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Trollism The disease and the cure.

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Don't feed the Troll


“”if you spend a great deal of your time pretending to be an asshole to get a reaction from people...you aren't pretending. You are an asshole.
—Ed Brayton[1]

Although originally a non-offensive reference to fishing by trolling for input/feedback on ideas, people quickly viewed this as spam which led to personal attacks later leading to the more common and largely incorrect view that a troll, in Internetspeak, refers to an entity which involves itself in discussions purely for the purpose of disturbing other users and making itself feel important. Because trolls take away from productive work, the standard response is to starve the troll of attention by ignoring it and going about your usual business.

Is it really that prevalent? See for yourself.

Contents [hide]
1 Characteristics
2 Motives
3 Treatment
4 How to spot a troll
5 Alternative ways to deal with trolls
5.1 Caveat
6 See also
7 External links
8 Footnotes
[edit]Characteristics

A troll usually has little or no interest in contributing to the development of the site in question and is interested in :

Deliberately angering people.
Breaking the normal flow of debate/discussion.
Disrupting the smooth operation of the site.
Deliberately being annoying for the sake of being obnoxious. For instance, using abusive names to refer to all the members on the site.
Making itself the main topic of interest or discussion.[2
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[edit]Motives



Save a goat, starve a troll!

It is probable that, for the troll, the last point is the most important. To this end it will post deliberately inflammatory messages which generate inflammatory responses; complain about being the victim of the inflammatory responses; endeavor to obtain allies against the discrimination it feels; turn on those same allies, etc. etc. The whole objective of the exercise is to disrupt or make someone do something you wanted them to do for laughs.

If a poster begins to post comments along the lines of, “Can’t you see how stupid you all are?” or “I keep laughing at all of you,” there is high probability that the poster is a troll.

Treatment

Because the troll feeds on having its name mentioned or by generating debate or ill feeling, many internet users either ignore the troll completely or respond with the phrase, “Don’t Feed the Troll".



Some users engage in "Troll Baiting." In this unkind sport the objective is to turn the tables on the troll so that it becomes enraged. While mildly amusing in the short term it is rarely successful in driving the troll away.

Most importantly, trolls take away from productive work. The only ethical way to avoid this is to stop feeding the troll and go about your usual work.

How to spot a troll

Usually it is very difficult to tell the difference between a troll and somebody who is simply an asshole or an idiot. It is important to note that a troll doesn't always resort to insults. Some of them pretend to hold ideals that are unpopular on a particular website or forum. For example, if one signs up for a forum that is predominately pro-choice and pretends to be anti-abortion and makes posts in favour of that position that alone could get the same result as just insulting everybody. The best way to spot a troll is to take into consideration how long its posts are. If its posts are short then more than likely you are dealing with a troll. A good troll also doesn't show any signs of anger in their posts so it would be best to keep an eye out for that too. On social networking sites it is much easier to spot trolls. The first way is to look at their profile: if the user has no picture of him/herself then it is most likely a troll. It's also useful to take a look at how old the user's account is. The newer the account is, the more likely it is that they are a troll. Also if this user has contacted you directly on your own page as opposed to a group you are a member of then take that as a tell-tale signs

Alternative ways to deal with trolls

If you really have to respond to a troll don't post long comments. Try to make your responses as short and concise as possible; it's often best to use exceptionally bland wording such as "Thank you for your comments, which we shall give due consideration." Your main objective here is to disarm the troll's chances of getting an emotional response from other users which will make it give up its attempts. This method is not fool-proof and can achieve the opposite results depending on the troll and how you go about doing this
Caveat
It is, of course an improper argumentum ad hominem (personal attack), when you accuse a user of being a troll just because you don't like what they are saying or the way they are saying it. Don't accuse someone of being a troll just to dismiss their argument. Just because you disagree doesn't necessarily mean the user is trying to be disruptive, so it is necessary to measure the suspected troll against the description given above.

[edit] See also

Agent provocateur
Concern troll
Eric S. Raymond
Catsouras v. Department of the California Highway Patrol
Fun:Drama queen[/b]
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2seaoat



Damn....right when I thought I could make the coveted status of troll.....they make a stinking rule....The best way to spot a troll is to take into consideration how long its posts are. If its posts are short then more than likely you are dealing with a troll.

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So how can we combat the trolls, while at the same time, preventing collateral damage?

Here's some tips for anyone who wishes to combat a troll. Because a troll is usually after one particular person, it's really up to that person to fight off that troll. My tips aren't perfect, and its not for everyone; but when properly executed, it does have a high rate of success. OK, here we go.


Tip No. 1- Always remember that the mind of a troll is usually a mind of a child.

Close to 90 percent of the trolls on the Internet are between the ages of 14 to 21. Therefore, you must logically conclude that the troll you're up against, is nothing but a young punk being mischievous. Read the troll's posting carefully; if it looks like it was written by a high schooler, nine times out of 10, it was.

My advice: ignoring it.

Young trolls have a very small attention span; if you ignore them, they'll go away. If you give them any attention, you might has well had caught herpes, because you're more than likely to get rid of herpes, before you can get rid of them.



Tip No. 2- Respond to a troll only once per thread/article... "One shot, One kill"

I will discuss later the things you'll need to have in that response to take that troll out; but for now remember,"One Shot, One Kill." Only one response is needed for a troll; but it has to be effective, it has to expose his character and it has to sting.



Tip No. 3- Take your time: Walk away from the computer, take a deep breath and calm down, before posting a response


Somebody once gave me some very good advice, "never argue with drunks and fools." A troll is either a drunk, a fool, or quite possibly both. So you don't want to argue with them; instead, you want to return one very well educated response.

There's no pressure to respond back immediately because that troll is so eager to read your response, he's going to keep checking in and out until post one.



Tip No. 4- Always respectfully challenge the troll's knowledge.

Nothing kills a troll faster than for you to expose him as being ignorant. I remember when a troll criticised one my articles by simply saying,"You need to learn how to write an article."

I responded by saying, "I agree. I don't know how to write an article. Could you please teach me how to write an article?"

He never answered back. Maybe it was because he didn't know how to write an article either.

Trolls usually post things without thinking, so expect trolls to trip themselves up, early and often in their responses. You'll have a troll that claims to be a gulf war vet; well then, ask him what unit he was in. You'll have a troll that claims to had played in sports; ask him what sport did he play and who did he play for?

My personal favorite, for those who attack you for supporting a specific player or team, ask him what team is he/she's rooting for? It's my personal favorite because I always seem to more about their team than they do.

Trust me, the average troll doesn't care to know what they're talking about, because they're concentrating on their selection of spiteful words, instead of gathering facts to support their response.

Therefore, my advice is simple; call them out; you'll catch them off guard every time.



Tip No. 5 - Rip the "Caps Lock" off your keyboard. Never respond using words in caps and exclamation points.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME!!!

Sound threatening, doesn't it. Trolls love responses like the one above because it looks angry. It's their goal to either make you mad, or make you appear to be mad. Using caps is the wrong way to respond to anyone, because it makes you look like you're yelling.

A better alternative is to use the "bold" feature. The bold gives you the power to center the trolls' attention on what you really want them to read, without the appearance of anger.



Final Tip- If you do find yourself resorting to talking trash, try to be eloquent in your choice of words.

Anybody can call you "stupid," but not anyone can say that "your knowledge of this issue is lacking." Anyone can say that "your mother is a whore;" but not anyone can say, "Why are you so angry? Did your mother confessed to you that she'd wasn't an honest woman before you were conceived?"

Choosing the right words, while talking trash, gives the other viewers the impression that you're smarter than your troll counterpart. People respect writers that can handle themselves in a dignified manner.



These were some of my tips on how to handle a troll. When executed properly, the average troll will be too embarrassed to stick around. They'll sit out for days, if not weeks, before returning because they're waiting for everyone to forget your exchange with him.

It's all about taking away the troll's credibility; if you destroy the troll's credibility, you destroy that troll's wanting to stay in your forum. In some cases, a troll will even change his/her's name in order to reenter your forum with a "clean slate".

Once again, I remind you that it's up to you to fight the troll that's haunting you. Either you fight them, or you put up with their antics. But no matter what methods you chose, it all comes down to one objective; to get into his' head before he gets into yours. Food for thought.

Good luck and good hunting

knothead

knothead

Now grad has got me wondering if I am a troll, an idiot, or an asshole . . . . .

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

knothead wrote:Now grad has got me wondering if I am a troll, an idiot, or an asshole . . . . .


Dammit, your posts are rather short.

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knothead wrote:Now grad has got me wondering if I am a troll, an idiot, or an asshole . . . . .

I don't think there's a limit on how many names one can be labeled.. What a Face

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LOL Trolls are like pornography, hard to describe but you know it when you see it.

Yella

Yella

knothead wrote:Now grad has got me wondering if I am a troll, an idiot, or an asshole . . . . .

You are none of the above but would that be called a trolassiot?

http://warpedinblue,blogspot.com/

knothead

knothead

Yella wrote:
knothead wrote:Now grad has got me wondering if I am a troll, an idiot, or an asshole . . . . .

You are none of the above but would that be called a trolassiot?

***************************************************

Yella, it's got a much better ring to it, don't ya think?

Yella

Yella

knothead wrote:
Yella wrote:
knothead wrote:Now grad has got me wondering if I am a troll, an idiot, or an asshole . . . . .

You are none of the above but would that be called a trolassiot?

***************************************************

Yella, it's got a much better ring to it, don't ya think?

I used to think trolls should be banned forever but they always come back with a new handle spewing the same crap. Some people here have had dozens of handles. Now I find them amusing as they lose their cool and start cursing one another and become the laughingstock of the forum. I suppose it it is a psychological problem they can not help. I pity their families.
If it gets too nasty I can always go to another thread.

http://warpedinblue,blogspot.com/

Nekochan

Nekochan

Ha, ha, ha....Seaoat, you are certainly no troll!

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Yella wrote:
knothead wrote:
Yella wrote:
knothead wrote:Now grad has got me wondering if I am a troll, an idiot, or an asshole . . . . .

You are none of the above but would that be called a trolassiot?

***************************************************

Yella, it's got a much better ring to it, don't ya think?

I used to think trolls should be banned forever but they always come back with a new handle spewing the same crap. Some people here have had dozens of handles. Now I find them amusing as they lose their cool and start cursing one another and become the laughingstock of the forum. I suppose it it is a psychological problem they can not help. I pity their families.
If it gets too nasty I can always go to another thread.

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Ain't that the dang truth, I tell ya what.

I'm still trying figer out yur sigh-kee-logetical problum...the one that makes you believe yo daddy was a glass maker, boy...LOL.

So what's it gonna be boy...? You gonna put on your big boy tidy whity's and fess up about who yore a-slanern', AND their families...?

That bob wire fence ain't hidin nuthin, boy.

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Trollism The disease and the cure. Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ4YSdtdJppA-ExMmh_3zqNsdxVkNqKUoXVpYvlR2ymnu1eycLs

The "TROLL" description fits most of the posters around here.

If a person wants to discuss an issue logically and intelligently I'm all for it but I don't see it as a likely occurance that other posters will allow that to happen. Until such a time as detente is reached...

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGe8qID9gSs

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Yella wrote:
knothead wrote:
Yella wrote:
knothead wrote:Now grad has got me wondering if I am a troll, an idiot, or an asshole . . . . .

You are none of the above but would that be called a trolassiot?

***************************************************

Yella, it's got a much better ring to it, don't ya think?

I used to think trolls should be banned forever but they always come back with a new handle spewing the same crap. Some people here have had dozens of handles. Now I find them amusing as they lose their cool and start cursing one another and become the laughingstock of the forum. I suppose it it is a psychological problem they can not help. I pity their families.
If it gets too nasty I can always go to another thread.


Chrissypoo-is this you?

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Dreamsglore wrote:
Yella wrote:
knothead wrote:
Yella wrote:
knothead wrote:Now grad has got me wondering if I am a troll, an idiot, or an asshole . . . . .

You are none of the above but would that be called a trolassiot?

***************************************************

Yella, it's got a much better ring to it, don't ya think?

I used to think trolls should be banned forever but they always come back with a new handle spewing the same crap. Some people here have had dozens of handles. Now I find them amusing as they lose their cool and start cursing one another and become the laughingstock of the forum. I suppose it it is a psychological problem they can not help. I pity their families.
If it gets too nasty I can always go to another thread.


Chrissypoo-is this you?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Nope. It's yella, or he's yella, or something.

He's got a bur under his panty line and lacks the gumption to discuss it. He'd rather continue his little hissy fit than accept an apology from the likes of me.

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W_T_M wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
Yella wrote:
knothead wrote:
Yella wrote:
knothead wrote:Now grad has got me wondering if I am a troll, an idiot, or an asshole . . . . .

You are none of the above but would that be called a trolassiot?

***************************************************

Yella, it's got a much better ring to it, don't ya think?

I used to think trolls should be banned forever but they always come back with a new handle spewing the same crap. Some people here have had dozens of handles. Now I find them amusing as they lose their cool and start cursing one another and become the laughingstock of the forum. I suppose it it is a psychological problem they can not help. I pity their families.
If it gets too nasty I can always go to another thread.


Chrissypoo-is this you?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Nope. It's yella, or he's yella, or something.

He's got a bur under his panty line and lacks the gumption to discuss it. He'd rather continue his little hissy fit than accept an apology from the likes of me.

I know it's Yella. I was just seeing if he was referring to Chrissy in his post.

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Damaged Eagle wrote:Trollism The disease and the cure. Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ4YSdtdJppA-ExMmh_3zqNsdxVkNqKUoXVpYvlR2ymnu1eycLs

The "TROLL" description fits most of the posters around here.

If a person wants to discuss an issue logically and intelligently I'm all for it but I don't see it as a likely occurance that other posters will allow that to happen. Until such a time as detente is reached...

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGe8qID9gSs

Smile

Nobody wants to discuss your "mature and willing" cousins w/ you. What don't you get about that?

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Dreamsglore wrote:Nobody wants to discuss your "mature and willing" cousins w/ you. What don't you get about that?

Trollism The disease and the cure. Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSawfNGvuvKuyCuFnhEWhDujwBMCZQxPdZr-OTcTekCD2xFxFrL6g

Did I mention anything about mature willing companions?

NO I DIDN'T!

TROLL and BIGOT!!!!!

*****SMILE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g

Smile

You only prove my point.

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Damaged Eagle wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:Nobody wants to discuss your "mature and willing" cousins w/ you. What don't you get about that?

Trollism The disease and the cure. Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSawfNGvuvKuyCuFnhEWhDujwBMCZQxPdZr-OTcTekCD2xFxFrL6g

Did I mention anything about mature willing companions?

NO I DIDN'T!

TROLL and BIGOT!!!!!

*****SMILE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g

Smile

You only prove my point.

I don't care what you call me.I don't agree w/ relatives having sex.If that makes me a bigot then so be it.

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Dreams wrote:

I don't care what you call me.I don't agree w/ relatives having sex.If that makes me a bigot then so be it.[/quote]

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You do realize that reading his out the butt trolling can give you AIDS in your eyes, right....?

He's on my new list of folk who are dead freakin' deadski to me.

His trolling only works for him if he provokes a response. He lives for the strokes, pos or neg....it makes zero difference to a troll.

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Dreamsglore wrote:
Damaged Eagle wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:Nobody wants to discuss your "mature and willing" cousins w/ you. What don't you get about that?

Did I mention anything about mature willing companions?

NO I DIDN'T!

TROLL and BIGOT!!!!!

*****SMILE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g

Smile

You only prove my point.

I don't care what you call me.I don't agree w/ relatives having sex.If that makes me a bigot then so be it.

Trollism The disease and the cure. Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRFIXcBkaUGtm2knN2stKHKIjGgJyYEVlj0BWeuetfxtn8GqikaDQ

Enjoy your chains...

*****SMILE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsiKOJOXMJU

Smile

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Damaged Eagle wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
Damaged Eagle wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:Nobody wants to discuss your "mature and willing" cousins w/ you. What don't you get about that?

Did I mention anything about mature willing companions?

NO I DIDN'T!

TROLL and BIGOT!!!!!

*****SMILE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g

Smile

You only prove my point.

I don't care what you call me.I don't agree w/ relatives having sex.If that makes me a bigot then so be it.

Trollism The disease and the cure. Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRFIXcBkaUGtm2knN2stKHKIjGgJyYEVlj0BWeuetfxtn8GqikaDQ

Enjoy your chains...

*****SMILE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsiKOJOXMJU

Smile

Creep.

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W_T_M wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

You do realize that reading his out the butt trolling can give you AIDS in your eyes, right....?

He's on my new list of folk who are dead freakin' deadski to me.

His trolling only works for him if he provokes a response. He lives for the strokes, pos or neg....it makes zero difference to a troll.

Trollism The disease and the cure. Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5l38nmuuEUAot45uJFClC1xR-rKUCB5crmR6xs6Y6-9rnATkz

You don't know anything about me. When confronted by an issue that makes you look the fool that you are (like in the redneck Christmas thread) you resort to rudeness and abuse. All you care about is how you can insult people (just as your cohorts do) and like you have done here. You and others like you can enjoy your chains...

*****SMILE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsiKOJOXMJU

Smile



Last edited by Damaged Eagle on 12/15/2012, 4:08 pm; edited 2 times in total

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W_T_M wrote:Dreams wrote:

I don't care what you call me.I don't agree w/ relatives having sex.If that makes me a bigot then so be it.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

You do realize that reading his out the butt trolling can give you AIDS in your eyes, right....?

He's on my new list of folk who are dead freakin' deadski to me.

His trolling only works for him if he provokes a response. He lives for the strokes, pos or neg....it makes zero difference to a troll.[/quote]

He's very creepy. Makes me shudder.

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Dreamsglore wrote:
Damaged Eagle wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
Damaged Eagle wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:Nobody wants to discuss your "mature and willing" cousins w/ you. What don't you get about that?

Did I mention anything about mature willing companions?

NO I DIDN'T!

TROLL and BIGOT!!!!!

*****SMILE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g

Smile

You only prove my point.

I don't care what you call me.I don't agree w/ relatives having sex.If that makes me a bigot then so be it.

Enjoy your chains...

*****SMILE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsiKOJOXMJU

Smile

Creep.

Trollism The disease and the cure. Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQiM4fBy2J3dukGEksL0sDYG_KZSXd7-GNiQ3A7y644SwimxJw8dQ

Whore.

*****SMILE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g

Smile

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