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1In Defense of Obama  Empty In Defense of Obama 9/4/2013, 4:23 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

http://www.opednews.com/articles/In-defense-of-Obama-by-Rick-Staggenborg--Assassination_OBAMA-DEMOCRATIC-FUND-RAISI_Obama_Obama-A-Landslide-Winner-In-201?show=votes#allcomments

"It is fashionable for the radical left to describe President Obama as some kind of evil Bush clone. The consensus seems to be that he is personally dedicated to making sure that Sasha and Malia grow up in a world totally dominated by the kind of people who have always subjugated African-Americans and now treat all average Americans like second-class citizens. This simplistic way of looking at a man in a unique historical position should embarrass anyone who calls himself liberal. It resembles the black-and-white thinking style of Tea Party supporters.

Conservatives are having a more rational discussion of the flaws of the Obama administration than radical leftists, at least if you turn Fox off and tune into more respectable sources of conservative viewpoints. No, not Jonah Goldberg or Charles Krauthammer. Not pseudo-intellectual hack writers but genuine, thinking conservatives. The kind that pointy-headed liberals claim don't exist. You know, Americans who don't happen to agree with their basic philosophical assumptions. How do they expect to have a national discussion when they assume all conservatives are morons? They must think that even as a minority they will somehow force their views on people for whom they show contempt. The fact is, no one is going to hold the President and Congress responsible if we dismiss anyone who disagrees with us. We need to do it together, conservatives and liberals sending the same message about what we want and holding government to it. This could start with a broad-based opposition to attacking Syria.

Left-wing critics cite the fact of Obama's economic advisers being among those most responsible for the financial crisis, his promises to step up the Afghanistan War and drone bombings and his taking single payer off the table as evidence that he is totally "sold out" to corporate interests, especially the banksters. It is true that they contributed lavishly to his campaign, eventually dwarfing the amazing amount he raised from small donors. Do they think anyone could have gotten elected in 2008 without that money, let alone the post-Citizens United 2012 election? They also seem to have no idea what it takes to get anything done when you are President.

In fairness, the same criticism could be made of his unquestioning supporters. It is not enough to say that Republicans block every good thing he tried to do, so he needs to work on what is "politically possible." Nothing is possible if you don't try! He has ignored many critical issues or at best paid them lip service. A leader is supposed to persuade the People of what needs to be done to, such as addressing global climate change and establishing a rational foreign policy, two issues that are intimately related.  Of course, making this point is taboo in a political system dominated by neocons and neoliberals whose basic policies on these issues differ only in details. Republicans and Democrats do argue about whether it is good for the economy to use tax money to create jobs and whether the social safety net should be only damaged or destroyed, but these differences won't save a fundamentally flawed economy that is only going to get worse if banksters aren't brought to justice and the Trans Pacific Partnership becomes a reality.

If you aren't too angry to read on, please bear with me. I am on your side.


Representative democracy depends on citizens having a respectful conversation. Only when we can demonstrate consensus can we legitimately talk about "the will of the People," let alone "the 99%."  If we continue to divide ourselves and blame "the other side" for all the problems, Congress and the White House will continue to do as they please, regardless of poll data showing that a great majority of Americans agree on critically important issues that Congress and the President ignore for fear they will lose favor with those to whom they feel they owe their offices. They tell themselves they have no choice: they must compromise so that they can "serve the People" the best they can in a system completely corrupted by special interest money.

Today, Americans should look at President Obama's record in a whole new light. Not as all good or all bad, but judged by the standard of what may be the only viable way for the President to get in a position to "be the change that Americans need."  On Saturday, he reversed himself (okay, with equivocation) and insisted that Congress weigh in on the decision to intervene directly in Syria. That was not in the plan that Obama's handlers had. Judging from the recommendations of his national security advisers, that plan hasn't changed. They are clearly still calling for an action that would have made Bush blush. Indirect support of the al Qaeda-dominated "Free Syrian Army" will fail to topple the dictator-du-jour.  

The insane rush to war at the risk of sparking WW III may have been too much for the normally compliant President known for "leading from behind." He might have real doubts. He might have had them even before escalating the war in Afghanistan and agreeing to take part in the illegal assault of Libya. How can anyone know what is in a man's heart? Those who assume he always lies about his intent do not seem to consider that he feels compelled to act as he does because he cannot do otherwise without the people behind him, unless he wants to risk the fate of JFK.

Obama has never admitted that Assad was carefully selected based on the fact that his country is inconveniently situated between Iran and its European market, but he didn't write the script he was following. It was based on a plan developed over the years in think tanks funded by corporations that stood to benefit from control of oil and gas supplies in the Mideast and from the wars that would be essential to securing that control. The object of the plan is to assure that US-based energy interests will dominate the Mideast supply by cutting off a proposed pipeline from gas-rich fields in Iran and off the Syrian coast to Europe in a deal that would benefit Russia. And people say that Putin is just a hardass with a jones to give the US a hard time!

I guess that might be true, if you assume that American interests are synonymous with the profits of transnational oil companies, weapons manufacturers, private Armies, connected firms like Halliburton and Bechtel and God knows how many companies with extensive Pentagon and CIA connections. That's why they call it the military-industrial complex, after all. Their interests are not consistent with those of us who foot the bills for these wars, subsidies to oil companies and massive corporate welfare to all the other war pigs with their snouts in the government trough.  We have to start pointing that out every time we hear the phrase "American interests" used that way.


When I was a little kid, people were convinced the commies were gonna kill us if we didn't let the CIA do whatever it wanted without telling us. Kennedy became a threat to the Security State that served the military-industrial complex Eisenhower warned us about. In secretly negotiating with Khrushchev, ordering a withdrawal from Vietnam and announcing he intended to work toward ending the Cold War, he signed his own death warrant. Don't believe it?  In 1977, the House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded that he was killed as a result of a conspiracy, one that remains uninvestigated.

The cover up included the classification of thousands of key documents that were never released to the Warren Commission and that remained classified after 50 years. Obama refused to declassify them this year, as called for by an act of Congress after the murder.  Who can blame him? Who knows what his handlers would do if he let the public know that the people who killed Kennedy for trying to make peace still have influence to this day. Why else would Kissinger, the architect of the war Kennedy tried to stop, be chosen to head the 9/11 Commission? Thank goodness Special K was reluctant to reveal the clients who "consulted," with him, or there might have been another whitewash, right?

Everyone has a theory about why Obama amazed the world by asking Congress to do its duty and determine whether or not we should commit a premeditated act of war on a country that had not attacked us.  All of them seem to assume the worst of Obama's intentions. None acknowledge the very real danger of straying too far from the script. They fail to account for the fact that a hostage cannot simply announce he is ready to join in an attack on his captors when they have a gun pointed at his head.

Why don't we assume for the sake of hope for our future that the President may be simply waiting for the American people to make him "be the change" we need? After all, he told us in 2008 that we would have to be the change we want. Obama's willingness to encourage discussion of reversing the US policy of preemptive war at the whim of the President might just make this possible. The protests against the latest illegal war may have provided him cover. The corporatocracy does not fear the power of Presidents. It fears the power of a People united.

Now that the question will go before Congress, Americans must stand together to demand an end to neocon plans for world domination, with which neoliberals have conspired. The people of the UK have spoken through their Parliament. Now it is our turn. We need to build on the momentum of the anti-intervention movement to get people to realize that the "War on Terror" is really a war on democracy and national self-determination. We have all the ammunition that we need. The truth is even out in the mainstream press. It is easily extracted from the lies once we abandon the assumption that our government will not blatantly lie to us. Only a fool can still believe that, and most of them appear to be in Congress. It's our job to remind them of the wise saying "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice"..uh, we can't get fooled again."


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2In Defense of Obama  Empty Re: In Defense of Obama 9/4/2013, 4:26 pm

Guest


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In Defense of Obama  Th?id=H.4953429844691402&pid=1

That's right support your Noble Peace Prize warmongering war criminal darlin'...

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3In Defense of Obama  Empty Re: In Defense of Obama 9/4/2013, 6:31 pm

Yella

Yella

Floridatexan wrote:http://www.opednews.com/articles/In-defense-of-Obama-by-Rick-Staggenborg--Assassination_OBAMA-DEMOCRATIC-FUND-RAISI_Obama_Obama-A-Landslide-Winner-In-201?show=votes#allcomments

"It is fashionable for the radical left to describe President Obama as some kind of evil Bush clone. The consensus seems to be that he is personally dedicated to making sure that Sasha and Malia grow up in a world totally dominated by the kind of people who have always subjugated African-Americans and now treat all average Americans like second-class citizens. This simplistic way of looking at a man in a unique historical position should embarrass anyone who calls himself liberal. It resembles the black-and-white thinking style of Tea Party supporters.

Conservatives are having a more rational discussion of the flaws of the Obama administration than radical leftists, at least if you turn Fox off and tune into more respectable sources of conservative viewpoints. No, not Jonah Goldberg or Charles Krauthammer. Not pseudo-intellectual hack writers but genuine, thinking conservatives. The kind that pointy-headed liberals claim don't exist. You know, Americans who don't happen to agree with their basic philosophical assumptions. How do they expect to have a national discussion when they assume all conservatives are morons? They must think that even as a minority they will somehow force their views on people for whom they show contempt. The fact is, no one is going to hold the President and Congress responsible if we dismiss anyone who disagrees with us. We need to do it together, conservatives and liberals sending the same message about what we want and holding government to it. This could start with a broad-based opposition to attacking Syria.

Left-wing critics cite the fact of Obama's economic advisers being among those most responsible for the financial crisis, his promises to step up the Afghanistan War and drone bombings and his taking single payer off the table as evidence that he is totally "sold out" to corporate interests, especially the banksters. It is true that they contributed lavishly to his campaign, eventually dwarfing the amazing amount he raised from small donors. Do they think anyone could have gotten elected in 2008 without that money, let alone the post-Citizens United 2012 election? They also seem to have no idea what it takes to get anything done when you are President.

In fairness, the same criticism could be made of his unquestioning supporters. It is not enough to say that Republicans block every good thing he tried to do, so he needs to work on what is "politically possible." Nothing is possible if you don't try! He has ignored many critical issues or at best paid them lip service. A leader is supposed to persuade the People of what needs to be done to, such as addressing global climate change and establishing a rational foreign policy, two issues that are intimately related.  Of course, making this point is taboo in a political system dominated by neocons and neoliberals whose basic policies on these issues differ only in details. Republicans and Democrats do argue about whether it is good for the economy to use tax money to create jobs and whether the social safety net should be only damaged or destroyed, but these differences won't save a fundamentally flawed economy that is only going to get worse if banksters aren't brought to justice and the Trans Pacific Partnership becomes a reality.

If you aren't too angry to read on, please bear with me. I am on your side.


Representative democracy depends on citizens having a respectful conversation. Only when we can demonstrate consensus can we legitimately talk about "the will of the People," let alone "the 99%."  If we continue to divide ourselves and blame "the other side" for all the problems, Congress and the White House will continue to do as they please, regardless of poll data showing that a great majority of Americans agree on critically important issues that Congress and the President ignore for fear they will lose favor with those to whom they feel they owe their offices. They tell themselves they have no choice: they must compromise so that they can "serve the People" the best they can in a system completely corrupted by special interest money.

Today, Americans should look at President Obama's record in a whole new light. Not as all good or all bad, but judged by the standard of what may be the only viable way for the President to get in a position to "be the change that Americans need."  On Saturday, he reversed himself (okay, with equivocation) and insisted that Congress weigh in on the decision to intervene directly in Syria. That was not in the plan that Obama's handlers had. Judging from the recommendations of his national security advisers, that plan hasn't changed. They are clearly still calling for an action that would have made Bush blush. Indirect support of the al Qaeda-dominated "Free Syrian Army" will fail to topple the dictator-du-jour.  

The insane rush to war at the risk of sparking WW III may have been too much for the normally compliant President known for "leading from behind." He might have real doubts. He might have had them even before escalating the war in Afghanistan and agreeing to take part in the illegal assault of Libya. How can anyone know what is in a man's heart? Those who assume he always lies about his intent do not seem to consider that he feels compelled to act as he does because he cannot do otherwise without the people behind him, unless he wants to risk the fate of JFK.

Obama has never admitted that Assad was carefully selected based on the fact that his country is inconveniently situated between Iran and its European market, but he didn't write the script he was following. It was based on a plan developed over the years in think tanks funded by corporations that stood to benefit from control of oil and gas supplies in the Mideast and from the wars that would be essential to securing that control. The object of the plan is to assure that US-based energy interests will dominate the Mideast supply by cutting off a proposed pipeline from gas-rich fields in Iran and off the Syrian coast to Europe in a deal that would benefit Russia. And people say that Putin is just a hardass with a jones to give the US a hard time!

I guess that might be true, if you assume that American interests are synonymous with the profits of transnational oil companies, weapons manufacturers, private Armies, connected firms like Halliburton and Bechtel and God knows how many companies with extensive Pentagon and CIA connections. That's why they call it the military-industrial complex, after all. Their interests are not consistent with those of us who foot the bills for these wars, subsidies to oil companies and massive corporate welfare to all the other war pigs with their snouts in the government trough.  We have to start pointing that out every time we hear the phrase "American interests" used that way.


When I was a little kid, people were convinced the commies were gonna kill us if we didn't let the CIA do whatever it wanted without telling us. Kennedy became a threat to the Security State that served the military-industrial complex Eisenhower warned us about. In secretly negotiating with Khrushchev, ordering a withdrawal from Vietnam and announcing he intended to work toward ending the Cold War, he signed his own death warrant. Don't believe it?  In 1977, the House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded that he was killed as a result of a conspiracy, one that remains uninvestigated.

The cover up included the classification of thousands of key documents that were never released to the Warren Commission and that remained classified after 50 years. Obama refused to declassify them this year, as called for by an act of Congress after the murder.  Who can blame him? Who knows what his handlers would do if he let the public know that the people who killed Kennedy for trying to make peace still have influence to this day. Why else would Kissinger, the architect of the war Kennedy tried to stop, be chosen to head the 9/11 Commission? Thank goodness Special K was reluctant to reveal the clients who "consulted," with him, or there might have been another whitewash, right?

Everyone has a theory about why Obama amazed the world by asking Congress to do its duty and determine whether or not we should commit a premeditated act of war on a country that had not attacked us.  All of them seem to assume the worst of Obama's intentions. None acknowledge the very real danger of straying too far from the script. They fail to account for the fact that a hostage cannot simply announce he is ready to join in an attack on his captors when they have a gun pointed at his head.

Why don't we assume for the sake of hope for our future that the President may be simply waiting for the American people to make him "be the change" we need? After all, he told us in 2008 that we would have to be the change we want. Obama's willingness to encourage discussion of reversing the US policy of preemptive war at the whim of the President might just make this possible. The protests against the latest illegal war may have provided him cover. The corporatocracy does not fear the power of Presidents. It fears the power of a People united.

Now that the question will go before Congress, Americans must stand together to demand an end to neocon plans for world domination, with which neoliberals have conspired. The people of the UK have spoken through their Parliament. Now it is our turn. We need to build on the momentum of the anti-intervention movement to get people to realize that the "War on Terror" is really a war on democracy and national self-determination. We have all the ammunition that we need. The truth is even out in the mainstream press. It is easily extracted from the lies once we abandon the assumption that our government will not blatantly lie to us. Only a fool can still believe that, and most of them appear to be in Congress. It's our job to remind them of the wise saying "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice"..uh, we can't get fooled again."


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Tex, I have been a Democrat all my life and still am but Obama is way off base on this. I believe he has caved in to the Corporate Masters of War.
Obama has said that several hundred cruise missiles will be fired into Syria. The cost of a cruise missile is close to a million dollars. It is my guess that a lot more than 1400 Syrian citizens will die if this is carried out. Then there will be a Syrian response which could result in sending in the Marines. And the next war.This will be a piece of cake for the Military-Industrial-Complex.

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4In Defense of Obama  Empty Re: In Defense of Obama 9/4/2013, 6:36 pm

Nekochan

Nekochan

FloridaTexan, will he be a "war criminal", like George W. Bush?

5In Defense of Obama  Empty Re: In Defense of Obama 9/4/2013, 7:41 pm

Guest


Guest

Dear people of this forum please understand, and you know this to be true, FT has never had a single original thought ever. Her head must be imploding right now. She simply does not know where to go or what to think right now. She's lived her life defending the (D) at all cost like a good little sheep she is.

and personally.... I'm LMFAO@ her Laughing 

and I would like to point out we have a new word invented. May not be that new but I havnt really seen it. Tada.... enter the "NEOLIBERAL" lolololololol

6In Defense of Obama  Empty Re: In Defense of Obama 9/4/2013, 7:58 pm

Guest


Guest

Yella wrote:
Tex, I have been a Democrat all my life and still am but Obama is way off base on this. I believe he has caved in to the Corporate Masters of War.
Obama has said that several hundred cruise missiles will be fired into Syria. The cost of a cruise missile is close to a million dollars. It is my guess that a lot more than 1400 Syrian citizens will die if this is carried out. Then there will be a Syrian response which could result in sending in the Marines. And the next war.This will be a piece of cake for the Military-Industrial-Complex.
Try 1.5 mil per missile shot. Of course, Obama has a long way to go to catch up with the Cruisemissilemaster William Jefferson Clinton who pretty much used up an entire arsenal during his years in office.

1) He has no plan (Obama).

2) He drew a red line, said it himself, it's documented, and now guess what? It's no longer his red line and he puts CONGRESS out there to throw under the bus if he doesn't get his way. He boxed himself in with his Jaybird mouth to the point he's been writing checks his ardvaark ass cannot cash.

3) Look at his past incursion into Libya. What's there now? Desolation and lawlessness. It would have been better had we let the Libyans settle it themselves.

4) He is trying to save face and leave himself an out and someone to blame regardless of how this goes down. Do we really want a BLAMERINCHIEF in office anymore?

5) Remember Hillary asking about who you wanted on the phone at 3Am when a crisis is on the line? Well Obama has shown that she was right in her guesstimation of his inability to lead. She's crap too and failed in Benghzi, but she hit the nail on the head and got called RACIST. Obama has blown it in the Libya Op, at Benghazi, Egypt, and now with Syria he is getting ready to start a regional war with his ineptness. He is NOT respected by the Muslims across the world of which he and his handlers said would happen.

The amatuer has us on the brink of something bigger than the 56, 67, and 73 Middle East wars and he is trying to blame shift in the preliminary stages of this whole deal.



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7In Defense of Obama  Empty Re: In Defense of Obama 9/4/2013, 8:02 pm

Guest


Guest

cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers 
SeaBass wrote:Dear people of this forum please understand, and you know this to be true, FT has never had a single original thought ever. Her head must be imploding right now. She simply does not know where to go or what to think right now. She's lived her life defending the (D) at all cost like a good little sheep she is.

and personally.... I'm LMFAO@ her Laughing 

and I would like to point out we have a new word invented. May not be that new but I havnt really seen it. Tada.... enter the "NEOLIBERAL" lolololololol
cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers 

8In Defense of Obama  Empty Re: In Defense of Obama 9/4/2013, 10:09 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


I'm tired of talking to idiots. I read everything I post here from beginning to end...if I didn't think the man had something important to say, I wouldn't have bothered. The sad part is I'm starting to forget why I bother in the first place. Some people here are just pure jerks.

9In Defense of Obama  Empty Re: In Defense of Obama 9/4/2013, 10:19 pm

Guest


Guest

Floridatexan wrote:
I'm tired of talking to idiots.  I read everything I post here from beginning to end...if I didn't think the man had something important to say, I wouldn't have bothered.  The sad part is I'm starting to forget why I bother in the first place.  Some people here are just pure jerks.
In Defense of Obama  Th?id=H.4578316002069082&pid=1

So his actions mean nothing to you...

How's that working for you darlin'?

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10In Defense of Obama  Empty Re: In Defense of Obama 9/4/2013, 10:31 pm

Sal

Sal

Floridatexan wrote:
The sad part is I'm starting to forget why I bother in the first place.  Some people here are just pure jerks.
That's why. 


Beating up on idiotic wingnut jerks is it's own reward. 

11In Defense of Obama  Empty Re: In Defense of Obama 9/4/2013, 11:05 pm

Guest


Guest

Floridatexan wrote:
I'm tired of talking to idiots.  I read everything I post here from beginning to end...if I didn't think the man had something important to say, I wouldn't have bothered.  The sad part is I'm starting to forget why I bother in the first place.  Some people here are just pure jerks.

Why get bent out of shape over a man you cannot defend?

12In Defense of Obama  Empty Re: In Defense of Obama 9/4/2013, 11:10 pm

Markle

Markle

Floridatexan wrote:
I'm tired of talking to idiots.  I read everything I post here from beginning to end...if I didn't think the man had something important to say, I wouldn't have bothered.  The sad part is I'm starting to forget why I bother in the first place.  Some people here are just pure jerks.
That's simple. Even Progressives are so confused by the actions and policies of President Barack Hussein Obama that they have no clue as to his goals or intentions. President Obama is not TRUSTED.

Sane people understand that President Bashar al-Assad must be dealt with and dealt with harshly. It SHOULD have been three years ago when he began killing his citizens.

Conservatives who are opposed, in my opinion are opposed because they do not trust that President Obama can accomplish anything of consequence. He is not trusted.

Far. far left Progressives, such as Barbara Boxer and Dick Durbin both voted FOR an attack on Syria. How do the progressives here think they would have voted had Mitt Romney been in the Oval Office?

13In Defense of Obama  Empty Re: In Defense of Obama 9/4/2013, 11:16 pm

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Guest

Sal wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
The sad part is I'm starting to forget why I bother in the first place.  Some people here are just pure jerks.
That's why. 


Beating up on idiotic wingnut jerks is it's own reward. 
What you don't realize is that the far left supporting the Obama admin is losing this proposition.

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