their children. Therefore they must be evil and hence are the subject of such contemptuous hatred from the ultra-conservatives.
Sad, and pathetic.  
The people who need the most help are the most hated by the group who almost exclusively identify themselves as followers of Jesus.  We all know the bible reads that Jesus loved the poor, and admonished the rich to help the poor.
How did modern-day Christians veer so far from the teachings of Jesus?
One reason is that the black guy in the white house makes them so crazy they forget they are conservative.

"Science adjusts its beliefs through observation. Faith denies observation to preserve belief."
Chew on that for a while.

CarlSagan wrote:The rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting poorer.  The frighty righties who are incessantly crying-at-the-sky about how nobody in this country has any money can shut-the-hell-up.
Check this out:
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/top-1-percent-took-record-share-2012-us-income-0
So even though the black POTUS is "hellbent on punishing the rich," according to the ultra-conservatives who pollute this forum, there has never been a better time to be rich and/or a corporation in this country. So while you frighty righties start whining about people hating the rich, check out the facts. The rich are getting much richer.  This also reminds me of how the ultra-conservatives all love to cry and whine about 'wealth redistribution.' It is happening in front of our eyes, and you righties could not be concerned in the least. All the wealth in this country is being redistributed from the poor to the rich, and all you conservatives are just plain giddy about it.
So whatever money the poor does have, we are taking from them.  Yet, the poor are the subject of many, many derogatory comments from the ultra-conservative contributors of this little forum. The poor live in squalor, and may need some food stamps to feed their children. Therefore they must be evil and hence are the subject of such contemptuous hatred from the ultra-conservatives.
Sad, and pathetic.  
The people who need the most help are the most hated by the group who almost exclusively identify themselves as followers of Jesus.  We all know the bible reads that Jesus loved the poor, and admonished the rich to help the poor.
How did modern-day Christians veer so far from the teachings of Jesus?
One reason is that the black guy in the white house makes them so crazy they forget they are conservative.

"Science adjusts its beliefs through observation. Faith denies observation to preserve belief."
Chew on that for a while.

President Barack Hussein Obama took office January 2009.

How's that working out for you?

Just wait till the working poor are forced to buy healthcare instead of those silly things like clothing and stuff.

I guess the good news is that MANY more people will qualify for food stamps and other govt assistance and services.

I still wonder why the leftists aren't upset that corporations have been given a year reprieve... but workers are screwed.

Carl "Bigotboy" is back again.

My 5 yr.old granddaughter can read. I'm not talking about stumbling on words and trying to pronounce syllables. She can read a newspaper article without hesitation and knows more Spanish than I do. She can work an ipad like a pro and tell you all the continents in the world. She just started kindergarten. She can do this because she has attended a private Montessori school for the last two years. The idea that other children just as bright and not as economically advantaged do not have this opportunity is sad and disheartening. The cut backs in the Headstart Program for poor children is a significant blow to America's proclamation of exceptionalism. Poor children in this country should have the same opportunities to learn but they are distinguished by the misfortunes of birth. Being poor is not a disease.It is a symptom of a vicious cycle that people just cannot climb out of. Yes, there are slackers and irresponsible people but the majority of the working poor are hardworking people who haven't been privy to opportunities the wealthier have. Those are irrefutable facts.

PkrBum wrote:Just wait till the working poor are forced to buy healthcare instead of those silly things like clothing and stuff.

I guess the good news is that MANY more people will qualify for food stamps and other govt assistance and services.

I still wonder why the leftists aren't upset that corporations have been given a year reprieve... but workers are screwed.

Th working poor will have subsidies to pay for healthcare. They will be better off getting care than having to wait until it is an emergency before they get help. The corporations have been given a years reprieve but the individual mandate starts in January so no big deal.

Dreamsglore wrote:My 5 yr.old granddaughter can read. I'm not talking about stumbling on words and trying to pronounce syllables. She can read a newspaper article without hesitation and knows more Spanish than I do. She can work an ipad like a pro and tell you all the continents in the world. She just started kindergarten. She can do this because she has attended a private Montessori school for the last two years.  The idea that other children just as bright and not as economically advantaged do not have this opportunity is sad and disheartening. The cut backs in the Headstart Program for poor children is a significant blow to America's proclamation of exceptionalism. Poor children in this country should have the same opportunities to learn but they are distinguished by the misfortunes of birth. Being poor is not a disease.It is a symptom of a vicious cycle that people just cannot climb out of. Yes, there are slackers and irresponsible people but the majority of the working poor are hardworking people who haven't been privy to opportunities the wealthier have. Those are irrefutable facts.

They can work two jobs like I have since graduating from UWF in 1991.

I was born to a poor family. They are still poor and I am a suffering part of the dying middle class. It has gotten harder and harder for me to continue to help them with all the extra cost of everyday normal things. But I believe in charity and I believe in helping your loved ones. I also believe that being raised by a father who valued hard work and taught that to me helped me put myself through college, working and going to college those times were hard, I put in over 80 hours a week between the two during those days.

What am I getting at? Im getting at that you can toss a zillion dollars at people, but they will not do for themselves like I had to do unless they are raised in that culture with good values and work ethic.

todays work ethic = this: how less can I do to get as much as I can and I will cheat, steal and step on anyone to get mine.

yesterdays work ethic was= work hard, persevere, go to work on time, do your job as best you can, learn about what your doing as much as you can and you will get somewhere.

Not all things from yesterday are bad. Sometimes we might need to be a little regressive as some would call it.  

Dreamsglore wrote:

PkrBum wrote:Just wait till the working poor are forced to buy healthcare instead of those silly things like clothing and stuff.

I guess the good news is that MANY more people will qualify for food stamps and other govt assistance and services.

I still wonder why the leftists aren't upset that corporations have been given a year reprieve... but workers are screwed.

Th working poor will have subsidies to pay for healthcare. They will be better off getting care than having to wait until it is an emergency before they get help. The corporations have been given a years reprieve but the individual mandate starts in January so no big deal.

That's really representing the 99%.

Why not give the individual two more years to comply if big business has to be given a year since it would appear that big business seems incapable of doing it with all their resources?

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Dreamsglore wrote:

PkrBum wrote:Just wait till the working poor are forced to buy healthcare instead of those silly things like clothing and stuff.

I guess the good news is that MANY more people will qualify for food stamps and other govt assistance and services.

I still wonder why the leftists aren't upset that corporations have been given a year reprieve... but workers are screwed.

Th working poor will have subsidies to pay for healthcare. They will be better off getting care than having to wait until it is an emergency before they get help. The corporations have been given a years reprieve but the individual mandate starts in January so no big deal.

Great plan.  We have more and more people who are now satisfied with their standard of living from handouts from taxpayers.  So we'll have higher taxes and higher debt.  Yep, great plan!

Just wait till the working poor are forced to buy healthcare instead of those silly things like clothing and stuff.

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Without realizing it pkr, I think you hit the nail on the head. The ACA was created as I understood the rationale' the working poor could not afford health insurance, hence, they are the poor souls sitting in the ER's across the country with their medical issues and the government had to subsidize that cost. Only by forcing everyone to participate and pay something into the pool will the country hatch a workable plan to address this decades old crisis. Before you start in with its socialism and progressivism crap we must acknowledge that millions of working poor do not have basic medical care available and while that may be acceptable to you, it is not to me. We are so good at waving our flag and thumping our chest about "American exceptional ism" so we talk the talk but we just struggle politically to walk the walk. There are obviously some serious flaws in he ACA but instead of working together in a bipartisan fashion to rectify and improve our leaders choose a road too far and demand the entire overhaul be repealed. We play like we are a moral people with our pompous attitude but compared to most modern countries our healthcare system sucks . . . . . poor delivery, too costly and just ineffective for our citizens.

Great plan. We have more and more people who are now satisfied with their standard of living as handouts from the government. So we'll have higher taxes and higher debt. Yep, great plan!


You seem to fit that model of American citizen who feels, "I got mine so tough shit if you don't" and "Don't Tread on me" , you and your mentality are not good for our country even though I believe that you are convinced you are doing your civic duty in decrying the policies of the current administration.

In case you all missed it, here is a great interview with Richard Wolff. He's an economist with some valid ideas. One continuing complaint among the righties here is that dammit, people just ought to get up and f'ing go to work. Well, it is not that simple when working full time puts you below, way below the poverty level.
http://billmoyers.com/segment/richard-wolff-on-fighting-for-economic-justice-and-fair-wages/

Here’s an unhappy observation about the minimum wage: Congress last increased the rate in stages in 2007, topping it out at $7.25 an hour in 2009, or $15,080 a year.
That amount, when adjusted for inflation, is actually lower than what a minimum-wage worker earned in 1968 and is too meager to offer anyone the chance to climb out of poverty, let alone afford basic goods and services.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-16/u-s-minimum-wage-lower-than-in-lbj-era-needs-a-raise.html

Cue the righties claiming employers won't hire as many people if the min. wage goes up.  Well, Wolff points out that basically this is a false argument because (if I remember correctly from watching the show yesterday) raising the min. wage would at least help lift millions of workers out of abject poverty and put more money into the economy thus stimulating the creation of more jobs as demand for goods and services increases.

knothead wrote:Just wait till the working poor are forced to buy healthcare instead of those silly things like clothing and stuff.

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Without realizing it pkr, I think you hit the nail on the head.  The ACA was created as I understood the rationale' the working poor could not afford health insurance, hence, they are the poor souls sitting in the ER's across the country with their medical issues and the government had to subsidize that cost.  Only by forcing everyone to participate and pay something into the pool will the country hatch a workable plan to address this decades old crisis.  Before you start in with its socialism and progressivism crap we must acknowledge that millions of working poor do not have basic medical care available and while that may be acceptable to you, it is not to me.  We are so good at waving our flag and thumping our chest about "American exceptional ism" so we talk the talk but we just struggle politically to walk the walk.  There are obviously some serious flaws in he ACA but instead of working together in a bipartisan fashion to rectify and improve our leaders choose a road too far and demand the entire overhaul be repealed.  We play like we are a moral people with our pompous attitude but compared to most modern countries our healthcare system sucks . . . . . poor delivery, too costly and just ineffective for our citizens.    

Then you should not have given those big businesses that the working poor are employed at a years delay to comply and/or given certain big business waivers as to whether they have to comply at all.

I'm putting money down that those big businesses will not be required to comply when their year of grace is up but be given yet another year, then another, until everyone realizes that big business compliance will never happen.

So enforcing the individual mandate only plays into big business's hand.

The individual mandate should be delayed at least another year or should I say until big business is required to comply.

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knothead wrote:Great plan. We have more and more people who are now satisfied with their standard of living as handouts from the government. So we'll have higher taxes and higher debt. Yep, great plan!


You seem to fit that model of American citizen who feels, "I got mine so tough shit if you don't" and "Don't Tread on me" , you and your mentality are not good for our country even though I believe that you are convinced you are doing your civic duty in decrying the policies of the current administration.

You seem to fit the model of the American citizen who feels, "that job is beneath me so I'm not going to do it" and "I deserve quality even though I can't afford it so others should pay for my quality of life", you and your mentality are not good for our country even though I believe that you are convinced you are doing your civic duty in decrying your situation to the current administration.

Find a broom, mop, shovel, etc... and get to work instead of playing on your XBOX360, Playstation 3 or whatever.

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Markle wrote:

CarlSagan wrote:The rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting poorer.  The frighty righties who are incessantly crying-at-the-sky about how nobody in this country has any money can shut-the-hell-up.
Check this out:
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/top-1-percent-took-record-share-2012-us-income-0
So even though the black POTUS is "hellbent on punishing the rich," according to the ultra-conservatives who pollute this forum, there has never been a better time to be rich and/or a corporation in this country. So while you frighty righties start whining about people hating the rich, check out the facts. The rich are getting much richer.  This also reminds me of how the ultra-conservatives all love to cry and whine about 'wealth redistribution.' It is happening in front of our eyes, and you righties could not be concerned in the least. All the wealth in this country is being redistributed from the poor to the rich, and all you conservatives are just plain giddy about it.
So whatever money the poor does have, we are taking from them.  Yet, the poor are the subject of many, many derogatory comments from the ultra-conservative contributors of this little forum. The poor live in squalor, and may need some food stamps to feed their children. Therefore they must be evil and hence are the subject of such contemptuous hatred from the ultra-conservatives.
Sad, and pathetic.  
The people who need the most help are the most hated by the group who almost exclusively identify themselves as followers of Jesus.  We all know the bible reads that Jesus loved the poor, and admonished the rich to help the poor.
How did modern-day Christians veer so far from the teachings of Jesus?
One reason is that the black guy in the white house makes them so crazy they forget they are conservative.

"Science adjusts its beliefs through observation. Faith denies observation to preserve belief."
Chew on that for a while.

President Barack Hussein Obama took office January 2009.

How's that working out for you?

A hell of a lot better than the previous occupant.

The individual mandate should be delayed at least another year or should I say until big business is required to comply.


I absolutely do not disagree DE. I have always said there evidently are substantive issues with the implementation of the ACA. Why the Democrats won't publicly acknowledge these is problematic. Why the Republicans won't offer targeted patches addressing these issues is also problematic; hence, a dysfunctional system . . . . . but I have never been under the illusion that the health care reform act was perfect . . . few are but wouldn't it be more productive and a more practical approach? The ongoing debate serves no purpose except to keep our citizens confused causing a continuing erosion of public confidence . . . . it is no wonder that President Obama's approval ratings are slipping and Congress' approval rating are lower than Paris Hilton.

You seem to fit the model of the American citizen who feels, "that job is beneath me so I'm not going to do it" and "I deserve quality even though I can't afford it so others should pay for my quality of life", you and your mentality are not good for our country even though I believe that you are convinced you are doing your civic duty in decrying your situation to the current administration.


Was directed to me personally?

knothead wrote:Just wait till the working poor are forced to buy healthcare instead of those silly things like clothing and stuff.

********************************l************************

Without realizing it pkr, I think you hit the nail on the head.  The ACA was created as I understood the rationale' the working poor could not afford health insurance, hence, they are the poor souls sitting in the ER's across the country with their medical issues and the government had to subsidize that cost.  Only by forcing everyone to participate and pay something into the pool will the country hatch a workable plan to address this decades old crisis.  Before you start in with its socialism and progressivism crap we must acknowledge that millions of working poor do not have basic medical care available and while that may be acceptable to you, it is not to me.  We are so good at waving our flag and thumping our chest about "American exceptional ism" so we talk the talk but we just struggle politically to walk the walk.  There are obviously some serious flaws in he ACA but instead of working together in a bipartisan fashion to rectify and improve our leaders choose a road too far and demand the entire overhaul be repealed.  We play like we are a moral people with our pompous attitude but compared to most modern countries our healthcare system sucks . . . . . poor delivery, too costly and just ineffective for our citizens.    

True Dat! When a poor person w/ a broken arm goes to the ER they are sent home w/ an ace bandage and told to go to an orthopedic Dr. to get a cast. They have no insurance to do this.This is healthcare? I have people come in my office all the time w/ broken bones wanting arm slings and such. It's unbelievable we do this in this country.

knothead wrote:The individual mandate should be delayed at least another year or should I say until big business is required to comply.


I absolutely do not disagree DE.  I have always said there evidently are substantive issues with the implementation of the ACA.  Why the Democrats won't publicly acknowledge these is problematic.  Why the Republicans won't offer targeted patches addressing these issues is also problematic; hence, a dysfunctional system . . . . . but I have never been under the illusion that the health care reform act was perfect . . . few are but wouldn't it be more productive and a more practical approach? The ongoing debate serves no purpose except to keep our citizens confused causing a continuing erosion of public confidence . . . . it is no wonder that President Obama's approval ratings are slipping and Congress' approval rating are lower than Paris Hilton.

You'll never have me agree that the individual mandate should be enforced so long as the government is providing waivers and delays to big business to avoid compliance.

At this time if there's a way for the individual to figure out how to avoid compliance themselves I'm rooting for them because I don't believe your grand scheme will ever be complied with by big business.

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knothead wrote:You seem to fit the model of the American citizen who feels, "that job is beneath me so I'm not going to do it" and "I deserve quality even though I can't afford it so others should pay for my quality of life", you and your mentality are not good for our country even though I believe that you are convinced you are doing your civic duty in decrying your situation to the current administration.


Was directed to me personally?

Was your response directed at Markle personally?

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knothead wrote:The individual mandate should be delayed at least another year or should I say until big business is required to comply.


I absolutely do not disagree DE.  I have always said there evidently are substantive issues with the implementation of the ACA.  Why the Democrats won't publicly acknowledge these is problematic.  Why the Republicans won't offer targeted patches addressing these issues is also problematic; hence, a dysfunctional system . . . . . but I have never been under the illusion that the health care reform act was perfect . . . few are but wouldn't it be more productive and a more practical approach? The ongoing debate serves no purpose except to keep our citizens confused causing a continuing erosion of public confidence . . . . it is no wonder that President Obama's approval ratings are slipping and Congress' approval rating are lower than Paris Hilton.

You'll never have me agree that the individual mandate should be enforced so long as the government is providing waivers and delays to big business to avoid compliance.

At this time if there's a way for the individual to figure out how to avoid compliance themselves I'm rooting for them because I don't believe your grand scheme will ever be complied with by big business.


That is certainly your right my boy!