Eight Times Racist Ron DeSantis "Accidntally" Did Racist Stuff

Just a reminder about Florida's biggest, racist skidmark, before he proceeds with his 2024 POTUS run.

After enough racism scandals involving a particular political candidate, you'd think everyone might just admit that person is simply racist. Yet a whole lot of people — from bad-faith conservative pundits to easily fooled reporters — continue offering excuses for Republican gubernatorial candidate Ron DeSantis' infamous statement on Fox News that Andrew Gillum would "monkey... up" Florida.

1. He spoke at a Muslim-bashing event alongside Milo Yiannopoulos and Steve Bannon.


David Horowitz, who runs the hard-core-Islamophobic FrontPage Magazine, organizes what he calls a "Restoration Weekend" every year. Past attendees have included Pamela Geller, Jeff Sessions, Nigel Farage, Laura Ingraham, and a slew of lesser-known Islamophobes and random alt-right cretins.

Last year's event included Milo Yiannopoulos, the ex-Breitbart writer whose career is in the toilet thanks to dueling pedophilia- and Nazi-sympathizing scandals; Hungarian nationalist group member Sebastian Gorka; former Trump adviser Steve Bannon; and U.S. Rep. Ron DeSantis, the Jacksonville congressman who is now one of the frontrunners to become Florida's next governor.

DeSantis doesn't exactly shy away from courting the far right — he has leaned hard on Trump's January endorsement of him — but the appearance raises serious questions about the kind of company DeSantis is willing to keep.

Other attendees at last year's event were British alt-right troll Katie Hopkins (who once advocated placing Muslims in internment camps), fired Google sexist James Damore, "campus conservative" Charlie Kirk, Trump-worshipping Congressman Devin Nunes, virulent Islamophobe Mark Steyn, anti-immigrant author Douglas Murray, and fellow Florida Rep. Brian Mast.

Horowitz's Restoration Weekends don't typically get a ton of mainstream press, likely because Horowitz and his fellow FrontPage writers are far from household names. (Horowitz himself has spent this week on Twitter downplaying the severity of anti-black lynchings in the Old South.)

But DeSantis' appearance at the event last year, which went unreported save a few mentions in FrontPage and Breitbart, shows the congressman's willingness to pander to some of the most outwardly hateful members of the Republican base. At the time of the November conference, DeSantis had not yet announced his run for governor but apparently had no issues appearing alongside Yiannopoulos, who had already been outed for his comments endorsing pedophilia and his karaoke party with outright neo-Nazi Richard Spencer. BuzzFeed's damning report on Yiannopoulos' leaked emails — which showed him making Nazi jokes and using "kristallnacht" as a password — had hit the internet a month before the event took place. DeSantis, a former Tea Party darling, spoke on the same stage anyway.


2. He called New York candidate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who is a Puerto Rican woman, "whatever she is."

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
@AOC
Rep DeSantis, it seems you‘re confused as to “whatever I am.”

I am a Puerto Rican woman. It‘s strange you don’t know what that is, given that ~75,000 Puerto Ricans have relocated to Florida in the 10 mos since María.

But I’m sure these new FL voters appreciate your comments!

Amanda Terkel
@aterkel
GOP Rep. calls Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez “this girl…or whatever she is” http://bit.ly/2v5I3px by @jbendery
3:52 PM · Jul 23, 2018


3. He defended a supporter who said "bring back the hanging tree."

Per the Tampa Bay Times:

A candidate never knows what an excited audience member might say at campaign event that allows give and take. John McCain in 2008 memorably corrected a woman in Minnesota who called Barack Obama an Arab.

Last Saturday in Citrus County, Republican gubernatorial candidate Ron DeSantis told a group of voters about the "four liberals" on the Florida Supreme Court overturning the death sentence of the man convicted of kidnapping, raping and killing 11-year-old Carlie Brucia in Sarasota County in 2004 because the sentencing decision had not been unanimous.
"I have a tree and a rope in my back yard," one audience member chimed in.

"Bring back the hanging tree," added the audience member, drawing laughter as DeSantis continued talking about the court.

Listen here for the audio.

Asked for clarification on his position, DeSantis' campaign stood with the hanging tree questioner. Hard to fathom any Republican primary candidate losing votes by standing for swift justice and vengeance for a child killer.

"Ron thinks that Floridians should be forgiven for having some pretty strong and not at all politically correct feelings about what should happen to this animal. Let's be clear; we're talking about someone who kidnapped, raped and murdered an 11-year-old girl. The Florida Supreme Court's decision was appalling and demonstrates once again why we need someone like Ron DeSantis, who stared down terrorists while serving in the Navy in Iraq and at the terrorist detention center in Guantanamo Bay, to appoint constitutionalists who will apply the law correctly."

Democratic Gov. Lawton Chiles appointed two of the current justices, and Chiles and Jeb Bush jointly appointed another. Republican governors appointed four of the seven current justices, though three of them were appointed by Charlie Crist, so….

4. He was moderator of a Facebook group that was a haven for racist memes and was run by lunatics.

Click on a page called "Tea Party," which boasts 94,000 followers and claims to be "the oldest and largest #TeaParty group on Facebook," and you'll find that one of the first posts this morning is a glaringly racist meme showing side-by-side photos of Melania Trump and a heavily Photoshopped Michelle Obama with the headline "Make the White House Beautiful Again."

"Who's the guy on the right?" one commenter jokes about the doctored photo of Mrs. Obama, and another responds with a homophobic meme about President Obama.

The racist post is par for the course for the page, which has also shared at least six posts since Tuesday supporting Florida's new GOP gubernatorial nominee, Ron DeSantis. Perhaps that's because, until reporters began asking questions yesterday, DeSantis was reportedly one of 52 listed administrators of the offensive page.

DeSantis' affiliation with the Facebook group was turned up by Natalie Martinez, a reporter with Media Matters, who noted that numerous other GOP candidates are also admins, including Arizona Senate candidate Kelly Ward and Virginia Senate candidate Corey Stewart.

It doesn't appear that DeSantis himself posted recently on the page, but his affiliation with such an obviously racist group wouldn't help his argument that he "accidentally" used the phrase "monkey this up" in relation to his Democratic opponent, Andrew Gillum, on Fox News yesterday.

Through a spokesperson, DeSantis later confirmed that he was an administrator of the Tea Party group but claims he was added to the page without his knowledge. "The Congressman was completely unaware that he was part of the Facebook group, which he was added to without his knowledge or consent. As soon as he found out about it, he immediately deleted it," Stephen Lawson, a campaign spokesperson, says in a statement sent to reporters.



https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/eight-times-ron-desantis-did-racist-stuff-by-accident-10687534+

The fact that Republicans are seriously looking at DeSantis as a presidential contender makes me think they're truly, truly stupid. The guy's got a record of nothing but failure. It's absurd he'd even be considered... and yet he's one of their front runners? You can't trust their judgement at all.

And I've always known racism was a factor in conservative politics. It's impossible to escape that fact if you've ever actually been around 'em for any length of time, and I've lived in the thick of 'em my whole life. I've got Republican operatives in my family -- I know what kind of scumbags they are, and they're worse behind the scenes. But even I am surprised that racism seems to be becoming the biggest motivator for that base. Instead of being a component, it's looking more and more like it's the core.

I mean, that CPAC "rune" as part of the set design? https://news.yahoo.com/cpac-stage-shaped-nordic-rune-070750341.html If that'd been the only thing connected with Nazis they did then I'd shrug it off as an unintentional mistake. Anybody can do an "oopsie" and trip over something now and then. But, honestly, they don't deserve benefit of the doubt anymore. Not after they've spent so much time courting white supremacists, dog-whistling 'em, winking and nodding. And it's not like it's the first time they've aped a Nazi design, either -- https://globalnews.ca/news/7130932/trump-nazi-eagle-logo-america-first/ One time's a mistake, but what they've got is a damn pattern already. And they ape Nazi rhetoric all the time, with the "press is the enemy of the people" and all the rest of it. And that's from the damn official party -- I'm not even holding 'em responsible for all the swastikas and rebel flags and shit their supporters are flying.

Anyway, DeSantis's racist stuff doesn't surprise me. It's par for their course at this point, and, sadly, it's probably the only way to really get the support of what remains of the GOP's base. Anyone decent has bailed on 'em already, and all they're left with are a bunch of bigots, and absolute embarrassments like Ted "Insult my wife in front of the whole country again and I'll whip your ass... with my tongue!" and Marco "The only guy who makes Ted Cruz look manly" Rubio. Sycophantic doormats with no pride at all.

Libtards calling people a racist means nothing anymore.

You don't really have to call Ron DeSantis racist. He does a pretty good job of that himself. When you have flat-out Nazis waving "DeSantis Country" flags, and you don't even disavow it, much less do anything to put a stop to it, then you've pretty clearly shown what side you're on.

So has anyone who makes excuses for him.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-won-t-desantis-condemn-204556989.html

The Miami Herald Editorial Board
Mon, July 25, 2022 at 3:45 PM·3 min read

Neo-Nazi demonstrators in Florida climbed out from under their rock again on Saturday, this time outside a major Republican conference, Turning Point USA’s Student Action Summit, held in Tampa.

They put their hate-filled ideology on full and repugnant display, waving flags with swastikas and white-supremacist SS bolts, hoisting placards with anti-Semitic slurs. And somewhere in the mix of demonstrators, a “DeSantis Country” flag was unfurled.

A spokesman for Turning Point USA, a right-wing student group, disavowed the hate mongers. “Turning Point 100% condemns these ideologies in the strongest of terms,” Andrew Kolvet said. He said his group didn’t know who the demonstrators were or why they were there.

There’s no mystery here. The lineup for the conference included Gov. Ron DeSantis, Republican Reps. Matt Gaetz, Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert and, as the crowning touch, Josh Hawley, the Missouri senator now best known for egging on the Jan. 6 rioters with a fist pump and then running away from the crowds attacking the U.S. Capitol.

Among the topics of conversation at the conference: denying the existence of transgender people, anti-COVID vaccine rhetoric and the continuation of the lie that the 2020 election was stolen.

Court hatred for political purposes, and this is where it leads. This demonstration by a group of people embracing fascism and some of the most hateful symbols known to mankind wasn’t surprising. It was predictable.
Act of hate

And horrifying. Or, as the Florida Holocaust Museum called it, an “indefensible act of pure hatred.”

Museum chair Mike Igel said, in a statement: “This isn’t about politics or religion. It’s about humanity. The Florida Holocaust Museum calls upon everyone, Jew and non-Jew, regardless of political affiliation, to condemn this blatant anti-Semitism in the strongest possible terms. This should matter to everyone.”

Yes. It should.

So where, then, was DeSantis on this? He headlined the Turning Point summit on Friday night. He’s the top ranking politician in the state. Where was his public condemnation? The Editorial Board asked his spokeswoman if he had any comment on this eruption of extremism right outside a conference he’d addressed.

We haven’t gotten an answer. We wish we were surprised.

This wasn’t a one-off incident, either. The museum, in downtown St. Petersburg, was defaced with anti-Semitic graffiti in May, with police calling it a hate crime.

And on a weekend in January, more of these disgusting trolls waved Nazi flags near a University of Central Florida-area shopping plaza and on an Interstate 4 overpass. Where was DeSantis that time? It took him days to respond and then it was mostly to shrug off the behavior — he summoned up barely a flicker of outrage, calling the demonstrators “jackasses” — and then he attacked Democrats.

That’s Florida leadership for you. Ignore the monster of anti-Semitism in favor of playing politics.

Words matter in the fight against hate, especially from the top of the state government. But silence also matters.

Igel, of the Florida Holocaust Museum, made sure to thank DeSantis and the Florida Legislature for their support to expand the Holocaust Museum, saying the museum’s mission is to educate “future generations to prevent anti-Semitism and hatred of all kind.”

That’s great. Apparently, there can’t be enough education on the horrors inflicted by the Nazis.

And the governor, if he had an ounce of common decency, would use his far-reaching platform to say so, loudly and unequivocally, every single time such hatred rears its ugly head in Florida.

When something's so bigoted that even Turning Point USA -- which is white supremacist in and of itself -- disavows it, but DeSantis doesn't? That's a clear signal. He's saying, "These Nazis are my people, and the people they're terrorizing are not. I'm with them, so... auslander raus."

For years the Republican party has gotten mad because they get called racist. But when they're put to the test with an easy thing like saying "We don't want Nazis in our party"... they fail. So, why are we not supposed to call 'em racist again?

Free fucking space in BINGO and they won't hit it. Like this:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/house-republicans-vote-against-tackling-194000215.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

The House passed an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act to push government officials to report instances of white supremacy among the military and law enforcement ranks, The Hill reports. Rep. Brad Schneider (D-Ill.)’s sponsored measure made it through with a 218-208 party-line vote that saw every House Republican vote against it. 20% of participants arrested for involvement in the Jan. 6th Capital riot are military veterans. A Reuters investigation also found a high number of police instructors have ties to right-wing militias and white supremacist hate groups.

This amendment would require the FBI director, Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and the secretary of Defense to publish a report analyzing White supremacist and neo-Nazi activity within their ranks and present ways to root it out of the respective organizations.

It also calls for a number count of people who were discharged due to white supremacist activity and requires the government to create a report showing ways how to combat Neo-Nazism within these career choices.

There will be a 180-day deadline for this to be completed and submitted to congressional committees. Unclassified portions would also be made public. Rep. Schneider spoke about the increase in domestic terrorism in the U.S. and how this resolution will be one way to see how bad it is.

Y'know, if you're going to cry about being called bigots then maybe you should, at least now and then, at least do the bare minimum to stop all the bigoty shit! It's not difficult! It's not controversial. Nobody sane and decent wants fucking neo-Nazis in our military or law enforcement, in a position to protect people a lot of 'em hate. Nobody reasonable wants fucking Nazis getting military training, either. What do they think they'll use that for?

Again, it's a free space in BINGO, and they can't bring themselves to cover it. The only conclusion is that they're either Nazi sympathizers, or that the sizable presence of bigots in their party doesn't bother them enough to do anything about it... and that amounts to the same thing.

They're fucking around because they still think this is a way to "own the libs," but once they get a white supremacist theocratic form of government in place, they're going to find that those people are eventually going to get around to some things they like, too, and it's going to be too damn late then.

I keep watching giggleheads on 4Chan pushing for theocracy because it makes the liberals and women they hate miserable... never stopping to realize that the people they're trying to give power to will ban damn near everything that 4Channers like. I've already seen this shit in Mississippi. Those 4Chan morons won't be very happy anymore when their porn is gone, their drugs are gone, their anime is gone, their video games are gone, their contraceptives are gone, their music is gone, the movies they like are gone, their comics are gone, books are gone... and it'll go. Everything I've mentioned there I've seen Southern Baptists try to get rid of. The only thing stopping 'em is that society is still too secular to let them have their way. But you see it already happening. Whenever there's a shooting, instead of blaming a lack of gun control the Republicans jump right on "violent video games" and "violent movies" and "devil music" and you name it - damn near everything those 4Channers make their lives out of.

I don't do drugs, I don't even drink. I don't care much about porn, and I haven't played video games since the days when Quake came out. I like a lot of violent movies and a lot of banned books and pretty much all the music the church folks live in terror of, but I already have an extensive library and DVD and CD collection, I'm not depending on streaming access, so I'll be fine. But that doesn't mean those things should be banned. But that's what you're gonna get once you let the BapTaliban have its way. And that's what these idiots are signing up for.

Meanwhile, the right-wing Christians make their own problems. They bully everyone else... and then live in terror because the people they're bullying hate them now. You take people's right away from them, you interfere with their lives when you don't have to, then you earn the right to fear them. Conservatives have a long, long history of being assholes to people and then living in terror of the backlash they know they deserve. That's why they're obsessed with Black Lives Matter and "antifa" and stuff. It's an old story. Living in the South, I've run into more old racists who think about damn near anything but "the black people coming to get me." Yeah, well, maybe if you didn't go out of your way to treat 'em bad, then you wouldn't have to be so paranoid that they hate ya.

But Republicans never learn. They're the dumb side of America's intellectual bell-curve, and now they're holding all the rest of us hostage. And if they do get power, they'll never enjoy it, because it'll only make them even more afraid. Fucking IDIOTS.

Oh, and while we're at it, let's not forget that THIS sonofabitch is their new role model, so much that they held CPAC in Hungary this year.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62313579?xtor=AL-72

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/cpac-keeping-orb-c3-a1n-as-keynote-speaker-even-after-nazi-esque-rant-against-e2-80-98race-mixing-e2-80-99/ar-AA101tPd

Orban is racist to the fucking bone. Again, if you're gonna crybaby over being called out for racism, stop making it so easy to do it.

"When something's so bigoted that even Turning Point USA -- which is white supremacist in and of itself -- disavows it, but DeSantis doesn't?   That's a clear signal.  He's saying, "These Nazis are my people, and the people they're terrorizing are not.   I'm with them, so... auslander raus.""

Gawd you're a lemming. Think for yourself once in a while.

Whoopi Goldberg issues apology for comparing conservative group to neo-Nazis

https://news.yahoo.com/whoopi-goldberg-issues-apology-comparing-162655078.html

The controversy started Monday when “The View” co-hosts mocked the white supremacist protesters outside a Turning Point USA Student Action Summit.

Whoopi Goldberg made time on Thursday’s episode of ABC’s “The View” to apologize for comparing the conservative organization Turning Point USA to neo-Nazis.

Whoopi Goldberg made time on Thursday’s episode of ABC’s “The View” to apologize for comparing the conservative organization Turning Point USA to neo-Nazis.

“In Monday’s conversation about Turning Point USA, I put the young people at the conference in the same category as the protesters outside, and I don’t like it when people make assumptions about me,” Goldberg said, Fox News reports.  “And it’s not any better when I make assumptions about other people, which I did. So, my bad, I’m sorry.”

The controversy started Monday when “The View” co-hosts mocked the white supremacist protesters outside a TPUSA Student Action Summit last weekend in Tampa, Florida. Turning Point USA is a “nonprofit organization that advocates for conservative values on high school, college, and university campuses” according to the group’s website.

“Neo-Nazis were out there in the front of the conference with anti-Semitic slurs and, you know, the Nazi swastika and a picture of a so-called Jewish person with exaggerated features, just like (Joseph) Goebbels did during the Third Reich. It’s the same thing, right out of that same playbook,” co-host Joy Behar said on the show, as reported by Fox News.

When Turning Point got wind of the remarks, the group reportedly threatened the network with legal action if the hosts didn’t issue a retraction.

Later in the same episode on Monday, a disclaimer was read informing viewers that “Turning Point USA condemned the neo-Nazis protesters who had ‘nothing to do’ with the organization,” but Goldberg noted that the organization “let them in, and you knew what they were,” she said, Fox News reports.

Following the remarks, ABC News was issued a cease-and-desist from counsel for the Turning Point USA Student Action Summit, Salon reports.

“The false statements of fact intentionally made during The View’s July 25th segment were unquestionably harmful to TPUSA’s reputation and brought the organization and its student affiliates into disrepute with the public, potential donors, and current and future business partners, posing a significant financial loss to the organization,” TPUSA in-house counsel Veronica Peterson wrote in the cease-and-desist, according to Salon.

“Specifically, The View hosts insidiously and cavalierly stated that TPUSA ‘let [neo-Nazis] in’ to its SAS event, metaphorically ’embrase[d] them’ [sic] and that neo-Nazis were ‘in the mix of people.’ The assertion that TPUSA is complicit or affiliated in any way with the neo-Nazi protesters outside the event is outlandish, false, defamatory, and disgraceful,” the cease-and-desist continues.

ABC News was given a July 27 deadline to have “The View” hosts issue a retraction and apologize. On Wednesday’s episode, co-host Sara Haines read a note to viewers clarifying the previous remarks made on the show.

“On Monday we talked about the fact that there were openly neo-Nazi demonstrators outside the Florida Student Action Summit of the Turning Point USA group. We want to make clear that these demonstrators were gathered outside the event and that they were not invited or endorsed by Turning Point USA,” Haines said.

It's so hard for the soon to turn 60, drug abusing tennis queen from Michigan, to see what is obvious to the rest of the world. So sad that Florida is now DeSantis/Nazi Country. So sad that a Republican vote will cause the souls of countless witless souls to be torn asunder and cast into Lucifer's waiting maw.



"How many of these elections are they going to steal before we start killing these people?" TPUSA attendee.

Okay, dumbass tells me to think for myself... then wants me to think like Whoopi Goldberg.

Also, he has no reading comprehension at-fucking-all. To re-explain for the only person who didn't understand it the first time, even though he quoted the part where I said it, I said Turning Point USA disavowed them. That's the reason I mentioned them, igmo. But they are still white supremacist in ideology... they're just not as firmly committed as the admitted Nazis.. The Nazis they were talking about were so extreme that even other white supremacy-bent groups, such as Turning Point USA, were saying they went too far.

DeSantis, meanwhile, didn't. Because he's even worse.

Which is exactly what I said the first time. Dumbfuck.

I get that you're into self-humiliation -- probably as a means to deal with grief over your failures -- but stop trying to get me to help. It's creepy.

zsomething wrote:Okay, dumbass tells me to think for myself... then wants me to think like Whoopi Goldberg.

Also, he has no reading comprehension at-fucking-all.   To re-explain for the only person who didn't understand it the first time, even though he quoted the part where I said it, I said Turning Point USA disavowed them.  That's the reason I mentioned them, igmo.  But they are still white supremacist in ideology... they're just not as firmly committed as the admitted Nazis..  The Nazis they were talking about were so extreme that even other white supremacy-bent groups, such as Turning Point USA, were saying they went too far.  

DeSantis, meanwhile, didn't.  Because he's even worse.

Which is exactly what I said the first time.   Dumbfuck.

I get that you're into self-humiliation -- probably as a means to deal with grief over your failures -- but stop trying to get me to help.  It's creepy.  

Well hell... at least this post is semi intelligible. Clue bell .. you don't need a fucking thousand words to make a point. You bought into a leftist talkingpoint. You were and are wrong. I'm sure you can't come to terms with that... as it's what your media tells you. But you again slandered a group of people (and person) that doesn't deserve it. If you had any influence at all you'd be liable. You may still be. You should learn to make a point. There's absolutely no reason to use a thousand words when a hundred would do. It must be some sort of compensation on your part. The people around you must be sick of it... especially if you have a significant other... he/ she. Learn to make a point fucktard.

PkrBum wrote:


Well hell... at least this post is semi intelligible. Clue bell .. you don't need a fucking thousand words to make a point.  You bought into a leftist talkingpoint. You were and are wrong. I'm sure you can't come to terms with that... as it's what your media tells you. But you again slandered a group of people (and person) that doesn't deserve it. If you had any influence at all you'd be liable. You may still be. You should learn to make a point. There's absolutely no reason to use a thousand words when a hundred would do. It must be some sort of compensation on your part. The people around you must be sick of it... especially if you have a significant other... he/ she. Learn to make a point fucktard.

No matter how long the posts are, the part you failed to understand was in your quoted part, so you can't blame length -- you can only blame your inability to read and comprehend.

And I'm not getting paid here, so I think I'll write just as much as entertains me. I've written books, stories, and articles that people have actually read, so I won't be taking any writing advice from you, considering you write like you've never read a book that didn't have Casper the Friendly Ghost as its protagonist. But, I get it, you don't like reading me, what with all my wordiness and all. I'm not dumbed-down enough and it's too big a challenge for ya. That's fine. But then... why do you do it? There's no reason you should. I'm not writing for you. I'm not interested in you. You're a dumb bore with a pathetic life. You were never a feature of this board. I wouldn't miss you if you died. I don't know how to make that any plainer to you. So, there's no reason for you to complain about how I write if you don't like it. Just don't fuckin' read it! Ain't no gun to ya pointy lil' head. I'd be easy enough to ignore if I really bored you, but you're always stalking my posts, begging for my attention like some weird little masochist.

And I don't have to "buy into any talking point" to see Turning Point USA as white supremacist -- all you have to do is watch a few of their videos or read any of Charlie Kirk's crap, such as this: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1519720775871127552 He absolutely deserves to be called what he is, and so does Ron DeSantis. If you don't recognize that shit as white supremacist, it's probably because you're one, too, shitbag. That's been well-established. And it's yet another thing about yourself that you're too weak to face.

Here's just a little of Turning Point USA's history - https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/short-history-turning-point-usas-racism But there's plenty more than that if you actually watch their shit on YouTube. They're like PraegerU -- they decry Nazis because they don't want to be as out-front about their racism as Nazis are. They're trying to appear respectable, while having the same goals. It's just a retread of the old trick the conservative "Citizen's Councils" did, pretending not to like the KKK, while they were basically the same thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens%27_Councils To this day those are the reason conservatives want to destroy public education, so they can control desegregation economically.

That's not what my "media" tells me. That's what my life experience tells me, because, sorry to say, I went to one of those schools, chuckles. I recognize 'em when I see 'em. You seem to think I get everything from "talking points," because that's the only way you know of people getting their ideas. It's a foreign concept to you because it's beyond your ability, but some of us observe and think. You think we get it from "our media" because that's what you'd have to do.

As for people around me being sick of me, well, I'm pretty sure I've got a better track record of loved-one-retention than you do. You've got more empty chairs than filled ones every Thanksgiving, and that's on you. But, again, if you don't like being around me... prove it. It's easy enough to fix. Stop trying so hard to keep getting me to talk to you, ya weird freak. Yelling "you're so tiresome!" while you keep trotting after me like an unwanted puppy really doesn't work. You do that to the whole board. I dunno how many times we have to go over it, but you fight really hard to stay in a place where absolutely no one wants you. When there's only one real way to show your disdain. But you can't do it. Because you've got nothing else.

By the way, I'm hetero, not that it matters on a message board, but going out of your way to unnecessarily mention "he/she" by way of calling me gay because you think "fag" is a pretty good insult is noted. An old man, using third-grader tactics.

Guess you gotta use whatever feeble attacks you can, because one thing's for damn sure: you can't not reply to anything. Prove me wrong.