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Sal

Sal

Forum wingnuts duped by the bullshit artists of the rightwing echo-chamber yet again ...

WASHINGTON — CIA security officers in a Benghazi post responded within 25 minutes to a call for help from a nearby State Department compound after it came under attack Sept. 11, officials said Thursday, seeking to refute a Fox News report asserting that CIA managers ordered them to stay put.

In releasing a detailed timeline of CIA actions that night, senior intelligence officials have put aside long-standing concerns about revealing the extent of the agency's presence in Benghazi in order to push back against what officials say are baseless allegations that aid was withheld.

"At every level in the chain of command, from the senior officers in Libya to the most senior officials in Washington, everyone was fully engaged in trying to provide whatever help they could," a senior intelligence official said in a statement. "There were no orders to anybody to stand down in providing support."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-cia-20121102,0,2438659.story

and ...

Within 25 minutes of being alerted to the attack against the diplomatic mission, half a dozen C.I.A. officers raced there from their base about a mile away, enlisting the help of a handful of Libyan militia fighters as they went. Arriving at the mission about 25 minutes after that, the C.I.A. officers joined State Department security agents in a futile search through heavy smoke and enemy fire for Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens before evacuating the mission’s personnel to the apparent safety of their base, which American officials have called an annex to the mission. Mr. Stevens was one of four Americans killed in the attack.

A four-hour lull in the fighting beginning shortly after midnight seemed to suggest that the worst was over. An unarmed military drone that the C.I.A. took control of to map possible escape routes relayed reassuring images to Tripoli and Washington. But just before dawn, and soon after a C.I.A.-led team of reinforcements, including two military commandos, arrived from Tripoli, a brief but deadly mortar attack surprised the Americans. Two of the C.I.A. security officers who were defending the base from a rooftop were killed.

“The officers on the ground in Benghazi responded to the situation on the night of 11 and 12 September as quickly and as effectively as possible,” one of the senior intelligence officials told reporters.

Thursday’s briefing for reporters was intended to refute reports, including one by Fox News last Friday, that the C.I.A.’s chain of command had blocked the officers on the ground from responding to the mission’s calls for help.

“There were no orders to anybody to stand down in providing support,” the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of continuing investigations by the State Department and the F.B.I.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/world/africa/cia-played-major-defensive-role-in-libya-attack.html

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Does F news ever retract misstatements or make corrections or apologies for sharing propaganda thinly veiled as news?

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

othershoe1030 wrote:Does F news ever retract misstatements or make corrections or apologies for sharing propaganda thinly veiled as news?

No.

Sal

Sal

othershoe1030 wrote:Does F news ever retract misstatements or make corrections or apologies for sharing propaganda thinly veiled as news?

Well, that would kinda defeat the whole purpose, now wouldn't it?

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Those are interesting and surprisingly (CIA speaks out?? WOW) enlightening articles, particularly the NYT piece. I would sure like to hear an account to the one released by CIA from the Navy, but they are understandably tight-lipped when it comes to their SEAL teams, so I don't hold out high hopes for such an accounting of the events that transpired 11 - 12 September 2012.

Here is an article by Ron Paul on the subject:

Ron Paul - Consequences of U.S. Interventionist Foreign Policy

Politics / US Politics
Sep 17, 2012 - 09:08 AM
By: Dr_Ron_Paul

Repukes Benghazi Narrative Unraveling Politics

The attack on the US consulate in Libya and the killing of the US Ambassador and several aides is another tragic example of how our interventionist foreign policy undermines our national security. The more the US tries to control the rest of the world, either by democracy promotion, aid to foreign governments, or by bombs, the more events spin out of control into chaos, unintended consequences, and blowback.

Unfortunately, what we saw in Libya last week is nothing new.

In 1980s Afghanistan, the US supported Islamic radicals in their efforts to expel the invading Soviet military. These radicals became what is known to be al-Qaeda, and our one-times allies turned on us most spectacularly on September 11, 2001.

Iraq did not have a significant al Qaeda presence before the 2003 US invasion, but our occupation of that country and attempt to remake it in our image caused a massive reaction that opened the door to al Qaeda, leading to thousands of US soldiers dead, a country destroyed, and instability that shows no sign of diminishing.

In Libya we worked with, among others, the rebel Libyan Fighting Group (LIFG) which included foreign elements of al-Qaeda. It has been pointed out that the al-Qaeda affiliated radicals we fought in Iraq were some of the same groups we worked with to overthrow Gaddafi in Libya. Last year in a television interview I predicted that the result of NATO's bombing of Libya would likely be an increased al-Qaeda presence in the country. I said at the time that we may be delivering al-Qaeda another prize.

Not long after NATO overthrew Gaddafi, the al Qaeda flag was flown over the courthouse in Benghazi. Should we be surprised, then, that less than a year later there would be an attack on our consulate in Benghazi? We have been told for at least the past eleven years that these people are the enemy who seeks to do us harm.

There is danger in the belief we can remake the world by bribing some countries and bombing others. But that is precisely what the interventionists - be they liberal or conservative* - seem to believe. When the world does not conform to their image, they seem genuinely shocked. The secretary of state's reaction to the attack on the US
consulate in Benghazi was one of confusion. "How could this happen in a country we helped liberate, in a city we helped save from destruction," she asked.

The problem is that we do not know and we cannot know enough about these societies we are seeking to remake. We never try to see through the eyes of those we seek to liberate. Libya is in utter chaos, the infrastructure has been bombed to rubble, the economy has ceased to exist, gangs and militias rule by brutal force, the government is seen as a completely illegitimate and powerless US puppet. How could anyone be shocked that the Libyans do not see our bombing their country as saving it from destruction?

Currently, the US is actively supporting rebels in Syria that even our CIA tells us are affiliated with al Qaeda. Many of these radical Islamist fighters in Syria were not long ago fighting in Libya. We must learn from these mistakes and immediately cease all support for the
Syrian rebels, lest history once again repeat itself. We are literally backing the same people in Syria that we are fighting in Afghanistan and that have just killed our ambassador in Libya! We must finally abandon the interventionist impulse before it is too late.

Dr. Ron Paul
Project Freedom

Congressman Ron Paul of Texas enjoys a national reputation as the premier advocate for liberty in politics today. Dr. Paul is the leading spokesman in Washington for limited constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to sound monetary policies based on commodity-backed currency. He is known among both his colleagues in Congress and his constituents for his consistent voting record in the House of Representatives: Dr. Paul never votes for legislation unless the proposed measure is expressly authorized by the Constitution. In the words of former Treasury Secretary William Simon, Dr. Paul is the "one exception to the Gang of 535" on Capitol Hill.

* Emphasis mine.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article36576.html



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ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

- be they liberal or conservative* -

We have folks on this forum who would call you "un-American" for wanting the U.S. to adopt a non-interventionist policy in the world. Markle would tell you "we have responsibilities" in the world, and then ask "who would fill the void, if we pulled away?" Then, we have at least one poster who thinks God will judge America if we don't help Israel defeat all of its Muslim enemies in the world.

Looking from Vietnam through Iraq/Afghanistan, a cost-benefits analysis might reveal that the cost of this intervention has been great in both lives and treasure, while the benefits have been negligible, if not negative. But those folks I mention above are hellbent on keeping America fighting "enemies" all over the world, wherever they are found.

I am just thankful my own military service happened between Vietnam and the Persian Gulf War; a 16 year era of relative peace, which the VA oddly terms "the peacetime era."

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ZVUGKTUBM wrote: - be they liberal or conservative* -

We have folks on this forum who would call you "un-American" for wanting the U.S. to adopt a non-interventionist policy in the world.

/...snip/

Then it's a good thing I could give two shits what people here call me.

sunny

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I just heard a General talking on NPR saying the Woods thing never happened. There was no "stand down" order. It's amazing what people want to believe.

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Sal wrote:Forum wingnuts duped by the bullshit artists of the rightwing echo-chamber yet again ...

WASHINGTON — CIA security officers in a Benghazi post responded within 25 minutes to a call for help from a nearby State Department compound after it came under attack Sept. 11, officials said Thursday, seeking to refute a Fox News report asserting that CIA managers ordered them to stay put.

In releasing a detailed timeline of CIA actions that night, senior intelligence officials have put aside long-standing concerns about revealing the extent of the agency's presence in Benghazi in order to push back against what officials say are baseless allegations that aid was withheld.

"At every level in the chain of command, from the senior officers in Libya to the most senior officials in Washington, everyone was fully engaged in trying to provide whatever help they could," a senior intelligence official said in a statement. "There were no orders to anybody to stand down in providing support."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-cia-20121102,0,2438659.story

and ...

Within 25 minutes of being alerted to the attack against the diplomatic mission, half a dozen C.I.A. officers raced there from their base about a mile away, enlisting the help of a handful of Libyan militia fighters as they went. Arriving at the mission about 25 minutes after that, the C.I.A. officers joined State Department security agents in a futile search through heavy smoke and enemy fire for Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens before evacuating the mission’s personnel to the apparent safety of their base, which American officials have called an annex to the mission. Mr. Stevens was one of four Americans killed in the attack.

A four-hour lull in the fighting beginning shortly after midnight seemed to suggest that the worst was over. An unarmed military drone that the C.I.A. took control of to map possible escape routes relayed reassuring images to Tripoli and Washington. But just before dawn, and soon after a C.I.A.-led team of reinforcements, including two military commandos, arrived from Tripoli, a brief but deadly mortar attack surprised the Americans. Two of the C.I.A. security officers who were defending the base from a rooftop were killed.

“The officers on the ground in Benghazi responded to the situation on the night of 11 and 12 September as quickly and as effectively as possible,” one of the senior intelligence officials told reporters.

Thursday’s briefing for reporters was intended to refute reports, including one by Fox News last Friday, that the C.I.A.’s chain of command had blocked the officers on the ground from responding to the mission’s calls for help.

“There were no orders to anybody to stand down in providing support,” the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of continuing investigations by the State Department and the F.B.I.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/world/africa/cia-played-major-defensive-role-in-libya-attack.html

Seems like it is still in play homey

Sal

Sal

PACEDOG#1 wrote:

Seems like it is still in play homey

Oh, it's still in play ....

.... but, only in the vacuous craniums of mouth-breathing rubes like yourself.

Did you mail that check into the NRCC yet?

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ZVUGKTUBM wrote: - be they liberal or conservative* -

We have folks on this forum who would call you "un-American" for wanting the U.S. to adopt a non-interventionist policy in the world. Markle would tell you "we have responsibilities" in the world, and then ask "who would fill the void, if we pulled away?" Then, we have at least one poster who thinks God will judge America if we don't help Israel defeat all of its Muslim enemies in the world.

Looking from Vietnam through Iraq/Afghanistan, a cost-benefits analysis might reveal that the cost of this intervention has been great in both lives and treasure, while the benefits have been negligible, if not negative. But those folks I mention above are hellbent on keeping America fighting "enemies" all over the world, wherever they are found.

I am just thankful my own military service happened between Vietnam and the Persian Gulf War; a 16 year era of relative peace, which the VA oddly terms "the peacetime era."

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I'm more than willing to bring all our guys and gals stationed overseas back home; that includes the ones in S. Korea, Japan, and Germany; and seal our borders. While we're at it we need to cancel all foreign aid, including to the UN since we should be only paying 5% of it's operating costs. Along with a total review and/or cancellation of the trade agreements if said partner is in breach of contract.

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first investigation.....man its still in play......second investigation......man it is still in play......third investigation.......man it is still in play.......fourth investigation.......man it is still in play.....fifth investigation.......man it is still in play.......sixth investigation......man it is still in play

SEVENTH INVESTIGATION.........more of the same, and the only thing in play is politics and fund raising on an off year election where people think they can make some money on the bodies of four americans......ghouls are in play.

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