Why do so many countries hate us?

Wordslinger wrote:

Markle wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Iceland, etc. etc. etc. our world seems to be filled with countries who hate our guts. Why?     Read the history of our imperialist foreign policy since 1898 and you'll understand.  
[...]
The good news is Americans are liked and appreciated -- it's our imperialist government that is hated.  After so many diplomatic foreign policy failures, you'd think our State Department would learn.  But that's just wishful thinking.  It's run by Amerika Inc.  No wonder we're in so many wars!

Reality.

But you have expressed your affection of countries with governments of Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, certainly China.

I do not CARE if countries like those hate us, I don't care if they LIKE us, I want them to RESPECT and FEAR us. With the administration of Barack Hussein Obama most of the World does neither.  Vladimir Putin has rubbed President Obama's, and the U.S.A.'s nose in it and enjoys every minute of the Obama administration.

Wrong again Herr Markle, North Korea's a place for men like you -- who live afraid and figure correctly that everyone's against them.

Thanks for letting us know you want people to fear you rather than like you.  What a boob!

But they have the government you pine for daily.

Markle wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:

Markle wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Iceland, etc. etc. etc. our world seems to be filled with countries who hate our guts. Why?     Read the history of our imperialist foreign policy since 1898 and you'll understand.  
[...]
The good news is Americans are liked and appreciated -- it's our imperialist government that is hated.  After so many diplomatic foreign policy failures, you'd think our State Department would learn.  But that's just wishful thinking.  It's run by Amerika Inc.  No wonder we're in so many wars!

Reality.

But you have expressed your affection of countries with governments of Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, certainly China.

I do not CARE if countries like those hate us, I don't care if they LIKE us, I want them to RESPECT and FEAR us. With the administration of Barack Hussein Obama most of the World does neither.  Vladimir Putin has rubbed President Obama's, and the U.S.A.'s nose in it and enjoys every minute of the Obama administration.

Wrong again Herr Markle, North Korea's a place for men like you -- who live afraid and figure correctly that everyone's against them.

Thanks for letting us know you want people to fear you rather than like you.  What a boob!

But they have the government you pine for daily.

markle, there are a lot of boobs here, your not one of them. however, none of those boobs are worth looking at. waste your time wisely

Wordslinger wrote:

PACEDOG#1 wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Iceland, etc. etc. etc. our world seems to be filled with countries who hate our guts. Why? Read the history of our imperialist foreign policy since 1898 and you'll understand.  

Cuba, the Philippines, Dominican Republic, Chile, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, a half dozen African nations have all suffered as our foreign policy did their stuff to steal resources, exploit third world labor, and steal our way, all the time singing our National Anthem about freedom and justice.  Ask a Saudi Citizen under the yoke of Arab potentates we've kept in power for decades because we care a helluva lot more about their oil than we do poor Arabs. Take Iran ... which we tried to do when we assassinated the country's first democratically elected leader in a CIA-led action because President Mossadegh nationalized the Iranian oil industry which had been stolen by Britain who was stealing g nearly all the profits of Iran's greatest resource.  Face it, we wanted our own piece of the action -- and screw the Iranian people who stood in our way.  So, under our leadership and money, we installed the Shah, 100% our puppet, who guaranteed the theft of his nation's oil riches, by oppressing the Iranian people with an army and secret police trained and funded by the U.S.  It's called raw imperialism -- and eventually, as it always does, the disenfranchised citizenry reaches the breaking point and poof, the Shah is out and Khameini is in, and we're amazed they kidnapped our embassy people.

Look at how we've supported coups and corrupt governments to make profits in the countries of South America.

Ask a Bangladesh seamstress how wonderful it is to work in a slave-like factory building Walmart T-shirts -- one that was built by corrupt contractors who cheated on the rebar and cement, and whose six floors of workspace have locked exit doors during the workshifts.  

Why is the history of our foreign policy overloaded with instances of our supporting tyrannical dictators in third world countries where the masses suffer from malnutrition, disease, and we train their leader's police, and even teach them our "enhanced" interrogation techniques so they can root out citizens crazy enough to wage their own revolutions?

The real America is the one who set out from the beginning to erase Native Americans in order to get all they lived on.  

The facts are, the greatest democracy in today's world has blood all over its imperialist hands -- and we're still buying off elections and supporting tyrants, in pursuit of cheap resources and labor ... because we're Amerika Inc., and they're not.

No wonder so many countries are willing to take Snowden!

Even our friends (France, England, Australia, Canada) will tell us in private, they don't like us, they tolerate us because we have money and power.  But read their books, look at their movies, talk to their people, and you'll quickly discover, these people love Americans but hate Amerika Inc.  

We still haven't learned that while we can reap profits from suppoprting tyrannical, corrupt regimes who oppress their people, eventually these folks will overthrow their oppressors -- and express their hatred for us for many years.

The good news is Americans are liked and appreciated -- it's our imperialist government that is hated.  After so many diplomatic foreign policy failures, you'd think our State Department would learn.  But that's just wishful thinking.  It's run by Amerika Inc.  No wonder we're in so many wars!

Reality.

Why don't you choose to live elsewhere then?

Not when there's a chance I can help correct the wrongs.  But, it looks like quitting is on your mind ... right?

If I was quitting I wouldn't be in the military. Really, I'll get you a C-130 ride to anywhere you want to go....one way trip.

Wordslinger wrote:Wrong again Herr Markle, North Korea's a place for men like you -- who live afraid and figure correctly that everyone's against them.

Thanks for letting us know you want people to fear you rather than like you.  What a boob!

Funny. I felt the same way about you when I read your opening post in this discussion thread.

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUnqbBgYZmI

 

Why ? Because the great Satan aka Military Industrial Congressional Complex are a bunch of greedy murdering assholes using our great country as a base of operations.

Markle wrote:

CFJ wrote:What happened to Yella's post?  This is my response.


Time to end all foreign aid. If coupled with projected DoD cuts, the savings would cover universal health care.  Close GITMO, bring the troops home from the war on terror, and start benefitting from the so called peace time dividend.

Who would fill that vacuum and how would that benefit the world wide economy and peace?
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I deleted that post because I couldn't get it to print sensibly.

This is better.  

I think a lot of this "AID" is tribute, like the U S paid the pirates of Tripoli over two hundred years ago until Jefferson and also Teddy Roosevelt sent in the Marines.

reign aid received in millions of US dollars[1]
Country 2007 2008
Afghanistan 3964.6 4865.08
Albania 306.09 385.66
Algeria 390.22 315.99
Angola 246.21 368.82
Anguilla 5.27 3.35
Antigua & Barbuda 7.38 8.22
Argentina 101.34 130.5
Armenia 350.06 302.63
Azerbaijan 225.25 235.09
Bangladesh 1514.59 2061.4
Barbados 17.51 4.83
Belarus 83.76 110.18
Belize 21.77 25.22
Benin 474.33 640.83
Bhutan 89.83 86.53
Bolivia 476.75 627.87
Bosnia-Herzegovina 452.54 482.44
Botswana 107.67 716.38
Brazil 321.2 460.36
Brunei .. ..
Burkina Faso 951.13 997.94
Burundi 475.34 508.5
Cambodia 674.52 742.81
Cameroon 1908.33 524.6
Cape Verde 165.17 218.54
Central African Republic 176.81 256.44
Chad 357.58 416.22
Chile 120.71 73.05
China 1486.84 1488.9
Taiwan .. ..
Colombia 722.82 972.01
Comoros 44.49 37.25
Congo, Dem. Rep. 1240.82 1648.32
Congo, Rep. 118.67 466.38
Costa Rica 58.15 66.12
Côte d'Ivoire 171.02 616.51
Croatia 162.91 397.47
Cuba 92.8 127.48
Djibouti 112.43 120.88
Dominica 19.41 21.86
Dominican Republic 123.12 152.64
Ecuador 217.29 230.61
Egypt 1107.16 1348.39
El Salvador 88.07 233.35
Equatorial Guinea 31.36 37.63
Eritrea 158.25 143.12
Ethiopia 2562.51 3327.46
Fiji 50.81 45.25
Gabon 51.18 54.5
Gambia 73.16 93.84
Georgia 380.14 887.71
Ghana 1153.94 1293.3
Grenada 23.05 33.04
Guatemala 454.38 536.03
Guinea 228.08 318.98
Guinea-Bissau 122.32 131.62
Guyana 127.85 165.53
Haiti 701.59 911.81
Honduras 464.34 564.33
India 1384 2107.65
Indonesia 295.68 125.21
Iran 102.36 98.36
Iraq 9185.37 9880.2
Israel 2,500.24 2,423.8
Jamaica 28.08 79.35
Jordan 529.07 742.22
Kazakhstan 204.2 332.55
Kenya 1322.51 1360.44
Kiribati 26.96 26.9
North Korea 99.29 217.69
Kyrgyzstan 274.56 359.93
Laos 396.12 495.6
Lebanon 955.93 1075.93
Liberia 700.79 1250.37
Lesotho 128.78 143.4
Libya 19.41 60.15
Macedonia 200.86 220.54
Madagascar 894.11 841.42
Malawi 742.08 912.67
Malaysia 200.04 158.21
Maldives 37.37 54.26
Mali 1019.84 963.8
Marshall Islands 52.12 53.22
Mauritania 341.89 310.68
Mauritius 68.87 109.65
Mayotte 407.24 475.3
Mexico 113.26 149.01
Micronesia, Federated States of 114.88 94.14
Moldova 266.99 298.75
Mongolia 238.63 246.46
Montenegro 105.72 106.3
Montserrat 36.33 34.74
Morocco 1072.69 1216.87
Mozambique 1778.05 1993.78
Myanmar 197.73 533.5
Namibia 217.42 206.82
Nauru 25.56 31.24
  Nepal 608.75 716.31
Nicaragua 840.34 740.72
Niger 541.75 541.75
Nigeria 1956.18 1289.78
Niue 14.77 18.04
Oman -31.3 31.92
Pakistan 2243.75 1539.36
Palau 22.34 42.94
Palestine 1872.3 2592.75
Panama -135.01 28.54
Papua New Guinea 324.45 304.38
Paraguay 107.95 133.54
Peru 259.89 465.52
Philippines 646.52 60.89
Rwanda 722.22 930.6
Samoa 37.47 39.46
São Tomé and Príncipe 35.98 47.03
Senegal 872.07 1057.72
Serbia 838.89 1046.67
Seychelles 8.73 12.08
Sierra Leone 545.29 366.82
Solomon Islands 246.05 224.32
Somalia 384.14 758.26
South Africa 807.33 1124.94
Sri Lanka 612.69 730.43
Saint Helena 44.09 65.95
St. Kitts & Nevis 3.44 46.24
St. Lucia 19.44 19.09
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 65.85 26.81
Yugoslavia (ex) 54.94 51.02
Sudan 2111.51 2383.58
Suriname 150.87 101.5
Swaziland 50.67 67.38
Syria 83.31 136.24
Tanzania 2818.45 2330.72
Thailand -312.07 -620.53
Timor-Leste 278.27 277.54
Togo 121.32 329.64
Tokelau 12.89 21.43
Tonga 30.86 25.71
Trinidad & Tobago 20.8 20.8
Tunisia 321.16 478.82
Turkey 791.89 2023.71
Turkmenistan 28.48 18.13
Tuvalu 11.74 16.62
Uganda 1736.26 1656.76
Ukraine 420.24 617.57
Uzbekistan 169.76 187.25
Vanuatu 56.69 91.67
Venezuela 77.76 59.22
Vietnam 1530.92 1680.76
Wallis and Futuna 117.11 130.53
Yemen 236.17 305.47
Zambia 998.26 1085.91
Zimbabwe 478.67 611.02
North of Sahara, regional 281.05 270.03
South of Sahara, regional 1697.66 2763.45
Africa, regional 1452.84 1321.37
North and Central America, regional 330.94 394.67
South America, regional 188.45 268.21
America, regional 559.77 1228.34
Middle East, regional 1465.67 4992.01
Central Asia, regional 248.58 283.96
South Asia, regional 104.61 156.97
South and Central Asia, regional 194.74 209.65
Far East Asia, regional 197.28 204.56
Asia, regional 989.94 1306.08
Europe, regional 500.83 829.95
Oceania, regional 154.85 363.61
West Indies, regional 68

I think this list covers just about everywhere except Lower Slobovia and the East Coast of Mars.

PACEDOG#1 wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:

PACEDOG#1 wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Iceland, etc. etc. etc. our world seems to be filled with countries who hate our guts. Why? Read the history of our imperialist foreign policy since 1898 and you'll understand.  

Cuba, the Philippines, Dominican Republic, Chile, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, a half dozen African nations have all suffered as our foreign policy did their stuff to steal resources, exploit third world labor, and steal our way, all the time singing our National Anthem about freedom and justice.  Ask a Saudi Citizen under the yoke of Arab potentates we've kept in power for decades because we care a helluva lot more about their oil than we do poor Arabs. Take Iran ... which we tried to do when we assassinated the country's first democratically elected leader in a CIA-led action because President Mossadegh nationalized the Iranian oil industry which had been stolen by Britain who was stealing g nearly all the profits of Iran's greatest resource.  Face it, we wanted our own piece of the action -- and screw the Iranian people who stood in our way.  So, under our leadership and money, we installed the Shah, 100% our puppet, who guaranteed the theft of his nation's oil riches, by oppressing the Iranian people with an army and secret police trained and funded by the U.S.  It's called raw imperialism -- and eventually, as it always does, the disenfranchised citizenry reaches the breaking point and poof, the Shah is out and Khameini is in, and we're amazed they kidnapped our embassy people.

Look at how we've supported coups and corrupt governments to make profits in the countries of South America.

Ask a Bangladesh seamstress how wonderful it is to work in a slave-like factory building Walmart T-shirts -- one that was built by corrupt contractors who cheated on the rebar and cement, and whose six floors of workspace have locked exit doors during the workshifts.  

Why is the history of our foreign policy overloaded with instances of our supporting tyrannical dictators in third world countries where the masses suffer from malnutrition, disease, and we train their leader's police, and even teach them our "enhanced" interrogation techniques so they can root out citizens crazy enough to wage their own revolutions?

The real America is the one who set out from the beginning to erase Native Americans in order to get all they lived on.  

The facts are, the greatest democracy in today's world has blood all over its imperialist hands -- and we're still buying off elections and supporting tyrants, in pursuit of cheap resources and labor ... because we're Amerika Inc., and they're not.

No wonder so many countries are willing to take Snowden!

Even our friends (France, England, Australia, Canada) will tell us in private, they don't like us, they tolerate us because we have money and power.  But read their books, look at their movies, talk to their people, and you'll quickly discover, these people love Americans but hate Amerika Inc.  

We still haven't learned that while we can reap profits from suppoprting tyrannical, corrupt regimes who oppress their people, eventually these folks will overthrow their oppressors -- and express their hatred for us for many years.

The good news is Americans are liked and appreciated -- it's our imperialist government that is hated.  After so many diplomatic foreign policy failures, you'd think our State Department would learn.  But that's just wishful thinking.  It's run by Amerika Inc.  No wonder we're in so many wars!

Reality.

Why don't you choose to live elsewhere then?

Not when there's a chance I can help correct the wrongs.  But, it looks like quitting is on your mind ... right?

If I was quitting I wouldn't be in the military. Really, I'll get you a C-130 ride to anywhere you want to go....one way trip.

Wow, you're in the militlary ... I'm truly impressed. Tell me, do you think adding corporate logos, like Boeing, GE and General Dynamics, Exxon, etc. to your bemeadled chest would be appropriate or inappropriate? Can't wait to hear your patriotic answer!

If we don't keep the laws under our founding fathers we are in trouble!

If we don't keep the laws under our founding fathers we are in trouble!


So slaves are cool and some humans only count for 2/3s. Hardly, the constitution is dynamic and always changing. We can believe at one time that separate and equal is equal, and at another time understand that it is not. We now have a Supreme Court which believes that corporations are people and they interpret the constitution........so keeping the laws under out founding fathers was never their intent.....their intent was to create a system which placed all our ideals into a framework which brings justice for all...........dynamic......not the static world of Wordslinger dictating wisdom from the Ivory tower, or the static world of Markle that all government is bad government.......in between......uncertain......is the battle of power and concepts which makes this American experience so unique in human history.

Yella wrote:

Markle wrote:

CFJ wrote:What happened to Yella's post?  This is my response.


Time to end all foreign aid. If coupled with projected DoD cuts, the savings would cover universal health care.  Close GITMO, bring the troops home from the war on terror, and start benefitting from the so called peace time dividend.

Who would fill that vacuum and how would that benefit the world wide economy and peace?
[/quote

I deleted that post because I couldn't get it to print sensibly.

This is better.  

I think a lot of this "AID" is tribute, like the U S paid the pirates of Tripoli over two hundred years ago until Jefferson and also Teddy Roosevelt sent in the Marines.

reign aid received in millions of US dollars[1]
Country 2007 2008
Afghanistan 3964.6 4865.08
Albania 306.09 385.66
Algeria 390.22 315.99
Angola 246.21 368.82
Anguilla 5.27 3.35
Antigua & Barbuda 7.38 8.22
Argentina 101.34 130.5
Armenia 350.06 302.63
Azerbaijan 225.25 235.09
Bangladesh 1514.59 2061.4
Barbados 17.51 4.83
Belarus 83.76 110.18
Belize 21.77 25.22
Benin 474.33 640.83
Bhutan 89.83 86.53
Bolivia 476.75 627.87
Bosnia-Herzegovina 452.54 482.44
Botswana 107.67 716.38
Brazil 321.2 460.36
Brunei .. ..
Burkina Faso 951.13 997.94
Burundi 475.34 508.5
Cambodia 674.52 742.81
Cameroon 1908.33 524.6
Cape Verde 165.17 218.54
Central African Republic 176.81 256.44
Chad 357.58 416.22
Chile 120.71 73.05
China 1486.84 1488.9
Taiwan .. ..
Colombia 722.82 972.01
Comoros 44.49 37.25
Congo, Dem. Rep. 1240.82 1648.32
Congo, Rep. 118.67 466.38
Costa Rica 58.15 66.12
Côte d'Ivoire 171.02 616.51
Croatia 162.91 397.47
Cuba 92.8 127.48
Djibouti 112.43 120.88
Dominica 19.41 21.86
Dominican Republic 123.12 152.64
Ecuador 217.29 230.61
Egypt 1107.16 1348.39
El Salvador 88.07 233.35
Equatorial Guinea 31.36 37.63
Eritrea 158.25 143.12
Ethiopia 2562.51 3327.46
Fiji 50.81 45.25
Gabon 51.18 54.5
Gambia 73.16 93.84
Georgia 380.14 887.71
Ghana 1153.94 1293.3
Grenada 23.05 33.04
Guatemala 454.38 536.03
Guinea 228.08 318.98
Guinea-Bissau 122.32 131.62
Guyana 127.85 165.53
Haiti 701.59 911.81
Honduras 464.34 564.33
India 1384 2107.65
Indonesia 295.68 125.21
Iran 102.36 98.36
Iraq 9185.37 9880.2
Israel 2,500.24 2,423.8
Jamaica 28.08 79.35
Jordan 529.07 742.22
Kazakhstan 204.2 332.55
Kenya 1322.51 1360.44
Kiribati 26.96 26.9
North Korea 99.29 217.69
Kyrgyzstan 274.56 359.93
Laos 396.12 495.6
Lebanon 955.93 1075.93
Liberia 700.79 1250.37
Lesotho 128.78 143.4
Libya 19.41 60.15
Macedonia 200.86 220.54
Madagascar 894.11 841.42
Malawi 742.08 912.67
Malaysia 200.04 158.21
Maldives 37.37 54.26
Mali 1019.84 963.8
Marshall Islands 52.12 53.22
Mauritania 341.89 310.68
Mauritius 68.87 109.65
Mayotte 407.24 475.3
Mexico 113.26 149.01
Micronesia, Federated States of 114.88 94.14
Moldova 266.99 298.75
Mongolia 238.63 246.46
Montenegro 105.72 106.3
Montserrat 36.33 34.74
Morocco 1072.69 1216.87
Mozambique 1778.05 1993.78
Myanmar 197.73 533.5
Namibia 217.42 206.82
Nauru 25.56 31.24
  Nepal 608.75 716.31
Nicaragua 840.34 740.72
Niger 541.75 541.75
Nigeria 1956.18 1289.78
Niue 14.77 18.04
Oman -31.3 31.92
Pakistan 2243.75 1539.36
Palau 22.34 42.94
Palestine 1872.3 2592.75
Panama -135.01 28.54
Papua New Guinea 324.45 304.38
Paraguay 107.95 133.54
Peru 259.89 465.52
Philippines 646.52 60.89
Rwanda 722.22 930.6
Samoa 37.47 39.46
São Tomé and Príncipe 35.98 47.03
Senegal 872.07 1057.72
Serbia 838.89 1046.67
Seychelles 8.73 12.08
Sierra Leone 545.29 366.82
Solomon Islands 246.05 224.32
Somalia 384.14 758.26
South Africa 807.33 1124.94
Sri Lanka 612.69 730.43
Saint Helena 44.09 65.95
St. Kitts & Nevis 3.44 46.24
St. Lucia 19.44 19.09
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 65.85 26.81
Yugoslavia (ex) 54.94 51.02
Sudan 2111.51 2383.58
Suriname 150.87 101.5
Swaziland 50.67 67.38
Syria 83.31 136.24
Tanzania 2818.45 2330.72
Thailand -312.07 -620.53
Timor-Leste 278.27 277.54
Togo 121.32 329.64
Tokelau 12.89 21.43
Tonga 30.86 25.71
Trinidad & Tobago 20.8 20.8
Tunisia 321.16 478.82
Turkey 791.89 2023.71
Turkmenistan 28.48 18.13
Tuvalu 11.74 16.62
Uganda 1736.26 1656.76
Ukraine 420.24 617.57
Uzbekistan 169.76 187.25
Vanuatu 56.69 91.67
Venezuela 77.76 59.22
Vietnam 1530.92 1680.76
Wallis and Futuna 117.11 130.53
Yemen 236.17 305.47
Zambia 998.26 1085.91
Zimbabwe 478.67 611.02
North of Sahara, regional 281.05 270.03
South of Sahara, regional 1697.66 2763.45
Africa, regional 1452.84 1321.37
North and Central America, regional 330.94 394.67
South America, regional 188.45 268.21
America, regional 559.77 1228.34
Middle East, regional 1465.67 4992.01
Central Asia, regional 248.58 283.96
South Asia, regional 104.61 156.97
South and Central Asia, regional 194.74 209.65
Far East Asia, regional 197.28 204.56
Asia, regional 989.94 1306.08
Europe, regional 500.83 829.95
Oceania, regional 154.85 363.61
West Indies, regional 68

I think this list covers just about everywhere except Lower Slobovia and the East Coast of Mars.

Was there a point to this?

Markle wrote:

Was there a point to this?

I can tell you one point that what yella put in his post makes loud and clear.
That this is now a racket which has gone on for many decades and done under the control of either political party and regardless of which one held the white house or the congress.
It's more like a mafia than a government. Or more like the labor union version of the mafia. The leaders are living high off the hog of the rank and file.
Sure, they throw the rank and file a dog treat every month, and maybe a cellphone too. But the real money is still found at the top. Not at the bottom. And sadly, since the "middle" is losing ground so fast, not there anymore either.

But even though we're all declining and there's not enough money to keep the white house tour going, we are still seeing that godawful pile of money being fleeced out of pockets seen on yella's list.

Bob wrote:

Markle wrote:

Was there a point to this?

I can tell you one point that what yella put in his post makes loud and clear.
That this is now a racket which has gone on for many decades and done under the control of either political party and regardless of which one held the white house or the congress.  
It's more like a mafia than a government.  Or more like the labor union version of the mafia.  The leaders are living high off the hog of the rank and file.
Sure,  they throw the rank and file a dog treat every month,  and maybe a cellphone too.  But the real money is still found at the top.  Not at the bottom.  And sadly,  since the "middle" is losing ground so fast,  not there anymore either.

But even though we're all declining and there's not enough money to keep the white house tour going,  we are still seeing that godawful pile of money being fleeced out of pockets seen on yella's list.

Yella was incapable of answering my simple question and you dodge it as well.

Try hard now, this isn't complicated.

Who would fill the vacuum and how would that benefit America?

Bob wrote:

Markle wrote:

Was there a point to this?

I can tell you one point that what yella put in his post makes loud and clear.
That this is now a racket which has gone on for many decades and done under the control of either political party and regardless of which one held the white house or the congress.  
It's more like a mafia than a government.  Or more like the labor union version of the mafia.  The leaders are living high off the hog of the rank and file.
Sure,  they throw the rank and file a dog treat every month,  and maybe a cellphone too.  But the real money is still found at the top.  Not at the bottom.  And sadly,  since the "middle" is losing ground so fast,  not there anymore either.

But even though we're all declining and there's not enough money to keep the white house tour going,  we are still seeing that godawful pile of money being fleeced out of pockets seen on yella's list.

We are going the way of the Roman Empire. Two many satellite nations that depend upon our money, some of which probably does help the poor and downtrodden but the lion's share goes to the LIONS.

All this while we are failing here in our own country as the wealthy getting wealthier and the jobless going hungry. Corporate rule makes sure that all efforts to go green fail because they are the Fossil Fuel Pharoahs and it will stay that way as long as lour Congress is paid under the table to do things only advantageous to Fossil Fuels.  All this while the Health Industry racks up billions and also pays for their own interests especially the Repeal of Obamacare.  Did I mention the Pharmaceutical Corporations? Yep they are also busy. All the while our Congress is socking money away big time.

Anybody else fed up with no idea how to stop it?

Frankly, my comment didn't mention that we should stop funding Egypt.  However, if we did stop, it wouldn't be a European Union nation who took over, and certainly, except for Qatar and maybe Saudi Arabia, it wouldn't be an Arab country.  Iran doesn't have the money.  It might be Russia or China who would take over the investment -- how would this help America?

For one thing, we could use the money to offer scholarships to colleges for students who can't afford the new high percentage tuition loans.

We could use the money to combat global warming ...

Or to fund women's health care clinics.

We could bail out homeowners who are still underwater.

We could provide IDs for black voters in all the Southern states.

We could raise the salary of teachers instead of basketball players.

We could fix decrepit bridges, tunnels and roads.

And all of those things would help America!!   LOL

Markle wrote:

Yella wrote:

Markle wrote:

CFJ wrote:What happened to Yella's post?  This is my response.


Time to end all foreign aid. If coupled with projected DoD cuts, the savings would cover universal health care.  Close GITMO, bring the troops home from the war on terror, and start benefitting from the so called peace time dividend.

Who would fill that vacuum and how would that benefit the world wide economy and peace?
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I deleted that post because I couldn't get it to print sensibly.

This is better.  

I think a lot of this "AID" is tribute, like the U S paid the pirates of Tripoli over two hundred years ago until Jefferson and also Teddy Roosevelt sent in the Marines.

reign aid received in millions of US dollars[1]
Country 2007 2008
Afghanistan 3964.6 4865.08
Albania 306.09 385.66
Algeria 390.22 315.99
Angola 246.21 368.82
Anguilla 5.27 3.35
Antigua & Barbuda 7.38 8.22
Argentina 101.34 130.5
Armenia 350.06 302.63
Azerbaijan 225.25 235.09
Bangladesh 1514.59 2061.4
Barbados 17.51 4.83
Belarus 83.76 110.18
Belize 21.77 25.22
Benin 474.33 640.83
Bhutan 89.83 86.53
Bolivia 476.75 627.87
Bosnia-Herzegovina 452.54 482.44
Botswana 107.67 716.38
Brazil 321.2 460.36
Brunei .. ..
Burkina Faso 951.13 997.94
Burundi 475.34 508.5
Cambodia 674.52 742.81
Cameroon 1908.33 524.6
Cape Verde 165.17 218.54
Central African Republic 176.81 256.44
Chad 357.58 416.22
Chile 120.71 73.05
China 1486.84 1488.9
Taiwan .. ..
Colombia 722.82 972.01
Comoros 44.49 37.25
Congo, Dem. Rep. 1240.82 1648.32
Congo, Rep. 118.67 466.38
Costa Rica 58.15 66.12
Côte d'Ivoire 171.02 616.51
Croatia 162.91 397.47
Cuba 92.8 127.48
Djibouti 112.43 120.88
Dominica 19.41 21.86
Dominican Republic 123.12 152.64
Ecuador 217.29 230.61
Egypt 1107.16 1348.39
El Salvador 88.07 233.35
Equatorial Guinea 31.36 37.63
Eritrea 158.25 143.12
Ethiopia 2562.51 3327.46
Fiji 50.81 45.25
Gabon 51.18 54.5
Gambia 73.16 93.84
Georgia 380.14 887.71
Ghana 1153.94 1293.3
Grenada 23.05 33.04
Guatemala 454.38 536.03
Guinea 228.08 318.98
Guinea-Bissau 122.32 131.62
Guyana 127.85 165.53
Haiti 701.59 911.81
Honduras 464.34 564.33
India 1384 2107.65
Indonesia 295.68 125.21
Iran 102.36 98.36
Iraq 9185.37 9880.2
Israel 2,500.24 2,423.8
Jamaica 28.08 79.35
Jordan 529.07 742.22
Kazakhstan 204.2 332.55
Kenya 1322.51 1360.44
Kiribati 26.96 26.9
North Korea 99.29 217.69
Kyrgyzstan 274.56 359.93
Laos 396.12 495.6
Lebanon 955.93 1075.93
Liberia 700.79 1250.37
Lesotho 128.78 143.4
Libya 19.41 60.15
Macedonia 200.86 220.54
Madagascar 894.11 841.42
Malawi 742.08 912.67
Malaysia 200.04 158.21
Maldives 37.37 54.26
Mali 1019.84 963.8
Marshall Islands 52.12 53.22
Mauritania 341.89 310.68
Mauritius 68.87 109.65
Mayotte 407.24 475.3
Mexico 113.26 149.01
Micronesia, Federated States of 114.88 94.14
Moldova 266.99 298.75
Mongolia 238.63 246.46
Montenegro 105.72 106.3
Montserrat 36.33 34.74
Morocco 1072.69 1216.87
Mozambique 1778.05 1993.78
Myanmar 197.73 533.5
Namibia 217.42 206.82
Nauru 25.56 31.24
  Nepal 608.75 716.31
Nicaragua 840.34 740.72
Niger 541.75 541.75
Nigeria 1956.18 1289.78
Niue 14.77 18.04
Oman -31.3 31.92
Pakistan 2243.75 1539.36
Palau 22.34 42.94
Palestine 1872.3 2592.75
Panama -135.01 28.54
Papua New Guinea 324.45 304.38
Paraguay 107.95 133.54
Peru 259.89 465.52
Philippines 646.52 60.89
Rwanda 722.22 930.6
Samoa 37.47 39.46
São Tomé and Príncipe 35.98 47.03
Senegal 872.07 1057.72
Serbia 838.89 1046.67
Seychelles 8.73 12.08
Sierra Leone 545.29 366.82
Solomon Islands 246.05 224.32
Somalia 384.14 758.26
South Africa 807.33 1124.94
Sri Lanka 612.69 730.43
Saint Helena 44.09 65.95
St. Kitts & Nevis 3.44 46.24
St. Lucia 19.44 19.09
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 65.85 26.81
Yugoslavia (ex) 54.94 51.02
Sudan 2111.51 2383.58
Suriname 150.87 101.5
Swaziland 50.67 67.38
Syria 83.31 136.24
Tanzania 2818.45 2330.72
Thailand -312.07 -620.53
Timor-Leste 278.27 277.54
Togo 121.32 329.64
Tokelau 12.89 21.43
Tonga 30.86 25.71
Trinidad & Tobago 20.8 20.8
Tunisia 321.16 478.82
Turkey 791.89 2023.71
Turkmenistan 28.48 18.13
Tuvalu 11.74 16.62
Uganda 1736.26 1656.76
Ukraine 420.24 617.57
Uzbekistan 169.76 187.25
Vanuatu 56.69 91.67
Venezuela 77.76 59.22
Vietnam 1530.92 1680.76
Wallis and Futuna 117.11 130.53
Yemen 236.17 305.47
Zambia 998.26 1085.91
Zimbabwe 478.67 611.02
North of Sahara, regional 281.05 270.03
South of Sahara, regional 1697.66 2763.45
Africa, regional 1452.84 1321.37
North and Central America, regional 330.94 394.67
South America, regional 188.45 268.21
America, regional 559.77 1228.34
Middle East, regional 1465.67 4992.01
Central Asia, regional 248.58 283.96
South Asia, regional 104.61 156.97
South and Central Asia, regional 194.74 209.65
Far East Asia, regional 197.28 204.56
Asia, regional 989.94 1306.08
Europe, regional 500.83 829.95
Oceania, regional 154.85 363.61
West Indies, regional 68

I think this list covers just about everywhere except Lower Slobovia and the East Coast of Mars.

Was there a point to this?

You're getting close, Herr Markle: His point is that there is no point to our foreign policy which seeks political leverage against almost everyone. One thing for sure, just like the corporations and munitions-manufacturers who fund the campaigns of our politicians, there are always strings attached when we give anyone money.

Screw Amerika Inc.!!

Wordslinger wrote:Frankly, my comment didn't mention that we should stop funding Egypt.  However, if we did stop, it wouldn't be a European Union nation who took over, and certainly, except for Qatar and maybe Saudi Arabia, it wouldn't be an Arab country.  Iran doesn't have the money.  It might be Russia or China who would take over the investment -- how would this help America?

For one thing, we could use the money to offer scholarships to colleges for students who can't afford the new high percentage tuition loans.

We could use the money to combat global warming ...

Or to fund women's health care clinics.

We could bail out homeowners who are still underwater.

We could provide IDs for black voters in all the Southern states.

We could raise the salary of teachers instead of basketball players.

We could fix decrepit bridges, tunnels and roads.

And all of those things would help America!!   LOL

Exactly what Russia and China would love.  Payback for President Ronald Reagan tearing down the wall between East and West Germany and collapsing the U.S.S.R..  President Reagan also strongly advised against running a critical gas line through the Ukraine where Russia would have control.  President Reagan's concerns came to fruition when Russia and the Ukraine cut off gas supplies to Europe in the dead of winter.

Europeans shiver as Russia cuts gas shipments

Major pipelines through Ukraine closed over pricing dispute

updated 1/7/2009 10:26:13 AM ET

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28515983/ns/world_news-europe/t/europeans-shiver-russia-cuts-gas-shipments/

As for the wonder and glory which would await us.  You know, after Russia would cut off oil to our country from the Middle East, strangling us with higher prices after they destroy Israel.

Your wish list is just that, it's even a phony wish list.

From your wish list:
For one thing, we could use the money to offer scholarships to colleges for students who can't afford the new high percentage tuition loans.
Giving less government money would reduce tuitions.  Community Colleges cut costs as do trades schools.

We could use the money to combat global warming ...
There is no global warming, the East Anglia University Scandal proved that point.

Or to fund women's health care clinics.
Women's care clinics are funded.  We could improve it by splitting Planned Parenthood apart.  Planned Parenthood would perform no abortions and REALLY provide women's health care and be eligible for taxpayer money. The other side, could be known as ABORTIONS 'R' US, it would not accept any taxpayer dollars and only provide abortions.  They pay their way on individual donations and the fee's they collect for their services.

We could bail out homeowners who are still underwater.
Underwater homeowners got their being greedy.  Each and every one expected to make a killing.  They did not.  That's not my fault.  Charge it to Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who, you can't make these things up, wrote the legislation cleaning up that mess.  All President Obama's subsidy for first time homeowners did was increase prices, for a few months, resulting THOSE home going underwater within months as prices continued down.

We could provide IDs for black voters in all the Southern states.
If they do not have a drivers license, the ID's are free.  I think it's Georgia will even make house calls.

We could raise the salary of teachers instead of basketball players.
A better idea, that would actually IMPROVE education would be to slash the control and power of the Teachers Unions.  Teacher's know what the pay scale is for 9 months work from the day they start teacher school.  Millions upon millions of people can be good teachers in a variety of subjects.  Many who are not "certified teachers".  THAT is why their pay is what it is, which is quite generous considering job.  Then we need to return real discipline to the schools and actually allow student to FAIL or be THROWN OUT!

Also, encourage the use of vouchers for kids stuck in failing schools and charter schools.  But as is

It is literally physically and mentally IMPOSSIBLE for millions of people to become top rated professional basketball players, football players, NASCAR Drivers, NHRA Drivers.  THAT's why they get paid so much, it is competition.  Same for performing brain surgery and other medical procedures.

We could fix decrepit bridges, tunnels and roads.
Most "decrepit bridges, tunnels and roads" are the responsibility of the local government to come out of their gas taxes.  If the Federal Government had not dumped so many unfunded mandates on state governments.

Of course your way with Socialism would have us at the level of Cuba, North Korea or Greece.  No opportunity for great reward, no great effort. Fearing Russia or China might cut off our oil if we don't behave.

Markle wrote:
There is no global warming, the East Anglia University Scandal proved that point.

That didn't "prove there is no global warming", markel.

Anyone here who believes that should learn more about it all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy

A shortage of water will eventually become a serious problem. We need to start research and development of desalinization of seawater before its too late.

I doubt if the big corporations will allow it since there is no great profit in that sort of endeavor.

Florida isn't a bad place to live when there is a shortage of water.

Nekochan wrote:Florida isn't a bad place to live when there is a shortage of water.

Yeah I don't think it's ever going to stop raining here. When did we become a rain forest?

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Florida isn't a bad place to live when there is a shortage of water.

Yeah I don't think it's ever going to stop raining here. When did we become a rain forest?

LOL, you're getting it more in Northwest FL than we are here in Northeast FL. But at least we're not in danger of any drought conditions anytime soon.

Bob wrote:

Markle wrote:
There is no global warming, the East Anglia University Scandal proved that point.

That didn't "prove there is no global warming",  markel.

Anyone here who believes that should learn more about it all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy

Sorry, Wiki is not a serious source for anything controversial. Whoever edits last, wins.

As you know, Professor Phil Jones was the center of the Global Warming Scam at East Anglia University. Their program was considered the epitome of Global Warming Information. The disclosure of thousands of e-mails proving their efforts to conceal information discredit and even prevent opposing views from being published has wrecked the scam, hopefully forever. Data used by the United Nations IPCC findings came from EAU.

14th February, 2010

Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995

Data for vital 'hockey stick graph' has gone missing (it has now been disclosed that all the “raw data” was DUMPED!

There has been no global warming since 1995

Warming periods have happened before - but NOT due to man-made changes

Phil Jones admitted his record keeping is 'not as good as it should be.

WHAT????

[…]

Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.

And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.

Phil Jones has said that he considered suicide for his part in this worldwide scam.

Let us also recall: The e-mails leaked in the fall of 2009 allow us to trace the machinations of a small but influential band of British and US climate scientists who played the lead role in the IPCC reports. It appears that this group, which controlled access to basic temperature data, was able to produce a "warming" by manipulating the analysis of the data, but refused to share information on the basic data or details of their analysis with independent scientists who requested them -- in violation of Freedom of Information laws. In fact, they went so far as to keep any dissenting views from being published -- by monopolizing the peer-review process, aided by ideologically cooperative editors of prestigious journals, like Science and Nature.

We learn from the e-mails that the ClimateGate gang was able to "hide the decline" [of global temperature] by applying what they termed as "tricks," and that they intimidated editors and forced out those judged to be "uncooperative." No doubt, thorough investigations, now in progress or planned, will disclose the full range of their nefarious activities. But it is clear that this small cabal was able to convince much of the world that climate disasters were impending -- unless drastic steps were taken. Not only were most of the media, public, and politicians misled, but so were many scientists, national academies of science, and professional organizations -- and even the Norwegian committee that awarded the 2007 Peace Prize to the IPCC and Al Gore, the chief apostle of climate alarmism.

Read more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html#ixzz0fa67A02t

Yella wrote:A shortage of water will eventually become a serious problem. We need to start research and development of desalinization of seawater before its too late.

I doubt if the big corporations will allow it since there is no great profit in that sort of endeavor.

There are a number of resorts in the Florida Keys which have their own desalinization plants and recycle sewage water for landscaping etc..  Florida City put in a large system a few years back.  I believe it was $30 million or in that area.  Florida City, I believe, still pumps water down to Key West.  Many old homes down there have very large cisterns too.