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Firearm legislation introduced would ban most handguns, requires registration.

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Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:

Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
120 specifically-named firearms
Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic
Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds

Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:
Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test
Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test
Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans
Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment
Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and
Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons
Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
Background check of owner and any transferee;
Type and serial number of the firearm;
Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration


http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons

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[quote="alecto"]

Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:

Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
120 specifically-named firearms
Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic
Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds

Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:
Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test
Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test
Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans
Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment
Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and
Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons
Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
Background check of owner and any transferee;
Type and serial number of the firearm;
Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration


http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons[/quote

The new Socialist Manifesto from Commrade Feinstein!....Can see an image of assorted criminals suddenly lining up to turn in their illegal firearms....This from the same group (Senate) that has done nothing for four years to benefit the economy...

2seaoat



This legislation may feel good, but it does nothing to make sure every weapon in America is registered, and foid cards are smart cards with dynamic gun possession information. Register cars and register guns.......this is not rocket science. Once that is done then discuss how safety can be improved. Passing this bill is a joke.

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I foresee a filibuster.

gulfbeachbandit

gulfbeachbandit

I hid one of my guns in a cereal box in the kitchen cabinet so the feds can't find it. SShhhhh, don't tell anyone. It'll be our secret.

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Multiple acres of land and PVC pipe are the solution to the gun grab by the Feds.

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2seaoat wrote:This legislation may feel good, but it does nothing to make sure every weapon in America is registered, and foid cards are smart cards with dynamic gun possession information. Register cars and register guns.......this is not rocket science. Once that is done then discuss how safety can be improved. Passing this bill is a joke.

After that stunt in New York registration will never happen. I would never register a firearm that the government can track. Same goes with RFID tagging. Will never comply with it if it became law.

2seaoat



After that stunt in New York registration will never happen. I would never register a firearm that the government can track. Same goes with RFID tagging. Will never comply with it if it became law.

I have heard of people arguing that 12 year old girls are of the age of consent and they will have sex with them despite what the government wants to do.....I am certain that they believe they are right also......intentional criminal conduct can always be justified in the mind of the criminal.....heck....many a time I have said I will not file an income tax return, or stop at a silly stop sign.........and for each of my choices there are consequences.....it is a wonderful country.....you too have the freedom to choose, and the government has the freedom to respond.

stormwatch89

stormwatch89

alecto wrote:
2seaoat wrote:This legislation may feel good, but it does nothing to make sure every weapon in America is registered, and foid cards are smart cards with dynamic gun possession information. Register cars and register guns.......this is not rocket science. Once that is done then discuss how safety can be improved. Passing this bill is a joke.

After that stunt in New York registration will never happen. I would never register a firearm that the government can track. Same goes with RFID tagging. Will never comply with it if it became law.

Agreed, Alecto!

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2seaoat wrote:After that stunt in New York registration will never happen. I would never register a firearm that the government can track. Same goes with RFID tagging. Will never comply with it if it became law.

I have heard of people arguing that 12 year old girls are of the age of consent and they will have sex with them despite what the government wants to do.....I am certain that they believe they are right also......intentional criminal conduct can always be justified in the mind of the criminal.....heck....many a time I have said I will not file an income tax return, or stop at a silly stop sign.........and for each of my choices there are consequences.....it is a wonderful country.....you too have the freedom to choose, and the government has the freedom to respond.



Equivocating the need to keep firearm information private with pedophilia? Wow ! That's a stretch.

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2seaoat wrote:After that stunt in New York registration will never happen. I would never register a firearm that the government can track. Same goes with RFID tagging. Will never comply with it if it became law.

I have heard of people arguing that 12 year old girls are of the age of consent and they will have sex with them despite what the government wants to do.....I am certain that they believe they are right also......intentional criminal conduct can always be justified in the mind of the criminal.....heck....many a time I have said I will not file an income tax return, or stop at a silly stop sign.........and for each of my choices there are consequences.....it is a wonderful country.....you too have the freedom to choose, and the government has the freedom to respond.

Those are ridiculously stupid analogies. How would a national firearm registry prevent crime? The only thing a national registry will do is persecute law abiding citizens and will not prevent crime, so why have it?



2seaoat



Why bother to register autos? What possible purpose could such a measure be mandated on folks who should be able to own any type of vehicle and drive the same on the public roads. What is the cost for those vehicles in societal terms, and even as simple of a calculation of the cost of maintaining our roads. Why register a truck.....why even bother to have weight limitations and restrictions. When was the last time you heard somebody go into the County building and say......golly you folks are not getting into my business, and I will be damned if you are going to mess with my boat or car.

How many 9 year olds are going to be asking why they cannot drive a semi.....heck, it is none of the state's business.....and there are many 9 year olds who probably could drive a truck....so why restrict them, or require them to be licensed and registered?

How is the act of registering a car or a gun taking someone's right away? I have been around guns my whole life, I have hunted, done trap, skeet, and target shot for recreation and not once would the people I have hunted with or shot with have a problem registering their weapons.......with the exception of some folks I know who have some nasty stuff that they are afraid someone is going to take away from them.........kind of like the time I was canoeing and I looked up and this septic truck was dumping his load in the river as we turned the bend......no license.....no safety net.....just dump the crap in the river.....we don't need no stinking rules......and if a fully automatic military weapon is in my possession......its none of your business.

Gunz......why do I need stinking fire alarms.....its my life.....and oh that business I own.....why do I need to tag my extinguishers.......oh and sprinkler systems for hotels.......nonsense.......a modern hotel burning is a long shot....(MGM)......building codes.....why can't I build my house the way I want to......why can't we build the bridges as cheaply as possible.....Everyday we face restrictions imposed on us collectively to protect and provide for the general welfare of our citizens......it never was a zero sum game.

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2seaoat wrote:Why bother to register autos? What possible purpose could such a measure be mandated on folks who should be able to own any type of vehicle and drive the same on the public roads. What is the cost for those vehicles in societal terms, and even as simple of a calculation of the cost of maintaining our roads. Why register a truck.....why even bother to have weight limitations and restrictions. When was the last time you heard somebody go into the County building and say......golly you folks are not getting into my business, and I will be damned if you are going to mess with my boat or car.

How many 9 year olds are going to be asking why they cannot drive a semi.....heck, it is none of the state's business.....and there are many 9 year olds who probably could drive a truck....so why restrict them, or require them to be licensed and registered?

How is the act of registering a car or a gun taking someone's right away? I have been around guns my whole life, I have hunted, done trap, skeet, and target shot for recreation and not once would the people I have hunted with or shot with have a problem registering their weapons.......with the exception of some folks I know who have some nasty stuff that they are afraid someone is going to take away from them.........kind of like the time I was canoeing and I looked up and this septic truck was dumping his load in the river as we turned the bend......no license.....no safety net.....just dump the crap in the river.....we don't need no stinking rules......and if a fully automatic military weapon is in my possession......its none of your business.

Gunz......why do I need stinking fire alarms.....its my life.....and oh that business I own.....why do I need to tag my extinguishers.......oh and sprinkler systems for hotels.......nonsense.......a modern hotel burning is a long shot....(MGM)......building codes.....why can't I build my house the way I want to......why can't we build the bridges as cheaply as possible.....Everyday we face restrictions imposed on us collectively to protect and provide for the general welfare of our citizens......it never was a zero sum game.

Pretty long reply just to dodge a question. Once again. Why do we need a national firearm registry? What purpose would it serve? How would it prevent crime? How would a national firearm registry have prevented the sandy hook or any other massacre? How will a national firearm registry stop a robbery? How will a national firearm registry stop a car jacking? How will a national firearm registry stop a murder?

How will a national firearm registry stop anything except a citizens right to own a firearm. These senators want a ban on "Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic. Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds" the only way that ban would be effective is if they had a national firearm registry because then all they have to do is go door to door collecting banned firearms from law abiding citizens. So what happens when the government decides to ban every firearm except single shot .22 LR's?

2seaoat



We cannot implement any safety regulation until we implement non intrusive safety technology in guns. Just like the mandated safety features in autos, we can save lives. People who are not legally possessing a firearm with proper technological standards will be restricted from easily firing, or transporting weapons. Biometric trigger locks and chipped weapons tied into smart foid cards is a no brainer. .......How exactly will the registration, safety features, and dynamic foid cards make your life miserable? If you own guns legally, they are registered, and you have a current foid card......what exactly is the problem?

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Any law that runs contrary to the constitution..that dusty old law of the land, is invalid from its inception. It is an affront to justice and deserves to have it's promulgators flogged and imprisoned. What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you techno-fascists NOT understand ?

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:




mi·li·tia
[mi-lish-uh]
noun
1.
a body of citizens enrolled for military service, and called out periodically for drill but serving full time only in emergencies.
2.
a body of citizen soldiers as distinguished from professional soldiers.
3.
all able-bodied males considered by law eligible for military service.
4.
a body of citizens organized in a paramilitary group and typically regarding themselves as defenders of individual rights against the presumed interference of the federal government.



in·fringe
[in-frinj] verb, in·fringed, in·fring·ing.
verb (used with object)
1.
to commit a breach or infraction of; violate or transgress: to infringe a copyright; to infringe a rule.
verb (used without object)
2.
to encroach or trespass (usually followed by on or upon ): Don't infringe on his privacy.
Origin:
1525–35; < Latin infringere to break, weaken, equivalent to in- in-2 + -fringere, combining form of frangere to break





bear
1 [bair] verb, bore or ( Archaic ) bare; borne or born; bear·ing.
verb (used with object)
1.
to hold up; support: to bear the weight of the roof.
2.
to hold or remain firm under (a load): The roof will not bear the strain of his weight.
3.
to bring forth (young); give birth to: to bear a child.
4.
to produce by natural growth: a tree that bears fruit.
5.
to hold up under; be capable of: His claim doesn't bear close examination.

PBulldog2

PBulldog2

Two questions:

Will they expect law-abiding gun owners to give their weapons back to the government?

What will happen if the government tries to do this?

It worries me.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Rights don't come from the government. If something called government tries to take away a peoples rights then it is not a government but strong-arm robbery by criminals posing as government and should be dealt with as such.....Teo

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:Rights don't come from the government. If something called government tries to take away a peoples rights then it is not a government but strong-arm robbery by criminals posing as government and should be dealt with as such.....Teo

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Will all law-abiding citizens who refuse to turn in their guns then become classified as criminals?

2seaoat



Any law that runs contrary to the constitution..that dusty old law of the land, is invalid from its inception. It is an affront to justice and deserves to have it's promulgators flogged and imprisoned. What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you techno-fascists NOT understand ?


The Courts interpret what is constitutional....not our motley crew of scholars......and clearly the Supreme Court has allowed restrictions and regulations on gun ownership in all their decisions for the last 50 years. To suggest that gun registration is unconstitutional is simply incorrect. To suggest that a City like Chicago can ban handgun possession in the Manner which they did is constitutional.....nope.....the SThe Fourteenth Amendment makes the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms fully applicable to the States.upreme Court said that was a violation of the second amendment.

Folks under 21 owning hand guns as recently as October of this year the courts said that restrictions were constitutional:


The Supremes since the passage of the 14th amendment have argued that
The Fourteenth Amendment makes the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms fully applicable to the States.

Explaining that “the needfor defense of self, family, and property is most acute” in the home, ibid., the Court found that this right applies to handguns because they are “the most preferred firearm in the nation to ‘keep’ and use for protection of one’s home and family,” id., at ___, ___–___. It thus concluded that citizens must be permitted “to use [handguns] for the core lawful purpose of self-defense.” Id., at ___. Heller also clarifies that this right is “deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradi-tions,” Glucksberg, supra, at 721. Heller explored the right’s origins in English law and noted the esteem with which the right was re-garded during the colonial era and at the time of the ratification ofthe Bill of Rights.

The courts very clearly have for 100 years allowed for classification systems which interface with the bill of rights and restrict those rights. When a particular right is deemed fundamental as is the case of the 2nd amendment right to bear arms, the state cannot merely propose a manner of classification which outright bans something without showing a COMPELLING STATE INTEREST[b] which in the recent Supreme Court Cases in DC and Chicago the Court found that these regulations could not be justified with a compelling state interest when the tenets of self defense and constitutional protection are clear. However.....there is nothing which says that under the 14th amendment that some regulations will in fact meet the court's long established burden, and the recent cases which restrict handgun ownership under 21 years of age are clear that the 2nd amendment rights and their application to the states under the 14th amendment are not absolute rights. Professor T needs to either make a good faith attempt to read the Supreme Court rulings and understand the same, or at least have the integrity to admit that he does not believe the Supreme Court has the right to interpret the Constitution, and therein save of us the time of attempting to have an intelligent conversation of the limits of government.

2seaoat



Will all law-abiding citizens who refuse to turn in their guns then become classified as criminals?

The Supreme Court has made it very clear......crystal clear. The ownership of a handgun(this definition may be up for interpretation) is guaranteed by the American public for self defense. The DC case was crystal clear. What is not clear is whether the Court will allow large magazine and drum like feeds to those hand guns. My guess is that over the next 50 years if you own a shotgun, handgun, or rifle.....there is less than 1% chance that anybody will be required to turn in their gun.......unless you are a felon, or have an active domestic order restraining your ownership. This idea that talking about gun safety is a zero sum game.....all or nothing.......is simply the province of the fear mongering folks who do not want legitimate discussions of gun safety. Responsible gun owners all over this country have had enough of this all or nothing mentality when clearly the Supreme Court is protecting our rights under the constitution to keep our small arms.

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2seaoat wrote:Will all law-abiding citizens who refuse to turn in their guns then become classified as criminals?

The Supreme Court has made it very clear......crystal clear. The ownership of a handgun(this definition may be up for interpretation) is guaranteed by the American public for self defense. The DC case was crystal clear. What is not clear is whether the Court will allow large magazine and drum like feeds to those hand guns. My guess is that over the next 50 years if you own a shotgun, handgun, or rifle.....there is less than 1% chance that anybody will be required to turn in their gun.......unless you are a felon, or have an active domestic order restraining your ownership. This idea that talking about gun safety is a zero sum game.....all or nothing.......is simply the province of the fear mongering folks who do not want legitimate discussions of gun safety. Responsible gun owners all over this country have had enough of this all or nothing mentality when clearly the Supreme Court is protecting our rights under the constitution to keep our small arms.

So then why is the current administration wanting a ban on semi automatic handguns, wouldn't that defy the Supreme Courts rulings?

2seaoat



So then why is the current administration wanting a ban on semi automatic handguns, wouldn't that defy the Supreme Courts rulings?


Please show me that recommendation from the Obama administration. My understanding was that they were going to make a recommendation in the next month. I might be mistaken and missed this in the news cycle, but I will tell you that the Supreme Court will rule in favor on restrictions on the number of bullets a handgun or rifle can carry. I am not saying where the line will be drawn.....I am only saying that the courts will enforce a well defined line drawing on capacities.......but again if you have a link, I will better be able to respond if the recommendation appears to overstep.

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2seaoat wrote:So then why is the current administration wanting a ban on semi automatic handguns, wouldn't that defy the Supreme Courts rulings?


Please show me that recommendation from the Obama administration. My understanding was that they were going to make a recommendation in the next month. I might be mistaken and missed this in the news cycle, but I will tell you that the Supreme Court will rule in favor on restrictions on the number of bullets a handgun or rifle can carry. I am not saying where the line will be drawn.....I am only saying that the courts will enforce a well defined line drawing on capacities.......but again if you have a link, I will better be able to respond if the recommendation appears to overstep.

I apologize I meant to say democratic senators as to the senator in the link I provided at the beginning of this thread. So hard to tell these people apart anymore.

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