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The Rational Progressive
June 24 at 12:36 AM ·
A person answered the question, "Why are people so hostile towards President Donald Trump?".

Chris O'Leary:

I’ll take a stab at this. Before you pass my answer off as “Another Liberal Snowflake” consider that 1.) I'm an independent centrist who has voted Republican way more often in my life than Democrat, and 2.) if you want to call someone who spent the entire decade of his 20’s serving in the Marine Corps a snowflake, I’d be ready to answer the question what did you do with your 20’s?

Why Liberals (And not-so liberals) are against President Trump.

A.) He lies. A LOT. Politifact rates 69% of the words he speaks as “Mostly False or worse” Only 17% of the things he says get a “Mostly True” or better rating. That is an absolutely unbelievable number. How he doesn’t speak more truth by mistake is beyond me. To put it in context, Obama’s rating was 26% mostly false or worse, and I had a problem with that. Many of Trump’s former business associates report that he has always been a compulsive liar, but now he’s the President of the United States, and that’s a problem. And this is a man who expects you to believe him when he points at other people and says “They’re lying”

B.) He’s an authoritarian populist, not a conservative. He advances regressive social policy while proposing to expand federal spending and federalist authority over states, both of which conservatives are supposed to hate.

C.) He pretends at Christianity to court the Religious Right but fails to live anything resembling a Christ-Like Life.

D.) His nationalist “America First” message effectively alienates us and removes us from our place as leaders in the international community.

E.) His ideas on “Keeping us safe” are all thinly veiled ideas to remove our freedoms, he is, after all, an authoritarian first. They also are simply bad ideas.

F.) He couldn’t pass a 3rd-grade civics exam. He doesn't’ know what he’s doing. He doesn't understand how international relations work, he doesn’t understand how federal state or local governments work, and every time someone tries to “Run it like a business” it’s a spectacular failure. See Colorado Springs’ recent history as an example. The Short, Unhappy Life of a Libertarian Paradise And that was a businessman with a MUCH better business track record than Trump. We are talking about a man who lost money owning a freaking gambling casino.

G.) He behaves unethically and always has. As a businessman, he constantly left in his wake unpaid contractors and invoices, litigation, broken promises, whatever he could get away with.

H.) He is damaging our relationships with our best international friends while kissing up to nations that do not have our best interests in mind. To his question “Wouldn't’ it be great to have better relations with Russia?” The answer is Yes. But it is RUSSIA who needs to earn that, who must stop doing the things that are damaging to that relationship, or we are simply weaker for it.

I.) He has never seen a shortcut he didn't like, and you can’t take shortcuts in government. “Nuclear Option, Remove the Filibuster, I’ll change the Constitution by Executive Order…Don…what happens when you remove the filibuster and the other side retakes the majority in the Senate? Suddenly want that filibuster back? What happens if you manage to change the Constitution by Executive Order and an Anti-2A President wins the next election?

J.) He behaves and has always behaved as an unabashed racist. Yes, I’ve seen your favorite meme that claims he was never accused of racism before the Democrats…Absolutely false. Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2019 See the Central Park 5, the lawsuits and fines resulting from his refusal to lease to black tenants, the 1992 lost appeal trying to overturn penalties for removing black dealers from tables, his remarks to the house native American affairs subcommittee in 1993. The man sees and treats racial groups of people as monoliths.

K.) He is systematically steamrolling regulations specifically designed to keep a disaster like the 2007 subprime mortgage crisis from happening again.

L.) He speaks and acts like a demagogue. He sees the Legislative and Judicial branches of government as inconveniences, blows up at criticism no matter how deserved and actively tries to countermand constitutional processes, not to mention attempts to blackmail and coerce people who are saying negative things about him

M.) His choices for top positions, with the exception of Gen. Mattis, who is a gem, have been horrendous. A secretary of Education without a resume that would get her hired as a small town grammar school principal, A secretary of Energy who didn't know the Department of Energy was responsible for nuclear reserves, an EPA head whose biggest accomplishments to date had been suing the EPA on multiple occasions, an FCC head who while working for Verizon actively lobbied to kill net neutrality, and an Attorney General who thinks pot is “nearly as bad as heroin” and asked Congress for permission to go after legal pot businesses in states where it is legal. (There goes that great Republican States rights rally cry again, right? *Crickets*) An Interim AG after Firing his First AG who’s appointment is probably unconstitutional.

N.) He denies scientific fact. Ever notice that the only people you hear denying climate change are politicians and lobbyists? 99% of actual scientists studying the issue agree that it’s real, man-made and caused by greenhouse gasses. Ever notice that every big disaster movie starts with a bunch of politicians in a room ignoring a scientist's warning?

0.) He does not have the temperament to lead this nation. He is Thin Skinned, childish, and a bully, never mind misogynistic, boorish, rude, and incapable of civil discourse.

P.) He still does not understand that the words he speaks, or tweets, are the official position of 1/3 of the US government, and so does not govern his words. He still thinks when he speaks it’s good ol’ Donald Trump. It’s not. It’s the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. You have probably spread a meme or two around talking about how no president’s every word has ever been dissected before…YES, THEY ALWAYS HAVE. It’s just that every other president in our lifetime has understood the importance of his words and took great care to govern his speech. Trump blurts out whatever comes to his mind then complains when people talk about what a dumb thing that was to say.

Q.) He’s unqualified. If you owned a small business and were looking for someone to manage it, and an unnamed resume came across your desk and you saw 6 bankruptcies, showing a man who had failed to make money running CASINOS, would you hire him? He is a very poor businessman. This is a man it has been estimated would have been worth $10 BILLION more if he’d just taken what his father had given him, invested it in Index Funds and left it alone.

R.) He is President. But he refuses to take a leadership position and understand that he is everyone’s President. Conservatives complain about liberals chanting “Not my President” while Trump himself behaves as if no one but his supporters matter.

S.) He’s a blatant hypocrite. He spent 8 years bitching Obama out for his family trips, or golfing, or any time he took for himself, and what does he do? He was already on his 20th golf outing in APRIL of his 1st year in office. He constantly rants about respect for the military, yet can’t be bothered to attend the 100th anniversary of Armistice Day because of a little rain. (And that excuse about Marine One not being able to fly in the rain is HILARIOUS.)

T.) He’s a misogynist. It's not really ok in this day and age to be a misogynist, but it’s not a huge deal if you’re a private citizen. It’s a pretty big deal if you hate half the people you’re elected to lead. The disdain for women seeps out of his …whatever…. and he just can’t hide it.

U.) Face it. In any other election “Grab Em’ By the Pussy” would have been the end of that candidate’s chances. Back in the 90’s I used to marvel about how Teflon Bill Clinton was. I no longer do. The fact that he managed to slip by on that is as much a statement about how much people hate Hillary Clinton as it is about what is wrong with politics in this country right now.

V.) He has one response to a differing opinion. Attack. A good leader listens to criticism, to different points of view, is capable of self-reflection, tries to guide people to his point of view, and when necessary stands his ground and defends his convictions. Any of that sound like Trump? His default is not to Lead, its’ to attack. Scorched Earth. The Jim Acosta reaction is a good example. There was no defense of his convictions when Acosta was asking him repeated questions about his rhetoric on the caravan. His response was to attack Acosta.

W.) He takes credit for everything positive while deflecting blame for everything negative. Look at him with the Stock Market. He’s been bragging about it since day one, and to give credit where credit is due, speculation on coming deregulation early in his presidency did fuel some rapid growth, but to pretend that it’s all him, that we’re not in the 9th year of the longest bull market in history and THEN, when the standard market volatility that deregulation inevitably brings about starts to show up? Yeah. Look at yesterday. Hey! Stock Markets losing because the Democrats won! Do I need to bring out the Stock market chart for the last 10 Years again?

X.) He emboldens the worst among us. Counter-protesters are slammed into by a car while countering actual Nazi rally, and the response is there’s fault on “Both Sides” The media is at fault for a nut job sending them and Donald’s favorite targets pipe bombs. The truth is not all Republicans, not all Trump Supporters are racist, fascist lunatics. Many are just taken in by the bombastic personality and are living in an information bubble made worse by the fact that they unfollow anyone and ignore any source of information that makes them feel uncomfortable. People on the left do that too. The Biggest problem the right has right now is that the worst of the Right is the loudest and the most in your face, and the actual right, especially the Freaking PRESIDENT needs to be standing up and saying No. Those are not our values.

Y.) He seems to think the Constitution of The United States, the document that IS who we are, the document he took an oath to support and defend is some sort of inconvenience. He demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of Constitution, from believing he can alter the 14th through executive order, to thinking The free exercise clause in the first amendment somehow supersedes the establishment clause (not that he really understands either) or that the free exercise clause only applies to Christians. Or his attacks on freedom of expression and the press. He repeatedly makes it clear that if he’s read them, he does not understand Articles 1–3, and that’s something he really should have before he took the job, because they’re not going away.

Z.) I’ll use Z for something I do blame him for, but the rest of us have to carry the blame too. Polarization. This country is more politically polarized than I can remember in my lifetime. Some of you who are a few years older than I may remember how it was in the late 60’s when construction workers in New York were being applauded for beating up hippies, I think it’s pretty close to that right now, but that was before my time. And he is the cause of much of the current level polarization, but also the result. It didn't’ start with Trump. We’ve been going down this road I think since the eruption of the Tea Party in the early years of the Obama Administration. I do hope the tide turns before it gets much worse because the thing that scares me more than anything is what if that keeps going the way it has been?

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Could've been penned by zsomething, what with its thoroughly readable style.

Readable, yes, and spot on correct - thus depressing as hell.  But then, what else is new, under this pretender to the presidency?  

And when comes vindication for us: relegation to the dustbin for Trump?

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Floridatexan wrote:(from FB:)
The Rational Progressive
June 24 at 12:36 AM ·
A person answered the question, "Why are people so hostile towards President Donald Trump?".

Chris O'Leary:

I’ll take a stab at this. Before you pass my answer off as “Another Liberal Snowflake” consider that 1.) I'm an independent centrist who has voted Republican way more often in my life than Democrat, and 2.) if you want to call someone who spent the entire decade of his 20’s serving in the Marine Corps a snowflake, I’d be ready to answer the question what did you do with your 20’s?

Why Liberals (And not-so liberals) are against President Trump.

*great stuff edited for length*


Dude ain't wrong.

What's weird is, all of that stuff is undeniably true to anyone who's in any way objective, but... he still has supporters. The GOP hasn't actually practiced it for nearly a century, but they've always like to claim great integrity. Now they have none. Nor does the religion they've tied themselves to. Trump has destroyed all of that, and because they refused to see past short-term "we won!" bullshit, they let him do it.

As always, they're trying to blame "the left" (which by their definition is everyone who doesn't completely conform to their cultish mindset -- I've seen them calling people like Rick Wilson and Bill Kristol and Max Boot and Ana Navarro "leftists," which is frickin' hilarious to anyone who's followed their careers at all) for anger, etc. What in the fuck do they expect people to do?

Trump is making no effort whatsoever to govern for anyone but his base... which he increasingly considers white supremacists. I'm patriotic, but, fuck that, there's no way I'm rallying around that shit. Nor am I making excuses for it. I don't see how you can claim to love America and settle for that being what we're about. Nope. I acknowledge that, due to a flaw in an antiquated and idiotic electoral college system which ought to be done away with, Trump won. Yeah, Russians influenced things, Comey pulled a stupid October surprise, but, it is what it is. Trump won the office... but he's never assumed it. Not really. His leadership is... nothing.

And his base... Jesus. His base is giving him a pass on kowtowing to Putin, kissing up to Kim, letting the Saudi prince murder people. They still scream about "Benghazi" theories while they completely ignore things their own guy's doing that are a hundred times worse. There's not even a pretense of integrity anymore.

Trump didn't turn this base into a bunch of idiot scumbags. FOX News and talk radio and radicalized politics-over-the-Bible churches did a lot of that. But Trump figured out they're stupid and exploitable and he's doing that to the fullest. I don't agree with DailyKos a lot of the time, but this post I read today has a lot of truth to it .

I don't know how Trump's strategy's going to play out. I know if it does work, then the United States is finished as a country that's worth a damn, at least until it wises up and has a re-awakening of values. I'm hoping the American people are better than the MAGA-maggots, but one thing I've learned from all this -- don't ever have any faith in people to do the right thing anymore. Too many of them are too small and too tribal and evil, and they'll climb aboard any bandwagon that hates the same people they hate, regardless of where that bandwagon's heading. I do know that Trump has made the Republican party a completely un-viable option for any decent, sane person anymore. He's trying to give voters no other choice but being a racist or a "socialist." The "socialism" of the Democratic party is a ridiculously overstated, but it's a scare-tactic Republicans like to use, even if it's dishonest. At times I thought the "Republicans are racist" thing the Democrats like to use was a tetch overstated, too, but I no longer feel that way about Trump supporters. If you're a Trump supporter at this point, then, fuck yes you're a racist. You ain't gonna be on board with that shit unless you are, and you're not gonna turn a blind eye to that unless you're a damn bigot. There's no excuse that'll get anyone out of it now that that party's in full on "send her back" mode, and even Republicans in Congress are too cowardly to speak out against it. Trump's a bigot and his followers are complicit. Again, that's Trump supporters, not just Republicans in general - there are still some (increasingly rare) who see what's going on and saying, "Nope, I'm out." And Trump's giving those voters nowhere to go. I don't know how many of them will be willing to vote for Democrats, though. Most likely they'll sit the election out.

Everybody else better be voting their asses off, regardless of whether they love the Democratic nominee or not, because any America Trump wins a second term in isn't going to be an America worth having.

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Sal wrote:Why Drumpf is unfit for the presidency Captur20


EX-FREAKING-ACTLY!

That's perfect.

Honestly, I'm a misanthropist. I don't like people much. I'm nice to them (until they prove they don't deserve it, and that's fairly hard to do) and I try to be helpful to them, I try to give them all the benefit of the doubt and assume they have good intentions until proven otherwise. And there are plenty of individuals who I love a great deal, but overall and on a whole, I just don't like humans all that much. They tend to be disappointing and aggravating. I dunno, there's just too many people who don't care enough about anybody else to return their shopping carts to the corrals in the parking lot or something... the species just tends to irk me.

But even I didn't know this country was this full of people who are this fucking awful. My opinion of them's pretty low, because I've been around 'em my whole life and they've earned it, but even I thought that conservatives would have a limit to what they'd endure.

Unfortunately, they've been given a test... and oh my god are they failing it, and spectacularly. And the thing is, it's such a low bar for moral courage. I mean, Jesus, how much guts does it even take to say that the shit Trump's doing is lousy and should be condemned? Like none. There shouldn't be any risk involved in saying, "Telling someone to go back to Africa is a shitty thing to do, even if I disagree with that person. There's no excuse for it."

And yet... they still don't manage.

This country's going to be a lonnnnnng time ever regaining the global standing it once had. Trump -- for his own selfish gain -- has torn the mask from America's reputation, and even a lot of Americans are sickened by what he's revealed. It's just fucking depressing.

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