Trump WH defies Congressional subpoena

othershoe1030 wrote:Here's yet another lawless move on the part of the current administration. When this ends up in court, I wonder what will happen. DJT continues to test the boundaries. It makes me sick. When will he hit a brick wall? What is the end of all this?Who is going to jerk a knot in his tail? The House? The voters? People in the street?


House Oversight and Reform Committee Chairman Elijah Cummings is moving toward a vote to hold former White House personnel security director Carl Kline in contempt after he refused to comply with a subpoena for his appearance before the committee on Tuesday.

Cummings’ statement came after the White House instructed Kline to not answer questions Tuesday as part of the committee’ investigation into the White House security clearance process. It also sets up what could be the most significant clash between the two branches of government since Democrats took over the House.


“It appears that the president believes that the Constitution does not apply to his White House, that he may order officials at will to violate their legal obligations, and that he may obstruct attempts by Congress to conduct oversight,” Cummings (D-Md.) said.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/23/white-house-security-clearance-investigators-1287313

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PkrBum wrote:What's the legitimate legislative purpose? Suspicion? Feeeeelings? Politican vendetta?

Not good enough.

othershoe1030 wrote:Here's yet another lawless move on the part of the current administration. When this ends up in court, I wonder what will happen. DJT continues to test the boundaries. It makes me sick. When will he hit a brick wall? What is the end of all this?Who is going to jerk a knot in his tail? The House? The voters? People in the street?


House Oversight and Reform Committee Chairman Elijah Cummings is moving toward a vote to hold former White House personnel security director Carl Kline in contempt after he refused to comply with a subpoena for his appearance before the committee on Tuesday.

Cummings’ statement came after the White House instructed Kline to not answer questions Tuesday as part of the committee’ investigation into the White House security clearance process. It also sets up what could be the most significant clash between the two branches of government since Democrats took over the House.


“It appears that the president believes that the Constitution does not apply to his White House, that he may order officials at will to violate their legal obligations, and that he may obstruct attempts by Congress to conduct oversight,” Cummings (D-Md.) said.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/23/white-house-security-clearance-investigators-1287313

Telstar wrote:

gatorfan wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:Here's yet another lawless move on the part of the current administration. When this ends up in court, I wonder what will happen. DJT continues to test the boundaries. It makes me sick. When will he hit a brick wall? What is the end of all this?Who is going to jerk a knot in his tail? The House? The voters? People in the street?


House Oversight and Reform Committee Chairman Elijah Cummings is moving toward a vote to hold former White House personnel security director Carl Kline in contempt after he refused to comply with a subpoena for his appearance before the committee on Tuesday.

Cummings’ statement came after the White House instructed Kline to not answer questions Tuesday as part of the committee’ investigation into the White House security clearance process. It also sets up what could be the most significant clash between the two branches of government since Democrats took over the House.


“It appears that the president believes that the Constitution does not apply to his White House, that he may order officials at will to violate their legal obligations, and that he may obstruct attempts by Congress to conduct oversight,” Cummings (D-Md.) said.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/23/white-house-security-clearance-investigators-1287313

Just out of idle curiosity were you upset with the Obama administration when they refused congressional subpoenas over Fast and Furious, claiming Executive Privilege or Deputy IG Kendall refusal to comply with Congressional demands?  Remember those? There are others as well but you get the idea. How is this different other than the leftist political agenda and short memory spans?

polecat wrote:According to Cohen

RealLindaL wrote:Liberal talking heads tonight theorized that Trump's latest blocking moves leave the Dems with no choice but to impeach.   But here's the question:  Is that Trump's stupidity at work, or is it instead the craftiness of his advisors, believing impeachment will backfire, ensuring a 2020 win for Trump?  

High stakes gamesmanship, folks.   Hard to know what to think.

PkrBum wrote:

polecat wrote:According to Cohen

He's not a credible source. He even lied in his latest testimony. Not to mention he's actually going to prison for lying. Would that be "good enough" in a neutral situation without you being emotionally invested? Be honest.

bigdog wrote:

PkrBum wrote:

polecat wrote:According to Cohen

He's not a credible source. He even lied in his latest testimony. Not to mention he's actually going to prison for lying. Would that be "good enough" in a neutral situation without you being emotionally invested? Be honest.

OMG, Michael Cohen and many, many other people testified to Trump's crimes. You are out of your depth trying to claim every single witness lied to the Mueller commission.

RealLindaL wrote:Liberal talking heads tonight theorized that Trump's latest blocking moves leave the Dems with no choice but to impeach.   But here's the question:  Is that Trump's stupidity at work, or is it instead the craftiness of his advisors, believing impeachment will backfire, ensuring a 2020 win for Trump?  

High stakes gamesmanship, folks.   Hard to know what to think.